Anyone watching E3? PS4 vs. Xbox One
Anyone watch E3 yesterday, or will be watching it this week?
Sony's presentation was amazing. Their attack on Microsoft was quite brilliant. Though I will admit Microsoft did have a few cool things.
Personally, I'll be going for the PS4. It looks so much more amazing to me.
What do you guys think?
Sony's presentation was amazing. Their attack on Microsoft was quite brilliant. Though I will admit Microsoft did have a few cool things.
Personally, I'll be going for the PS4. It looks so much more amazing to me.
What do you guys think?
Sony's certainly doing a better job of marketing it. I hate DRM with a passion. Also the name, the name!
None of it affects me personally, though. I'll be sticking to PC gaming rather than overpriced and underpowered consoles.
None of it affects me personally, though. I'll be sticking to PC gaming rather than overpriced and underpowered consoles.
I have an xbox 360, and I really like it as a gaming system. Xbox One is meant to be an all-in-one entertainment system, and while I don't condone the route they've decided to go down, I do dislike how they've done it.
PS4 has stayed true to a gaming system, and does look pretty good. Though I have no need for a brand new system. Likely I'll get a PS3 instead because of its backwards compatibility.
I'd also rather get lots of cheaper old games than newer expensive ones and I expect when the newer consoles come out, PS3 and Xbox360 games will drop quite a bit.
PS4 has stayed true to a gaming system, and does look pretty good. Though I have no need for a brand new system. Likely I'll get a PS3 instead because of its backwards compatibility.
I'd also rather get lots of cheaper old games than newer expensive ones and I expect when the newer consoles come out, PS3 and Xbox360 games will drop quite a bit.
I thought PS4 was gonna be the suckiest gaming console to see the light of day.
Then came XBox One.
Then came XBox One.
The Xbox One doesn't look amazing at all. And for all that it's still priced at 100 dollars/euros/pounds more than the PS4. I'm going to go with PS4 for sure.
I don't hate the Xbox One at all. I just hate Microsoft's policies and how they're handling used games, always online with check ins, etc. The price difference really comes from the forced requirement of the Kinect 2, otherwise both consoles would be the same price.
Also, the PS4 will become backwards compatible with the Gaikai cloud thing they're introducing in 2014. It'll probably cost a fee per game, but it'd be better than never playing PS3 games on the PS4. And since I've never owned a PS3, I'll be able to play those games for the first time.
Still, I enjoyed watching Sony beat the crap out of Microsoft. Definitely want to get a PS4.
Also, the PS4 will become backwards compatible with the Gaikai cloud thing they're introducing in 2014. It'll probably cost a fee per game, but it'd be better than never playing PS3 games on the PS4. And since I've never owned a PS3, I'll be able to play those games for the first time.
Still, I enjoyed watching Sony beat the crap out of Microsoft. Definitely want to get a PS4.
Xbox One does look amazing. The games looked amazing. The infrastructure has been amazing for years. Kinect 2 is, um, better than Kinect. Besides, it doesn't have that goddang dualshock!
The issues with it are DRM and pricepoint. Take away one of those and the decision between the two becomes a whole lot more difficult.
The issues with it are DRM and pricepoint. Take away one of those and the decision between the two becomes a whole lot more difficult.
Yeah, the Xbox One games looked amazing. It made my decision that much more difficult. The extra $100 for the Kinect 2 isn't that big of a problem.
The deal breaker is the DRM, and they're shunning Indie developers. Sony is handling it so much better.
The deal breaker is the DRM, and they're shunning Indie developers. Sony is handling it so much better.
Wow, you guys are actually complimenting XBox One?! You're the first ones I've seen do so. Most people have had much different opinions.
Yeah, the indie stuff was hilarious.
WE'RE SUPPORTING INDIE GAMES. GUESS WHAT AWESOME NEW INDIE GAME WE HAVE TO SHOW TODAY? HAVE YOU HEARD OF MINECRAFT?!?
Uh, yeah. We all have. You idiots.
WE'RE SUPPORTING INDIE GAMES. GUESS WHAT AWESOME NEW INDIE GAME WE HAVE TO SHOW TODAY? HAVE YOU HEARD OF MINECRAFT?!?
Uh, yeah. We all have. You idiots.
Skull, you know as well as I do that most people are idiots.
Xbox One is a fantastic bit of kit. It's just not the fantastic bit of kit most of the internet was hoping for. Basically Microsoft have made 2 or 3 really key decisions that eeeveryone hates. Other than those, it looks amazing.
EDIT: And the trading thing isn't entirely accurate either, but that's a fairly complex issue.
Xbox One is a fantastic bit of kit. It's just not the fantastic bit of kit most of the internet was hoping for. Basically Microsoft have made 2 or 3 really key decisions that eeeveryone hates. Other than those, it looks amazing.
EDIT: And the trading thing isn't entirely accurate either, but that's a fairly complex issue.
Wow, that's harsh. You're saying those who don't agree with you about this particular thing (95% of people), are all idiots? Most people are saying XBox One is total crap. I happen to think so too, judging from what I've heard. I don't see anything positive about it. Some people who're hating on XBox One, give it the benefit of a few games they claim are good. Sad thing is, those few games they think are good, are total crap in my eyes. So it doesn't even get that praise from me.
Don't count on too many games supporting Kinect in any real fashion. 95% of the games will be dualplatform and as such won't have core gameplay features using Kinect.
Furthermore, I don't play shooters on consoles, so for me the Xbox doesn't have the exclusive games to lure me in. And don't get me started on the whole TV this, TV that talk. That is ONLY for the US as far as I know. Who releases a console with countryspecific features?
In any case, it doesn't matter, next yeat when the Rift Oculus launches consoles will die out.
Furthermore, I don't play shooters on consoles, so for me the Xbox doesn't have the exclusive games to lure me in. And don't get me started on the whole TV this, TV that talk. That is ONLY for the US as far as I know. Who releases a console with countryspecific features?
