School
I start school tomorrow, and I may be already in school by the time you read this. Safmoor will be a sophmore, I can't wait. 
I start next Tuesday, and will be a junior. Which will be a lot of work. Ick.
im going to oakland university in like a week im gonna go beat up the frat boys
my first day of being a freshman was... today. strangest hair styles ive ever seen, there is something unsettling about a 16 yr old with a beard
Hehe, school for me just started for, let's say, a week ago.
For then we all were afraid of the *new* 8th grade, and now it's just the 8th grade. Not as small as the 7th grade, but not as big as the 9th grade
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For then we all were afraid of the *new* 8th grade, and now it's just the 8th grade. Not as small as the 7th grade, but not as big as the 9th grade
.I'll start monday, september 1st. Though, ofcourse, it's not like lessons n' stuff. I'll be guessing lessons start wednesday or so.
BTW, no matter how difficult or easy it is, homework is always evil! 
I really think all that math and history and literature frankly i dont care about cavemen! frankly i dont like to read, so why do you force me to read? I like to run head first into walls, do I force you to run head first into walls? If I talked to teachers the way they talked to me I would be expelled. When teachers arrive late its a simple accident and they always have an excuse, when I arrive late to class they assign a detention and tell me I have no excuses. I cant wait to get outta thar!
You can just fail everything, not try, and keep doing that until you're 16, then you don't ever have to go to school again, unless you want a half decent job.
- Or you could go on to be successful, get a bunch of like-minded people in politics, and change our educational system.
- Or you could go on to be successful, get a bunch of like-minded people in politics, and change our educational system.
Josh, tisk, tisk. My son has heard so much about this bad stuff. On the second day of school in second grade, he made a joke to his teacher about guns. The next thing I know, I'm in the pricipal's office with a kid that's been kicked out for two days. The message was loud and clear: don't joke about it. My son didn't even know why he was being punished. I told him how nervous people are (rightly so) and explained that destruction, killing, bombing, etc. in schools are not subjects that you can joke about. It's something that needs to be reported to the proper people. Of course, I feel that you are innocently joking but be aware of the consequences. I'm just lucky they didn't send me and son to counseling. The principal said he knew that it was a joke but it is a requirement to investigate all such sayings. Frankly, that makes me feel better about that school.
I told him how nervous people are (rightly so) and explained that destruction, killing, bombing, etc. in schools are not subjects that you can joke about. It's something that needs to be reported to the proper people.
More people die every year thanks to bike riding without a helmet than school shootings. Should jokes about those unfortunate people be grounds for suspension as well? What if I say 'I wish so-and-so teacher would die!'. What if I just think it?
This 'zero tolerance' (where joking about a gun, bringing in a butter knife, etc. is grounds for suspension/expulsion) is 'zero thought' on part of the school administration. They want to act like they have things under control, but they know that if someone was determined enough, there would be *no* reasonable way to stop it. Metal detectors don't work... the kids have to get out of the school eventually. Maybe they could buy full body armor suits for each child... but their lives aren't worth that much, as people would definately protest a tax increase of that magnitude, not to mention the difficulties it would cause in the classrooms/hallways.
I mean, this principal sounds silly. "The principal said he knew that it was a joke". So why was your son suspended?
More people die every year thanks to bike riding without a helmet than school shootings. Should jokes about those unfortunate people be grounds for suspension as well? What if I say 'I wish so-and-so teacher would die!'. What if I just think it?
This 'zero tolerance' (where joking about a gun, bringing in a butter knife, etc. is grounds for suspension/expulsion) is 'zero thought' on part of the school administration. They want to act like they have things under control, but they know that if someone was determined enough, there would be *no* reasonable way to stop it. Metal detectors don't work... the kids have to get out of the school eventually. Maybe they could buy full body armor suits for each child... but their lives aren't worth that much, as people would definately protest a tax increase of that magnitude, not to mention the difficulties it would cause in the classrooms/hallways.
I mean, this principal sounds silly. "The principal said he knew that it was a joke". So why was your son suspended?
Hmm, bike accidents aren't really a violent crime, are they? People don't scheme for months and months about causing horrific bike accidents. We seldom see angry, teased and taunnted 16 year olds being accused of or arrested for bike violence or helmet sabotage.
My point is, can we go to far to protect kids in schools? I don't think so. I also know that more and more kids are speaking out when they hear someone say something disturbing, and it has prevented other "Columbines". The punishment received by her son was maybe a bit much, but it certainly sends a message.
My point is, can we go to far to protect kids in schools? I don't think so. I also know that more and more kids are speaking out when they hear someone say something disturbing, and it has prevented other "Columbines". The punishment received by her son was maybe a bit much, but it certainly sends a message.
Bullcrap?? Do you reply so discourteously to every thought you disagree with?
I thoroughly agree with Pure Evil. It couldn't have been said better.
