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Bush is dumb!

November 12th 2003, 10:51 AM
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Dukie
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Just to say something.
He knows very little about the world outside of the U.S and never got that high scores in school either. So how did he get to be president? I guess the smart people were in Bush's campaign staff. And people seemed to like the "common man" aspect that is omnipresent in Bush.
Now, I shouldn't really care about that but what bothers me is that Bush also discards things like the Kyoto agreement. And that's bad for the whole world. So no Bush in 04, aight?

So, the point again: Bush really is dumb
If you don't agree, just say so!

Note: The last link is the most informative one. And don't be mad now desertgrl, I know you like him!

Note2: I don't have anything against Bush, he may be a nice person. I just don't want him to be president of such a powerful nation.
November 12th 2003, 12:27 PM
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safmoor
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If you take his stupidity aside(which is plenty), you'll realize how inconsistent he is with his policies when he was elected and then after 9/11.
November 12th 2003, 01:51 PM
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Drake
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Oh, and look at Haliburton, Cheney's company. From the book lies:
"Haliburton had recieved $3.8 billion in government contracts and taxpayer insured loans." and, "Haliburton di quite a lot of business with countries like Iran and Iraq.Federal law prohibits U.S. companies from doingbussiness with these two stae sponsors of terrorism. Haliburton circumvented these restrictions by setting up subsidiaries in foreign countries. Halliburton subsidiarie Dresser Industries sold $30 million worth of water and sewage treatment pumps , spare parts for oil facilities, and pipeline equipment to Sadam Hussein's regime. Cheney lied about this on ABC's This Week" on July 30,2000, saying 'I had a firm policy that we wouldn't do anything in Iraq, even - even arangements that were supposedly legal... We've not done any bussiness in Iraq since the sanctions [were] imposed'"
November 12th 2003, 05:49 PM
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merlin
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Bush got elected because he has money. That and Bush Sr. did a (fairly-sorta) good job as president. Ah, money. Too bad it's in such high demand.
November 13th 2003, 03:29 AM
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It's ok Dukie, I like reasonable discussions. What I don't like is virulent, hateful, or unfounded statements that are just thrown out there. So far you sound perfectly reasonable.
Discussion and debate is good. It makes the mind work to clear up the un-understanable and the conscience to examine itself, hopefully for the better.
The USA is a huge target and because it's so powerful, there are always those who will seek to tear it down for reasons of their own. But positive debate and argument can only be a good thing. Which brings up the following thought.....
(Bush) "never got that high scores in school either. So how did he get to be president? I guess the smart people were in Bush's campaign staff."
Wouldn't you think that he was smart enough to get these smart people on his team? And why would intelligent people be willing to work for a dumb man? They must have seen something in him that inspired and/or impressed them.

"people seemed to like the "common man" aspect that is omnipresent in Bush."

I'm not sure what you mean. The beer drinking, the cowboy boots, the Texas ranch? His average grades? What? And if that's "common", I'll take grit and determination and all the rest any day over high intelligence. I've seen what so-called intelligent people can do when it's not combined with common sense or a moral guidance radar. As you said, Bush has some very intelligent people working for him. They can keep him up-to-date on all the issues. It's a smart man that knows who to have around him.

So, the point again: Bush really is dumb
If you don't agree, just say so!


Ok. I did.

As far as the Kyoto thing, this I will have to read up on to make any kind of informed opinion. Why do you think Kyoto is so important? What does it mean to you that makes you dislike Bush so much?

So off I go to visit the wizard... to learn about Kyoto.
*Deep menacing tone* I'll be back.
November 13th 2003, 05:13 AM
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safmoor
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Yes, Bush does have intelligent people working for him. They are also people I wouldn't want running the White House. For instance, Dick Cheney receives $100,000 from Halliburton in addition to being vice-president, which is illegal. Why is this allowed to happen? Well, it has happened years on end at corporations here. The administration runs the US like a corporation, so they should be given blame for the failing economy like any CEO. Desertgrl, can you say that Bush knows more about politics or anything in general(other than Texas legislature) than John McCain? How do you think he got the nomination? Was it his genius to outsmart the opponent in debates? And who says you think like an average person? Presidents have often been people who don't have high educations, like Andrew Jackson. A lot of people look for that "jolly, good gosh golly" quality in our president now that the labor union thing and "working man" attitudes aren't so high anymore(or at least they seem that way).
-I screwed up in my post, Bush did receive education, he just didn't learn anything,just like most people .
November 13th 2003, 05:33 AM
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Dukie
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Great, discussion time! And even with desertgrl
I have to admit, I was quite blunt with the dumb-statement there, although I stand by it

The reason why (some) people don't like the USA is because it's arrogant. They are the most powerful nation in the world, so they can start a world without the rest of the world agreeing, and they can throw out enviromental pacts if they want to. Noone can touch them. But it's that arrogance that bothers people. (the) Clinton (administration did better though. People liked them, they did good. Bush is just messing everything up.