In any case, it doesn't matter, next yeat when the Rift Oculus launches consoles will die out.
People who say the Xbox One is crap most likely didn't actually watch the E3 conferences and are either relying on the reveal info from like a month ago which was mostly crap, or are only hearing about the negatives from both that and E3, which is what people like to focus on.
The Xbox One will be getting some pretty cool games. I loved the Forza 5 reveal, it looked freakin amazing to me, and a few other games looked really sweet as well. The whole TV/multimedia whatever is cool, but it doesn't appeal to as many people as Microsoft thinks it does. Gamers want consoles primarily for gaming. The TV/music stuff should be a bonus, not a focus of the console. The PS4 is all about games, which is what most people want.
The console has its strengths, but it has major flaws that people just love to focus on. The PS4 isn't perfect either, it requires PSN for online now, which is slightly cheaper than Xbox Live Gold, but infinitely better.
The Xbox One will be getting some pretty cool games. I loved the Forza 5 reveal, it looked freakin amazing to me, and a few other games looked really sweet as well. The whole TV/multimedia whatever is cool, but it doesn't appeal to as many people as Microsoft thinks it does. Gamers want consoles primarily for gaming. The TV/music stuff should be a bonus, not a focus of the console. The PS4 is all about games, which is what most people want.
The console has its strengths, but it has major flaws that people just love to focus on. The PS4 isn't perfect either, it requires PSN for online now, which is slightly cheaper than Xbox Live Gold, but infinitely better.
No, Skull. I'm saying that most people are idiots because most people are idiots. This is the same for most topics, because most people aren't informed and have opinions based on PR, spin, and what their friends think. That's the world, sadly. My point is that saying "most people think xxx" is rarely a good starting point. Calling them idiots is harsh, yes, but it saves on the word count.
There are big problems with Xbox One. It's going to struggle unless Microsoft change some things, there's little doubt about that. But that's not to say it isn't an amazing bit of kit, which it is. The issue being that it's doing what Microsoft always intended it to do - To become the hub your living room entertainment revolves around. Most people don't want that. They want another pure gaming machine, which isn't what the Xbox One is. What Xbox One is trying to achieve? That integration and interface? That is the future starting to take shape.
It's ludicrous. People are saying "omg it's crap" when, really, what have they actually seen or experienced? Have we played any of the games? Have we tested Kinect 2? Have we even got the final specs confirmed? No. No. And no. This final point is likely to change very soon, of course.
We live in a world of kneejerk reactions and it's all a bit silly. We can't come close to fairly judging these consoles for a long time yet. So I'd prefer to be positive, say that they're both amazing (despite the issues, they'll both play magnificent games and have fantastic online integration).
There are big problems with Xbox One. It's going to struggle unless Microsoft change some things, there's little doubt about that. But that's not to say it isn't an amazing bit of kit, which it is. The issue being that it's doing what Microsoft always intended it to do - To become the hub your living room entertainment revolves around. Most people don't want that. They want another pure gaming machine, which isn't what the Xbox One is. What Xbox One is trying to achieve? That integration and interface? That is the future starting to take shape.
It's ludicrous. People are saying "omg it's crap" when, really, what have they actually seen or experienced? Have we played any of the games? Have we tested Kinect 2? Have we even got the final specs confirmed? No. No. And no. This final point is likely to change very soon, of course.
We live in a world of kneejerk reactions and it's all a bit silly. We can't come close to fairly judging these consoles for a long time yet. So I'd prefer to be positive, say that they're both amazing (despite the issues, they'll both play magnificent games and have fantastic online integration).
In any case, it doesn't matter, next yeat when the Rift Oculus launches consoles will die out.
Just googled that up... Sounds interesting, but I'm way too much of a pessimist to believe such a product will be anything more than a giant flop.
Just googled that up... Sounds interesting, but I'm way too much of a pessimist to believe such a product will be anything more than a giant flop.
Oculus Rift is really interesting, but it's not going to even come close to making the smallest of marks on the console market.
No, despite what you claim, you're saying people are idiots because they don't agree with you. If the roles of the consoles were reversed, I very much doubt you'd be saying what you are, about people, right now. You are saying the only reason people are talking crap about the XBox, is because other people are. Well, OF COURSE! That's how information spreads, silly. From people to people.
Your fanboyism of the XBox is blinding you from solid facts. There is nothing amazing about the XBox. The fact that it hasn't sparked any interest in most people, and has actually made people more interested in the PS4, shows that it can't be doing too much right. I don't see anything interest-sparking in PS4 either, at the moment. But any sane person should see that the PS4 is ten times better than XBox One.
Oh, and don't say I only support PS4 over XBox One, "just because". I would have never had this conversation with the PS3 and XBox 360, because the rivalry with those two was absolutely ridiculous. But when the difference is like night & day with these two new consoles, I can't help but take a side.
Your fanboyism of the XBox is blinding you from solid facts. There is nothing amazing about the XBox. The fact that it hasn't sparked any interest in most people, and has actually made people more interested in the PS4, shows that it can't be doing too much right. I don't see anything interest-sparking in PS4 either, at the moment. But any sane person should see that the PS4 is ten times better than XBox One.
Oh, and don't say I only support PS4 over XBox One, "just because". I would have never had this conversation with the PS3 and XBox 360, because the rivalry with those two was absolutely ridiculous. But when the difference is like night & day with these two new consoles, I can't help but take a side.
Yes, Skull, I'm obviously a fanboy and that's the only possible explanation for my opinion on Xbox One.
Good argument.
Most ridiculous straw man argument I've seen in a while. I actually said that the PS4 looks amazing. I think both consoles look fantastic. I haven't even expressed a preference either way. You're the one saying you "can't help but take a side" not me.
Good argument.
Most ridiculous straw man argument I've seen in a while. I actually said that the PS4 looks amazing. I think both consoles look fantastic. I haven't even expressed a preference either way. You're the one saying you "can't help but take a side" not me.