As to your argument: People make jokes about everything under the sun. Not my problem nor my concern. Children are. Especially my children. If you say you Wish so-and-so teacher would die, that is an emotion not an intent to harm.
However, if you Wish to say that in front of school officials, go right ahead. They will have no option but to pursue it. They can't afford not to. Or have you not read about all the schools being sued? We, the public, pay the taxes to support those schools and, gee, I wish they had thought of those armour suits before. What a nifty idea.... It's not the money for taxes nor metal detectors nor speech restrictions that will stop children from killing children in school. I don't know the answer but I know if we do nothing there will be an increase in these acts of violence. Should we be passive and do nothing? Or put down any ideas that can help? How about this one: Devise a simple personality test that will spotlight disturbed children. No? Well, I wish I knew the answer. I do know it's much easier to try to correct a situation before it happens rather than after the fact.
If we learn at an early age that there are consequences to our actions, then we are better people for it. The ones who never learned are the ones out there who kill, rob, cheat, lie, and on and on. I was angry at first that the principal knew it was a joke. That was a mistake and disservice to the kind of man I want my son to be. And I want him to live to grow up. Therefore, when he is in an environment that is out of my control, I hope there will be rules and restrictions that will help to protect him.
I just re-read this and I can be rather sarcastic sometimes. Please forgive that and let's have a chat on this subject sometimes. It would be interesting to see what others think.
I thoroughly agree with Pure Evil. It couldn't have been said better.
As to your argument: People make jokes about everything under the sun. Not my problem nor my concern. Children are. Especially my children. If you say you Wish so-and-so teacher would die, that is an emotion not an intent to harm.
However, if you Wish to say that in front of school officials, go right ahead. They will have no option but to pursue it. They can't afford not to. Or have you not read about all the schools being sued? We, the public, pay the taxes to support those schools and, gee, I wish they had thought of those armour suits before. What a nifty idea.... It's not the money for taxes nor metal detectors nor speech restrictions that will stop children from killing children in school. I don't know the answer but I know if we do nothing there will be an increase in these acts of violence. Should we be passive and do nothing? Or put down any ideas that can help? How about this one: Devise a simple personality test that will spotlight disturbed children. No? Well, I wish I knew the answer. I do know it's much easier to try to correct a situation before it happens rather than after the fact.
If we learn at an early age that there are consequences to our actions, then we are better people for it. The ones who never learned are the ones out there who kill, rob, cheat, lie, and on and on. I was angry at first that the principal knew it was a joke. That was a mistake and disservice to the kind of man I want my son to be. And I want him to live to grow up. Therefore, when he is in an environment that is out of my control, I hope there will be rules and restrictions that will help to protect him.
I just re-read this and I can be rather sarcastic sometimes. Please forgive that and let's have a chat on this subject sometimes. It would be interesting to see what others think.
so when you don't agree with something it's bullcrap? Redink.... I didn't expect thar from you 
I agree with PureEvil and desertgrl, though -and that's a fact- some people can be quite hypocritical. Especially in the US
I agree with PureEvil and desertgrl, though -and that's a fact- some people can be quite hypocritical. Especially in the US
Hmm, bike accidents aren't really a violent crime, are they? People don't scheme for months and months about causing horrific bike accidents.
What if someone wrote a short story about stealing everyone's bike helmets, and then envisioned them being hurt severely? It would be disregarded as ludicrous. As it should be.
We seldom see angry, teased and taunnted 16 year olds being accused of or arrested for bike violence or helmet sabotage.
And we seldom see angry, teased, and taunted 16 year olds shooting up a school. When was the last school shooting? 3 years ago?
My point is, can we go to far to protect kids in schools? I don't think so.
Yes, we can go too far. Are there cameras in every single room, including the restroom and lockerrooms? Are backpacks checked every 5 minutes by a school administrator? Are children required to be naked in school as to prevent any possible smuggling of weapons? No, of course not. But if we wanted to *truly* protect children as much as humanly possible, we would do all these things. But we won't.
I also know that more and more kids are speaking out when they hear someone say something disturbing, and it has prevented other "Columbines".
This is possible. And if a true threat is discovered, is should be dealt with harshly. But if it is a true joke, why the punishment?
The punishment received by her son was maybe a bit much, but it certainly sends a message.
Yeah: 'dude, to get out of going to school for a couple days, just make a joke about a gun!'
Bullcrap?? Do you reply so discourteously to every thought you disagree with?
Sorry desertgrl... in my mind at that moment, I didn't intend to be discourteous. I just feel strongly on the issue, and have since modified my message.
However, if you Wish to say that in front of school officials, go right ahead. They will have no option but to pursue it.
Since when have school administrators become mind-dead automatons? They *do* have a choice.
They can't afford not to. Or have you not read about all the schools being sued?
You can sue anyone for anything. If someone shot a rocket launcher into a school cafeteria, then a parent could easily sue the school for not having rocket-proof glass.