Wouldn't you think that he was smart enough to get these smart people on his team? And why would intelligent people be willing to work for a dumb man? They must have seen something in him that inspired and/or impressed them.

Anyway, as you probably know, (I'll just copy this Comedian Jon Stewart once joked that watching President George W. Bush pick his White House staff was like watching "the old band get back together." It’s true that many of Bush’s choices for his incoming cabinet and top White House posts come from former Republican administrations, going all the way back to Gerald Ford. But what’s notable about this administration is not only the bona fide government credentials that the staff sports—it’s also the corporate connections they bring into the White House.

So Bush gathered up some of his dad's friends, the republican party provided him with some more cabinet members and that was it. Considering the corporate connections, it's easy to see why they wanted to be in the cabinet. It's those corporation who have benifited the most from Bush's administration, thanks to new tax laws and more lenient enviromental regulations. Everyone had a stake in the adminstration and they all got what they wanted. They had to pay a lot for it though. Bush's election campaign was the most expensive one ever.

What I meant with the common man aspect is kinda like what you said. His grammatical errors, vocabulary aka "the Bushisms", the beer drinking, the mediocre grades made Bush more appealing, his outfit, everything had the common man touch. That appealled to people, especially when compared to the "Al Bore". Even his foolhardy determination (or grit, as you call it) and his black/white vision are shared by lots of people.
Anyway, it's the intelligent people that control Bush. They falsify information, if need be, so that Bush will do what they have planned for him to do. Let's not forget those tragic falsified reports that led the USA in the war on Iraq. Bush does not read the papers, he gets briefed. It was like that for the other presidents too, but shows again how easily Bush can be manipulated. I think of him more as a puppet, though the mightiest one in the world.

Anyway, about Kyoto.. It seems there are quite a few people who oppose the pact as well. It all comes down to the fact whether or not global warming is caused by man or is perhaps non-existent. But we don't know that for sure. So, I think, it's better cut down on CO2-emissions before it's too late.

Kyoto isn't the big reason why I dislike Bush, it's just another string in the tapestry of evil of the Bush administration. Personally, I think Bush and his cabinet are war criminals. They should have waited with warring, like everyone said, until there was a real coalition then so many americans wouldn't have to die in vain each day.
November 13th 2003, 06:22 AM
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redink1
King He/Him United States bloop
A mother ducking wizard 
Warning: Satire to follow:

Just to say something.
He knows very little about Dink outside of The Dink Smallwood Solutions and never got that high scores in school either. So how did he get to be on staff? I guess The Dink Network had enough other smart people. And people seemed to like the "common man" aspect that is omnipresent in Dukie.
Now, I shouldn't really care about that but what bothers me is that Dukie also discards things like the Send Dan Money agreement. And that's bad for the whole world. So no Dukie in 04, aight?

So, the point again: Dukie really is dumb.
If you don't agree, just say so!
November 13th 2003, 06:34 AM
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Dukie
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I don't agree! Where did you get those facts?
Anyway, we all know the Send Dan Money agreement would only benefit the wealthiest DN member among us, namely King Redink! So, there you have it!
November 13th 2003, 12:39 PM
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SabreTrout
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"Never got that high scores in school "

But strangely enough, most of the richest, most succesful people in the world did rather badly at school.
November 13th 2003, 01:05 PM
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Phoenix
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Back from the ashes 
You don't need intelligence to get rich. You need a cold heart, determination, greed and bad moral to get rich.
November 13th 2003, 02:00 PM
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Christiaan
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Lazy bum 
or just plain luck
November 13th 2003, 02:14 PM
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safmoor
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Or a rich father.
November 13th 2003, 02:17 PM
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safmoor
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You aren't necessarily stupid if you do badly in school.
-Of course Bush isn't that smart as you can see, unless his brain has rotted away since he hasn't needed to anything for himself his whole life.
November 13th 2003, 08:32 PM
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joshriot
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keep it real 
bush is a toilet drinker.
November 13th 2003, 08:49 PM
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WC
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Destroying noobs since 1999. 
Worry about your own country dukie. I am not sure if bush could have done a better job given the conditions.