I never said I hadn't picked a side. I never said you had. All I'm saying is that your fanboyism of the XBox blinds you from seeing that it's not as awesome as you seem to think. I never said you can't be a PS4 fan, at the same time, too. Though judging by the way you're defending the XBox One, it does make it seem like you're leaning more towards that console (not claiming that as a fact).
If I did say you have picked a side, I'd say it shows most when you call people who state facts, idiots. They're telling the truth about a freaking video game console. If they say the console really doesn't work for them because of certain things, does that make them idiots? According to you, yes (even though you claim this reason of calling them 'idiots' comes from an entirely different source, but I highly doubt it does).
The fact that you also say "Both look awesome", when the PS4 has clearly proven to be the better gaming console, makes it seem like you are picking XBox's side, and does make you seem like a blind fanboy.
If I did say you have picked a side, I'd say it shows most when you call people who state facts, idiots. They're telling the truth about a freaking video game console. If they say the console really doesn't work for them because of certain things, does that make them idiots? According to you, yes (even though you claim this reason of calling them 'idiots' comes from an entirely different source, but I highly doubt it does).
The fact that you also say "Both look awesome", when the PS4 has clearly proven to be the better gaming console, makes it seem like you are picking XBox's side, and does make you seem like a blind fanboy.
Being a fanboy has nothing to do with it. I would be considered one too because I love my 360 and do not own a PS3. But that doesn't stop us from seeing all perspectives of the consoles. Both consoles have their good sides, be it amazing graphics or awesome new IPs, but both have their flaws as well. Xbox One is generally agreed to be the more flawed console. But whether the PS4 is better or the Xbox One is better is a matter of opinion. People will argue either side, and they'd all have valid points. Your argument is a statement of your personal opinion on which is better.
But few will dispute that the PS4 is the better console. Microsoft lost me on this one.
But few will dispute that the PS4 is the better console. Microsoft lost me on this one.
My "personal opinion" seems to be shared pretty much by the entire planet, so there you go. 
That's because there is very strong evidence that Microsoft screwed up big time. And Sony played their cards perfectly, attacking Microsoft, making themselves look even better. The required PSN for PS4 is nothing compared to Microsoft's mistakes.
There you go. Now you're even admitting it yourself. XBox One is screwed up. As for this "required PSN", I don't know what you're talking about. As far as I know, PSN isn't required for PS4. XBox One, on the other hand, can't even be properly played offline.
Honestly, the fact that I'm siding with the more popular belief should be proof enough that XBox One is a total mess. Everybody knows I just don't roll like that.
Honestly, the fact that I'm siding with the more popular belief should be proof enough that XBox One is a total mess. Everybody knows I just don't roll like that.
Sony announced that PSN will be required for online gaming on the PS4. It kinda sucks, but PSN is so awesome compared to Xbox Gold. You get free games, lots of good stuff.
I look forward to owning my first ever Sony console come November.
I look forward to owning my first ever Sony console come November.
Well, I don't know how accurate the information on PS4's Wikipedia page is, but over there it says PSN isn't required, but it makes the experience richer. All it says about PS4 requiring anything, is that online multiplayer access requires subscription to PlayStation Plus. Meh, I'm not much into the online stuff anyway, so those things really don't matter if you ask me. Even if I was, I'd still be more willing to pay a small price like that, instead of going through all the crap that XBox One seems to be. In fact, I wouldn't touch XBox one if I was paid.
Anyway, so far neither console has really impressed me all that much. If they don't improve from this, they need to have some REALLY good games to make me buy either one.
Anyway, so far neither console has really impressed me all that much. If they don't improve from this, they need to have some REALLY good games to make me buy either one.
By the requirement of PSN I think I meant for online multiplayer, not online in general. I watched an interview with the head of Sony and he talked about it, but I don't remember his exact words.
There were a lot of games I was very interested in. Destiny, for one, looked incredible. It's like Borderlands + Mass Effect + MMO. It's available on both consoles though, not exclusive to PS4. And they definitely made Battlefield 4 way better than 3, and not just a CoD clone
For exclusives, Infamous Second Son looked really cool, definitely something I want to check out. The Order: 1886 looked very cool, I love olden times London. Killzone looked like a Crysis type game, and I love the Crysis games.
I wouldn't mind playing an Xbox One, I'm just never going to buy one.
Sony definitely won me on exclusives and Indie games, there were a lot more I was very interested in. I'm very excited for this next gen of console gaming
There were a lot of games I was very interested in. Destiny, for one, looked incredible. It's like Borderlands + Mass Effect + MMO. It's available on both consoles though, not exclusive to PS4. And they definitely made Battlefield 4 way better than 3, and not just a CoD clone
For exclusives, Infamous Second Son looked really cool, definitely something I want to check out. The Order: 1886 looked very cool, I love olden times London. Killzone looked like a Crysis type game, and I love the Crysis games.
I wouldn't mind playing an Xbox One, I'm just never going to buy one.
Sony definitely won me on exclusives and Indie games, there were a lot more I was very interested in. I'm very excited for this next gen of console gaming
Not quite sure why I'm bothering, but let's indulge you on this one, Skull.
I never said I hadn't picked a side. I never said you had. All I'm saying is that your fanboyism of the XBox blinds you from seeing that it's not as awesome as you seem to think.
So, I haven't picked a side, yet I'm an Xbox fanboy? That's a weird start, but ok.
I never said you can't be a PS4 fan, at the same time, too. Though judging by the way you're defending the XBox One, it does make it seem like you're leaning more towards that console (not claiming that as a fact).
Not it doesn't. Not claiming it as fact is sensible, because it's a silly notion. I can be a fan of both consoles. Why not? People can like multiple devices equally. Just because I'm talking about one, that in no way reflects my opinion of another. To think so is... fanboyish?
If I did say you have picked a side, I'd say it shows most when you call people who state facts, idiots.
Strawman again. You're misappropriating my words. People stating facts aren't idiots. That would be foolish of me to say. I'm saying that a lot of the naysayers think they know the facts, but don't, because they only listen to PR and what their friends have said. Therefore people often don't see the whole picture. Nothing wrong with stating facts.
If they say the console really doesn't work for them because of certain things, does that make them idiots? According to you, yes (even though you claim this reason of calling them 'idiots' comes from an entirely different source, but I highly doubt it does).
Again, not true, and you're completely ignoring what I said and making it up now. Do I think saying "That console isn't good for my needs I don't want it." makes you an idiot? No, of course not! Do I think people saying "Argh, that console is ducking rubbish it's nowhere near as good as this other console!" are idiots? Perhaps that's closer to the mark.
Neither console has even been released yet. There's a big difference between "not suitable for me and I don't want it" and "it's awful and shoot and wow microsoft go duck yourselves." For example, I know a guy for who the XBox One is far better than the PS4 for his particular circumstance, due to the account sharing stuff. It'll save him a lot of money. In his situation, it's great. For someone living out in the sticks without a good internet connection? It's not suitable.
The fact that you also say "Both look awesome", when the PS4 has clearly proven to be the better gaming console, makes it seem like you are picking XBox's side, and does make you seem like a blind fanboy.
Clearly proven? Really? It's far too early for such a judgement. It's got better core specs, true, but that doesn't transfer to being a better gaming console. PS3 has huge problems with updating games when compared to the 360. Have Sony fixed their infrastructure in this area? I hope so, because they've got almost everything else spot on so far.
I think both consoles look superb and I think they represent good options for different markets. PS4 looks like the best bet for games at the moment, particularly with the lower price point. Xbox One offers a whole lot of stuff in other areas as well as games, though a lot of this is, as Kyle said, not really fitted well for our region.
What's best? Neither. It depends what is good for the individual.
I never said I hadn't picked a side. I never said you had. All I'm saying is that your fanboyism of the XBox blinds you from seeing that it's not as awesome as you seem to think.
So, I haven't picked a side, yet I'm an Xbox fanboy? That's a weird start, but ok.
I never said you can't be a PS4 fan, at the same time, too. Though judging by the way you're defending the XBox One, it does make it seem like you're leaning more towards that console (not claiming that as a fact).
Not it doesn't. Not claiming it as fact is sensible, because it's a silly notion. I can be a fan of both consoles. Why not? People can like multiple devices equally. Just because I'm talking about one, that in no way reflects my opinion of another. To think so is... fanboyish?
If I did say you have picked a side, I'd say it shows most when you call people who state facts, idiots.
Strawman again. You're misappropriating my words. People stating facts aren't idiots. That would be foolish of me to say. I'm saying that a lot of the naysayers think they know the facts, but don't, because they only listen to PR and what their friends have said. Therefore people often don't see the whole picture. Nothing wrong with stating facts.
If they say the console really doesn't work for them because of certain things, does that make them idiots? According to you, yes (even though you claim this reason of calling them 'idiots' comes from an entirely different source, but I highly doubt it does).
Again, not true, and you're completely ignoring what I said and making it up now. Do I think saying "That console isn't good for my needs I don't want it." makes you an idiot? No, of course not! Do I think people saying "Argh, that console is ducking rubbish it's nowhere near as good as this other console!" are idiots? Perhaps that's closer to the mark.
Neither console has even been released yet. There's a big difference between "not suitable for me and I don't want it" and "it's awful and shoot and wow microsoft go duck yourselves." For example, I know a guy for who the XBox One is far better than the PS4 for his particular circumstance, due to the account sharing stuff. It'll save him a lot of money. In his situation, it's great. For someone living out in the sticks without a good internet connection? It's not suitable.
The fact that you also say "Both look awesome", when the PS4 has clearly proven to be the better gaming console, makes it seem like you are picking XBox's side, and does make you seem like a blind fanboy.
Clearly proven? Really? It's far too early for such a judgement. It's got better core specs, true, but that doesn't transfer to being a better gaming console. PS3 has huge problems with updating games when compared to the 360. Have Sony fixed their infrastructure in this area? I hope so, because they've got almost everything else spot on so far.
I think both consoles look superb and I think they represent good options for different markets. PS4 looks like the best bet for games at the moment, particularly with the lower price point. Xbox One offers a whole lot of stuff in other areas as well as games, though a lot of this is, as Kyle said, not really fitted well for our region.
What's best? Neither. It depends what is good for the individual.
I want both and an Uber PC. 
But I am poor.
But I am poor.
XBox One has already proven to be utter garbage. I really wouldn't want to have a conversation with one of those people who'll defend a gaming console to his death, but since I respect you...
So, I haven't picked a side, yet I'm an Xbox fanboy? That's a weird start, but ok.
Not weird at all. A person can be both a Star Wars and a Star Trek fanboy, without picking a side.
Not it doesn't. Not claiming it as fact is sensible, because it's a silly notion. I can be a fan of both consoles. Why not? People can like multiple devices equally. Just because I'm talking about one, that in no way reflects my opinion of another. To think so is... fanboyish?
Saying "No it doesn't" is rather silly, because it does to me, and I'd assume a lot of other people too. It would probably look like that to you too. The rest what you stated there, is just a repeat of what I said. Except for the final sentence, which I find quite odd, since I never said anything about being a fanboy, in that part of text, which that reply was intended for.
Strawman again. You're misappropriating my words. People stating facts aren't idiots. That would be foolish of me to say. I'm saying that a lot of the naysayers think they know the facts, but don't, because they only listen to PR and what their friends have said. Therefore people often don't see the whole picture. Nothing wrong with stating facts
Is this "strawman" some new word you've learned, and now wish to share with everyone? Reminds me of my friend and "batcave". Besides, it's spelled "straw man". Anyway, despite claiming you aren't calling people who state fact idiots, you are. What you describe there, is how information travels. It's true that some people will say "Hey, XBox One sucks" just because their friend did. But in this case, it's too many people in too little time, and none of the problems I've heard people have with the console, have actually been false information yet.