Dukie is a cockbite.
November 14th 2003, 05:00 AM
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safmoor
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Ha! Everytime!
November 14th 2003, 10:51 AM
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Yeah, Bush is dumb. But when you say he may be a nice guy, Dukie, I doubt it. I think he's dumb AND evil.
November 14th 2003, 01:05 PM
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If I recall my high school history correctly, Russia's Lenin finished his last year of high school or university with a 92% average (and look what happened with him), whereas I believe Einstein failed out of school or did poorly. Robert Frost was laughed out of a poetry contest at the age of 28. I'm not sure what the point of my post is, just that I find these stats interesting.
November 15th 2003, 03:56 PM
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joshriot
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keep it real 
shut your cock holsters
November 15th 2003, 04:15 PM
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safmoor
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I don't think that Lenin was stupid, so I don't so how it really correlates. Einstein never failed school, but he got close to failing math. He was always bad at mathematics.
November 15th 2003, 04:16 PM
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safmoor
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Josh, are you implying that cocks lay at rest in WC's mouth?
November 15th 2003, 07:02 PM
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Drake
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Well this chat has cetainly deteriorated fast...

anyways, look at the way Bush has led Texas as govenor.http://www.netspace.org/users/seiden/bushsux_facts.htm#texas_status

If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier — so long as I'm the dictator. — George W. Bush, Dec. 19, 2000

P.S.: Impling that WC is fabulous is an insullt ot fabulouss every where
November 15th 2003, 09:59 PM
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safmoor
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Just go and buy "Stupid White Men" and "Dude, Where's my Country" by Michael Moore.
November 15th 2003, 10:19 PM
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Drake
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"LIES (and the lying liars who tell them)" is also pretty good
November 15th 2003, 10:42 PM
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Striker
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Daniel, there are clowns. 
The only problem is that Moore is generally no more reliable than Bush. :|
November 16th 2003, 01:23 AM
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SabreTrout
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I quite like Lenin. He had some nice ideas.
November 16th 2003, 08:06 AM
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Dukie
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Hey, Moore is reliable. He was discredited by some NRA-followers some time ago, some people said facts in Bowling for Columbine were wrong, but he's cool enough to respond to those people.

Fahrenheit 9/11 will clarify once more why he's so great.
November 16th 2003, 05:21 PM
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Drake
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Wc, do you and josh have any thing relevant to contribute to this discusion? Take your flame war to another forum

A nationalist is some one who says that the shoot in their back yard doesn't stink. A patriot is some one who has the courage to admit that it does and scoops up the messes that dogs like Bush and Ashcroft make.

EDIT: Hmmm... Wc's post got deleted
December 2nd 2003, 07:14 AM
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Greetings to one and all.

Hmmm, interesting board with contributers who appear to be a bit further up the foodchain than is often the case in such fora (forums's; forumses; forums' ..... oh, what the heck!)

I suspect the level of Bush's intelligence is a side issue. Puppets don't need to be bright (in fact it can lead them into all kinds of trouble ..... think Pinnochio here). Bush is actually run by the REALLY scary bunch of neo-cons who represent mega-business and the fundamentalist religious right and who bought the White House (while the people were being distracted by the 'election' show).

Most realistic people are healthily sceptical of politicians' underlying motives, but the current bunch don't even care what the voters think of them. They are arrogant enough to laugh at public opinion - after all what does YOUR vote count for when they can buy entire States.

If you think that I overstate the case, just contemplate the damaged goods who make up the administration .... Rumsfeld, Rice, Cheyney, Poindexter .... all either intimately connected with multinational companies in the fields of energy, construction, oil etc., or former discredited politicos who have been absolved of their crimes by the administration (if not by their former victims).

OK, maybe they have snowed you into thinking that the dismantling of the welfare net and the redistribution of $billions in tax relief to the richest 5% is FOR YOUR OWN GOOD (side issue .... anyone who believes that is Olympic level dumb), but look away from the crumbling US economy for a minute or two. Perhaps the true measure of Bush and his administration is shown by the friends they keep. Berlusconi (Italian Premier) is under investigation for corruption; Jose Maria Aznar (Spanish Premier) has just this week refused to honour the victims of Gen. Franco's fascist regime; Sharon (Israeli Premier) has been denounced as being too aggresive and violent by his own chiefs of the army and security forces; Blair (UK Prime Minister) is a sad-sack poodle .... and don't forget old pals such as Saddam (out of work Iraqi Pres.) who was a pal of Rumsfelds back in the days when Rummy sold him the anthrax for use on the Kurds; Bin Laden (shock-jock of the Semtex loving minority) who was funded and trained by the CIA (I believe this was when Bush Snr was running things there); Noriego (ex-Panamanian dictator and drug pusher) also a CIA alumni .... etc., etc., need I say more?

So, does it really matter if Bush is dumb or not? (he is, by the way). After all, a syphilis virus may not be very bright .... but it can sure ruin your day!

December 2nd 2003, 12:46 PM
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safmoor
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Actually the economy is doing better now. What does that mean for the average joe? Not too much, since the corporations already moved their jobs to a foreign country(like India, which actually happened with a local company in my area). It means we're consuming more and the debt is rising and the corporations are making even more money than before when they were "losing" money.
December 7th 2003, 06:17 AM
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Just another of the 'joys' of globalised, multinational big business isn't it safemore?

Stiff the home workforce by 'outsourcing' jobs - then stiff the workers in India etc by paying graduates around $3 per day ..... still the already rich stockholders get to benefit, so, according to Bush et al, that is a 'good thing'.

I noticed this report in The Financial Times:

http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1069493775826