Again, not true, and you're completely ignoring what I said and making it up now. Do I think saying "That console isn't good for my needs I don't want it." makes you an idiot? No, of course not! Do I think people saying "Argh, that console is ducking rubbish it's nowhere near as good as this other console!" are idiots? Perhaps that's closer to the mark.
I said you claim your reason is another. You're doing it again. It seems you're ignoring what I say. My point is: I have very high doubts you would be calling anyone idiot in the first place, if it was XBox which was on the dominating side of the two consoles. This also partly applies to the whole "you're picking XBox's side" thing. It's just a vibe your messages are sending.
Neither console has even been released yet. There's a big difference between "not suitable for me and I don't want it" and "it's awful and shoot and wow microsoft go duck yourselves." For example, I know a guy for who the XBox One is far better than the PS4 for his particular circumstance, due to the account sharing stuff. It'll save him a lot of money. In his situation, it's great. For someone living out in the sticks without a good internet connection? It's not suitable.
Mmhmmm. Interesting. That seems to apply to my "XBox is for the more snobbier people" -theory. But we'll leave that alone, since it has nothing to do with the entire conversation.
Clearly proven? Really? It's far too early for such a judgement. It's got better core specs, true, but that doesn't transfer to being a better gaming console. PS3 has huge problems with updating games when compared to the 360. Have Sony fixed their infrastructure in this area? I hope so, because they've got almost everything else spot on so far.
Forget all that technological crap. I think a good old statement of "People have spoken" fits here. They've shown XBox is crap and they don't want it. I doubt pretty much the whole World would be saying "PS4 is better and XBox is crap" for absolute no reason at all. And as I said, it's true some people are just saying that for the heck of it, but most of the complaints are well justified and actually looked into.
And as for your final statement about them both looking superb consoles. Well, that's your opinion and I respect it. Personally, I have no interest in either one, as I said. Give me a good old PSX over either one of them any day.
So, I haven't picked a side, yet I'm an Xbox fanboy? That's a weird start, but ok.
Not weird at all. A person can be both a Star Wars and a Star Trek fanboy, without picking a side.
Not it doesn't. Not claiming it as fact is sensible, because it's a silly notion. I can be a fan of both consoles. Why not? People can like multiple devices equally. Just because I'm talking about one, that in no way reflects my opinion of another. To think so is... fanboyish?
Saying "No it doesn't" is rather silly, because it does to me, and I'd assume a lot of other people too. It would probably look like that to you too. The rest what you stated there, is just a repeat of what I said. Except for the final sentence, which I find quite odd, since I never said anything about being a fanboy, in that part of text, which that reply was intended for.
Strawman again. You're misappropriating my words. People stating facts aren't idiots. That would be foolish of me to say. I'm saying that a lot of the naysayers think they know the facts, but don't, because they only listen to PR and what their friends have said. Therefore people often don't see the whole picture. Nothing wrong with stating facts
Is this "strawman" some new word you've learned, and now wish to share with everyone? Reminds me of my friend and "batcave". Besides, it's spelled "straw man". Anyway, despite claiming you aren't calling people who state fact idiots, you are. What you describe there, is how information travels. It's true that some people will say "Hey, XBox One sucks" just because their friend did. But in this case, it's too many people in too little time, and none of the problems I've heard people have with the console, have actually been false information yet.
Again, not true, and you're completely ignoring what I said and making it up now. Do I think saying "That console isn't good for my needs I don't want it." makes you an idiot? No, of course not! Do I think people saying "Argh, that console is ducking rubbish it's nowhere near as good as this other console!" are idiots? Perhaps that's closer to the mark.
I said you claim your reason is another. You're doing it again. It seems you're ignoring what I say. My point is: I have very high doubts you would be calling anyone idiot in the first place, if it was XBox which was on the dominating side of the two consoles. This also partly applies to the whole "you're picking XBox's side" thing. It's just a vibe your messages are sending.
Neither console has even been released yet. There's a big difference between "not suitable for me and I don't want it" and "it's awful and shoot and wow microsoft go duck yourselves." For example, I know a guy for who the XBox One is far better than the PS4 for his particular circumstance, due to the account sharing stuff. It'll save him a lot of money. In his situation, it's great. For someone living out in the sticks without a good internet connection? It's not suitable.
Mmhmmm. Interesting. That seems to apply to my "XBox is for the more snobbier people" -theory. But we'll leave that alone, since it has nothing to do with the entire conversation.
Clearly proven? Really? It's far too early for such a judgement. It's got better core specs, true, but that doesn't transfer to being a better gaming console. PS3 has huge problems with updating games when compared to the 360. Have Sony fixed their infrastructure in this area? I hope so, because they've got almost everything else spot on so far.
Forget all that technological crap. I think a good old statement of "People have spoken" fits here. They've shown XBox is crap and they don't want it. I doubt pretty much the whole World would be saying "PS4 is better and XBox is crap" for absolute no reason at all. And as I said, it's true some people are just saying that for the heck of it, but most of the complaints are well justified and actually looked into.
And as for your final statement about them both looking superb consoles. Well, that's your opinion and I respect it. Personally, I have no interest in either one, as I said. Give me a good old PSX over either one of them any day.
Game consoles are for children. Still might get one of them at launch to resell on eBay for a nice profit.
I pre-ordered my PS4 on Amazon earlier. I don't really want to shell out the cash I'd need for a good gaming PC. A console is much more affordable for me, and just as enjoyable.
Hah, Sabre, you're the first one I've heard actually looking forward to Xbox One so far. Personally I think Microsoft fail at gaming, but at least their new console is hilarious. 
MONITOR EVERYTHING
MONITOR EVERYTHING
I hadn't even heard of either of them until I read the newspaper this morning. Needless to say I'm not going to buy either.
I can't judge the technical merits of either machine, but I definitely hate DRM. DRM is the way in which a legal product can become vastly inferior to a pirated one.
I can't judge the technical merits of either machine, but I definitely hate DRM. DRM is the way in which a legal product can become vastly inferior to a pirated one.
Quiztis: I know a few people, and contrary to what some people would tell you it's got plenty of pre-orders (according to people I know in game retail). It certainly doesn't look as attractive a proposition as the PS4 at the moment, that's for sure, and Microsoft are going to have to make some concessions somewhere or they're going to get slaughtered in the marker. I won't be pre-ordering either, personally.
Skull: Look, you're making this into a rather silly argument. I'm not quite sure why you feel the need to start throwing jibes...
Is this "strawman" some new word you've learned, and now wish to share with everyone? Reminds me of my friend and "batcave". Besides, it's spelled "straw man".
... as I would have thought that was a relatively obvious typo. Nor am I sure why you feel the need to try and belittle me? A new word I've learned? Are you for real? A little less acid in your posts would be nice - I don't think it's a good look when I'm being perfectly reasonable, if contrary to popular opinion.
As for defending a gaming console to the death? I'm not. The Xbox One has plenty of big problems (price & DRM being the big hitters, but there are more) and I've acknowledged that. I'm saying it's idiotic to write it off as trash when it hasn't been released and we still have little idea of how well some of the tech works (which is actually very important and we definitely shouldn't "forget all that technological crap"). If Kinect 2 is as bad as Kinect, Microsoft are in heaps of trouble. If it works well? That's a big draw for a lot of people. Perhaps not many gamers, but Xbox One isn't designed to be a "pure" gaming console anymore anyway. I'm interested in that side of things on a tech level, if nothing else.
A lot of what you've seems to be based on vibes and assumptions about my feelings on the matter, and not what I've actually written. That's not a fair place to come from. I'm not going to take the time to address every single point you've made, because a lot of them are putting words in my mouth or simply aren't thought through. Information travels from person to person, yes, but chinese whispers leads to misinformation and misunderstanding. That was my point.
Anyway, this conversation would be much better turned to an actual discussion about the consoles themselves, rather than "you am fanboi no U am fanboi shudup" blithering. What new games are of interest? Personally, the Mirror's Edge reboot is really interesting. That game was sooo close to being good, but really needed some tweaks. Titan Falls looks like a better FPS than most and The Division looks absolutely beautiful. Pretty disappointed in the indie showing from MS, but Sony have looked promising here.
Oh, and you're right about fanboyism, I think. It's the norm to dislike the "competition" as a fanboy, but it's by no means the defining factor. So, yeah, you could be an Xbox fanboy and still like the other consoles. I agree.
Toasty: Nah, consoles are just for the convenience. A super powerful PC under the tv would be nice though...
Skull: Look, you're making this into a rather silly argument. I'm not quite sure why you feel the need to start throwing jibes...
Is this "strawman" some new word you've learned, and now wish to share with everyone? Reminds me of my friend and "batcave". Besides, it's spelled "straw man".
... as I would have thought that was a relatively obvious typo. Nor am I sure why you feel the need to try and belittle me? A new word I've learned? Are you for real? A little less acid in your posts would be nice - I don't think it's a good look when I'm being perfectly reasonable, if contrary to popular opinion.
As for defending a gaming console to the death? I'm not. The Xbox One has plenty of big problems (price & DRM being the big hitters, but there are more) and I've acknowledged that. I'm saying it's idiotic to write it off as trash when it hasn't been released and we still have little idea of how well some of the tech works (which is actually very important and we definitely shouldn't "forget all that technological crap"). If Kinect 2 is as bad as Kinect, Microsoft are in heaps of trouble. If it works well? That's a big draw for a lot of people. Perhaps not many gamers, but Xbox One isn't designed to be a "pure" gaming console anymore anyway. I'm interested in that side of things on a tech level, if nothing else.
A lot of what you've seems to be based on vibes and assumptions about my feelings on the matter, and not what I've actually written. That's not a fair place to come from. I'm not going to take the time to address every single point you've made, because a lot of them are putting words in my mouth or simply aren't thought through. Information travels from person to person, yes, but chinese whispers leads to misinformation and misunderstanding. That was my point.
Anyway, this conversation would be much better turned to an actual discussion about the consoles themselves, rather than "you am fanboi no U am fanboi shudup" blithering. What new games are of interest? Personally, the Mirror's Edge reboot is really interesting. That game was sooo close to being good, but really needed some tweaks. Titan Falls looks like a better FPS than most and The Division looks absolutely beautiful. Pretty disappointed in the indie showing from MS, but Sony have looked promising here.
Oh, and you're right about fanboyism, I think. It's the norm to dislike the "competition" as a fanboy, but it's by no means the defining factor. So, yeah, you could be an Xbox fanboy and still like the other consoles. I agree.
Toasty: Nah, consoles are just for the convenience. A super powerful PC under the tv would be nice though...
The DRM thing is a disaster for MS.
I can't believe they've gone down this route without confirming Sony would do the same! There are still a lot of questions about the roles of publishers in all this - and what they'll do to restrict used game sales on PS4 - but it doesn't look at all good for MS at the moment.
The thing is, Steam is amazing and has DRM to the hilt. If you're going to go down that route, it's fine, but you need to bring prices right down. Will MS do that? Doubtful.
EDIT: Too many rumours abound that suggest PS4 isn't going to be as DRM free as we would hope and they want us to think. If it drives down prices, I'm fine with it. If not? Ugh.
I can't believe they've gone down this route without confirming Sony would do the same! There are still a lot of questions about the roles of publishers in all this - and what they'll do to restrict used game sales on PS4 - but it doesn't look at all good for MS at the moment.
The thing is, Steam is amazing and has DRM to the hilt. If you're going to go down that route, it's fine, but you need to bring prices right down. Will MS do that? Doubtful.
EDIT: Too many rumours abound that suggest PS4 isn't going to be as DRM free as we would hope and they want us to think. If it drives down prices, I'm fine with it. If not? Ugh.
I don't really like steam. It slows down my computer when starting up and for me only serves as some program I'm obliged to use to play some games.
Things may be different if you play a lot of multiplayer games or play games on a lot of different computers, but for me it's mostly bloatware. The only reason I don't hate it is because many of the alternatives are even worse.
Things may be different if you play a lot of multiplayer games or play games on a lot of different computers, but for me it's mostly bloatware. The only reason I don't hate it is because many of the alternatives are even worse.
I understand that, for sure. I don't really use Steam all that much.
Hell, I don't even play games that much!
Hell, I don't even play games that much!
Hehe, one of Microsofts statements at E3 (at least I think it was). It went something like this:
"We have a product for people who do not have access to any kind of connection: it is called the Xbox 360."
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"We have a product for people who do not have access to any kind of connection: it is called the Xbox 360."
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Yup, their PR is awful. So many people have said so many stupid things.
"Don't have a good internet connection? Xbox One isn't for you. #dealwithit" etc.
"Don't have a good internet connection? Xbox One isn't for you. #dealwithit" etc.
Wii U conference was pretty dire, I must say.
They've got a few great looking games coming out, but we knew about them already. What with the new consoles, they really needed something outstanding to get some attention. What did they have? A new Donkey Kong. Meh.
They've got a few great looking games coming out, but we knew about them already. What with the new consoles, they really needed something outstanding to get some attention. What did they have? A new Donkey Kong. Meh.
Yeah, haven't bought the WiiU myself. The only thing that really sores my eyeballs when it gets down to that console is that annoying-ass controller, jesus dat bulkiness.
But I must buy one when the next SUPEERRRR SMASH BROTHERSSSS!! comes out with Mega Man and all. Luckily you can play it without the controller.
But I must buy one when the next SUPEERRRR SMASH BROTHERSSSS!! comes out with Mega Man and all. Luckily you can play it without the controller.
Sorry, but when you suddenly keep saying the word "straw man", it just seems silly. Kinda reminds me of when DinkDoodler started saying "darling", all the time.
The rest of your post is basically just saying "You said we should do it like this. I think we shouldn't". I have most of humanity on my side with what I say. You're the first, and pretty much the only person so far, who I've seen be interested in XBox One.
Back to my original point; I think you just have trouble accepting how awful the XBox One seems to be. It's true neither console has been released yet. And that is the exact reason why people are not judging the consoles, but are judging how the consoles are looking so far.
The rest of your post is basically just saying "You said we should do it like this. I think we shouldn't". I have most of humanity on my side with what I say. You're the first, and pretty much the only person so far, who I've seen be interested in XBox One.
Back to my original point; I think you just have trouble accepting how awful the XBox One seems to be. It's true neither console has been released yet. And that is the exact reason why people are not judging the consoles, but are judging how the consoles are looking so far.
I said straw man twice. It was the most suitable phrase for the situation. If you think it's reasonable to pick at things like that rather than addressing the point I'm making, that's your call. I'd prefer to keep jibes out of it and discuss the subject at hand.
Again, you're saying "the rest of your post if basically just saying" and then incorrectly summing up my thoughts.
I think the Xbox One looks amazing. I think it has some big issues, which I've mentioned. I'm not out of kilter with the rest of the world. I can fully appreciate the problems with Xbox One as they appear right now, but that's not to say it hasn't got an awful lot going for it too. Indeed, a look at pre-order stats suggest it's doing better than the 360 was before release, and is still ahead, even now, of the PS4 on some marketplaces.
Maybe it's not just ol' Sabre that thinks it looks good, eh? Maybe, actually, the tidal waves of bad feeling on the internet don't actually accurately represent the general populace? Time will tell, but it seems evident to me that both consoles are very much in demand.
Unless we see some kind of change from Microsoft, PS4 is going to blow it out of the water sales wise (assuming they can get enough units out), but that's not to say Xbox One isn't also going to sell plenty.
AND BE AS AWESOME AS A THOUSAND SUNS.
Again, you're saying "the rest of your post if basically just saying" and then incorrectly summing up my thoughts.
I think the Xbox One looks amazing. I think it has some big issues, which I've mentioned. I'm not out of kilter with the rest of the world. I can fully appreciate the problems with Xbox One as they appear right now, but that's not to say it hasn't got an awful lot going for it too. Indeed, a look at pre-order stats suggest it's doing better than the 360 was before release, and is still ahead, even now, of the PS4 on some marketplaces.
Maybe it's not just ol' Sabre that thinks it looks good, eh? Maybe, actually, the tidal waves of bad feeling on the internet don't actually accurately represent the general populace? Time will tell, but it seems evident to me that both consoles are very much in demand.
Unless we see some kind of change from Microsoft, PS4 is going to blow it out of the water sales wise (assuming they can get enough units out), but that's not to say Xbox One isn't also going to sell plenty.
AND BE AS AWESOME AS A THOUSAND SUNS.
I do love you Skull, despite your argumentative ways. I think you've had too many arguments with Skorn et al. We can disagree and still be nice to each other, y'know! <3
We are like a big family that like to nag on each other from time to time.
I like the Xbox One as well. I just don't like it enough to get one. I want a console primarily for gaming, which Xbox One is not. I've already said the extra $100 isn't much of an issue, because that's mostly for the new Kinect. I saw a game demo using the new Kinect and it looked like it worked a hell of a lot better. But because I want a console for gaming, the PS4 is a much better deal, and why I now have one pre-ordered.
Each console appeals to a different market, which honestly I think is another mistake on Microsoft's part. They really need to appeal to gamers, not multimedia users who are gamers on the side. Sony is doing the exact opposite, which is why the PS4 will be more successful.
Each console appeals to a different market, which honestly I think is another mistake on Microsoft's part. They really need to appeal to gamers, not multimedia users who are gamers on the side. Sony is doing the exact opposite, which is why the PS4 will be more successful.
Since when has XBox ever been in popular demand? When I go to a store looking for a game, the PlayStation shelves are always missing the biggest games, while the XBox shelves are full.
I wonder why.
EDIT: Also, how was I ever not nice to you, in this conversation? You're the one calling people idiots.
I wonder why.
EDIT: Also, how was I ever not nice to you, in this conversation? You're the one calling people idiots.
Uh... I might be dumb, but I thought the Xbox one and PS 4 hadn't been released yet? How can you say anything meaningful about the number of games on shelves for platforms that haven't been released yet?
If on the other hand you are referring to games for the current generation of consoles: Just because the PS 3 and Xbox 360 have a certain popularity doesn't mean that their successors will be equally popular.
Wikipedia claims that both the PS 3 and Xbox 360 consoles have sold about the same number of units. I find that a little more reliable than the number of games on the shelves of a couple of shops to be honest.
Lastly, full shelves don't necessarily mean low demand. It could also signal a good distribution network or that Xbox games are bought online more often. From what I know Xbox Live is more popular than the Playstation network.
If on the other hand you are referring to games for the current generation of consoles: Just because the PS 3 and Xbox 360 have a certain popularity doesn't mean that their successors will be equally popular.
Wikipedia claims that both the PS 3 and Xbox 360 consoles have sold about the same number of units. I find that a little more reliable than the number of games on the shelves of a couple of shops to be honest.
Lastly, full shelves don't necessarily mean low demand. It could also signal a good distribution network or that Xbox games are bought online more often. From what I know Xbox Live is more popular than the Playstation network.
I was indeed referring to the current generation. And I was also mostly joking. Obviously I know the number of games on store shelves don't necessarily indicate how well the games are selling. But it is true, that at least here in Finland, XBox has never been in popular demand. Come to think of it, I don't even know anyone who ever has owned an XBox. Even people past their 50s are calling it crap.
Also, ROFL!
Also, ROFL!
I don't think Xbox Live is more popular. I mean, because the PS3 had such a rocky launch more people got the 360 in the first couple years, so more people played that for online gaming. But Xbox Live is definitely not better than PSN. PSN gives you free games (something XBL is starting to do, and only until the end of this year,) access to a lot of older Playstation games, and many other cool features. And PSN is $10 cheaper than XBL, and PSN isn't even required to use things like Netflix and Youtube apps. The more I'm exposed to both sides, the more I see Xbox as crap. I don't regret getting my 360 in any way, but once this next gen hits, I'll almost never use it again.
I share the belief that the XBox One is not a particularly appealing console. I will admit that MS is taking a risk that could pay out in the long run, by expanding the XBox's marketed audience. The problem? They already have PC/Windows which does everything they are trying to make XBox do...It's like they are trying to compete with themselves or something. For me though, it will be PS4 all the way (for the record, I also went for the PS3 over the XBox 360 or even XBox original (I can't call it 1 now! STUPID NAME))
There are some games in this next generation I'm really looking forward to. For the Wii U There is the Smash Bro's game of course, seeing that I love Brawl and Melee and the original. The new Donkey Kong game and Super Mario 3D World looks neat too, with the latter implementing 4-player multiplayer in a fully 3d environment, and including Peach as playable character for the first time in a main game since Super Mario Bros. 2 (including the gliding, hell yeah)! Not to mention Monolith Soft is making a new RPG (the people who made Xenoblade on the Wii). On Playstation 4 I'm really looking forward to Final Fantasy XV (formerly Versus XIII) and to a lesser extent Kingdom Hearts 3. Watch Dogs and Beyond: Two Souls don't look bad either. There are probably some other games I've missed too, so I'm kind of looking forward to next generation from a games perspective. Especially FF XV, which just looks like everything I've wanted from a Final Fantasy game since FF9.
From a console perspective I kind of agree with Skull in that neither one seems like as much of a jump as we've seen from previous consoles. But with graphics getting so close to as fine as our eyes can see, and sound quality increasing to where our ears can hardly percieve the difference, I didn't really expect a huge jump in the gaming experience. If anything, I think the changes in coding and how difficult games are to make are the biggest breakthroughs being made now. The main reason I will have to get a newer console will simply be to play some of the great new games that are hopefully being released.
Edit: Can't wait to see what all the other new characters will be in the next Smash Bros. game! Megaman was an awesome choice although I wonder if he might be a bit overpowered.
There are some games in this next generation I'm really looking forward to. For the Wii U There is the Smash Bro's game of course, seeing that I love Brawl and Melee and the original. The new Donkey Kong game and Super Mario 3D World looks neat too, with the latter implementing 4-player multiplayer in a fully 3d environment, and including Peach as playable character for the first time in a main game since Super Mario Bros. 2 (including the gliding, hell yeah)! Not to mention Monolith Soft is making a new RPG (the people who made Xenoblade on the Wii). On Playstation 4 I'm really looking forward to Final Fantasy XV (formerly Versus XIII) and to a lesser extent Kingdom Hearts 3. Watch Dogs and Beyond: Two Souls don't look bad either. There are probably some other games I've missed too, so I'm kind of looking forward to next generation from a games perspective. Especially FF XV, which just looks like everything I've wanted from a Final Fantasy game since FF9.
From a console perspective I kind of agree with Skull in that neither one seems like as much of a jump as we've seen from previous consoles. But with graphics getting so close to as fine as our eyes can see, and sound quality increasing to where our ears can hardly percieve the difference, I didn't really expect a huge jump in the gaming experience. If anything, I think the changes in coding and how difficult games are to make are the biggest breakthroughs being made now. The main reason I will have to get a newer console will simply be to play some of the great new games that are hopefully being released.
Edit: Can't wait to see what all the other new characters will be in the next Smash Bros. game! Megaman was an awesome choice although I wonder if he might be a bit overpowered.
I hate DRM with a passion
So do I It needs to die there is no advantage to have it.
So do I It needs to die there is no advantage to have it.