I don't know the answer but I know if we do nothing there will be an increase in these acts of violence.
Why so pessimistic? Some angry kids decided to shoot up some schools. This got media coverage. This in turn slightly influenced more succeptible angry kids to shoot up even more schools. Has it happened recently? I haven't heard of any instances.
If we do nothing, then the violence will *decrease*. In the late 80's, there were several governmental/school programs aimed at eliminating teenage suicide. And guess what happened? Teen suicide *increased* dramatically. Why? Because if everyone tells you 'oh, you shouldn't be such a depressed teenager, depressed teenagers commit suicide', then you start to relate to this stereotype. It won't happen to everyone, of course, but a substantial portion.
With all of this zero-tolerance, where gun jokes result in a suspension, it is just keeping the 'angry kids shoot up schools' meme in the public mind. And this will probably result in more violence.
I do know it's much easier to try to correct a situation before it happens rather than after the fact.
The problem is, you have to know what the situation is. What if someone decides to do something you haven't planned for? Look at the sniper attacks in D.C. last year... why don't gas stations have sniper shields around them? Because nobody ever thought it would happen. Creativity is unpredictable.
If we learn at an early age that there are consequences to our actions, then we are better people for it.
But if we learn at an early age that you can get suspended for just saying something that isn't acceptable... then we'll just become blind sheeple to be herded around by those who know better.
I just re-read this and I can be rather sarcastic sometimes. Please forgive that
Why? Sarcasm is great
What if someone wrote a short story about stealing everyone's bike helmets, and then envisioned them being hurt severely? It would be disregarded as ludicrous. As it should be.
We seldom see angry, teased and taunnted 16 year olds being accused of or arrested for bike violence or helmet sabotage.
And we seldom see angry, teased, and taunted 16 year olds shooting up a school. When was the last school shooting? 3 years ago?
My point is, can we go to far to protect kids in schools? I don't think so.
Yes, we can go too far. Are there cameras in every single room, including the restroom and lockerrooms? Are backpacks checked every 5 minutes by a school administrator? Are children required to be naked in school as to prevent any possible smuggling of weapons? No, of course not. But if we wanted to *truly* protect children as much as humanly possible, we would do all these things. But we won't.
I also know that more and more kids are speaking out when they hear someone say something disturbing, and it has prevented other "Columbines".
This is possible. And if a true threat is discovered, is should be dealt with harshly. But if it is a true joke, why the punishment?
The punishment received by her son was maybe a bit much, but it certainly sends a message.
Yeah: 'dude, to get out of going to school for a couple days, just make a joke about a gun!'
Bullcrap?? Do you reply so discourteously to every thought you disagree with?
Sorry desertgrl... in my mind at that moment, I didn't intend to be discourteous. I just feel strongly on the issue, and have since modified my message.
However, if you Wish to say that in front of school officials, go right ahead. They will have no option but to pursue it.
Since when have school administrators become mind-dead automatons? They *do* have a choice.
They can't afford not to. Or have you not read about all the schools being sued?
You can sue anyone for anything. If someone shot a rocket launcher into a school cafeteria, then a parent could easily sue the school for not having rocket-proof glass.
I don't know the answer but I know if we do nothing there will be an increase in these acts of violence.
Why so pessimistic? Some angry kids decided to shoot up some schools. This got media coverage. This in turn slightly influenced more succeptible angry kids to shoot up even more schools. Has it happened recently? I haven't heard of any instances.
If we do nothing, then the violence will *decrease*. In the late 80's, there were several governmental/school programs aimed at eliminating teenage suicide. And guess what happened? Teen suicide *increased* dramatically. Why? Because if everyone tells you 'oh, you shouldn't be such a depressed teenager, depressed teenagers commit suicide', then you start to relate to this stereotype. It won't happen to everyone, of course, but a substantial portion.
With all of this zero-tolerance, where gun jokes result in a suspension, it is just keeping the 'angry kids shoot up schools' meme in the public mind. And this will probably result in more violence.
I do know it's much easier to try to correct a situation before it happens rather than after the fact.
The problem is, you have to know what the situation is. What if someone decides to do something you haven't planned for? Look at the sniper attacks in D.C. last year... why don't gas stations have sniper shields around them? Because nobody ever thought it would happen. Creativity is unpredictable.
If we learn at an early age that there are consequences to our actions, then we are better people for it.
But if we learn at an early age that you can get suspended for just saying something that isn't acceptable... then we'll just become blind sheeple to be herded around by those who know better.
I just re-read this and I can be rather sarcastic sometimes. Please forgive that
Why? Sarcasm is great
You don't need qualifications for a great job! I want them, because I couldn't handle manual work, as I am small, weak and as frail as a flutterby, but still....
Scaffolding is a great job! I did a few days work as one, and while it is almost certainly the most physically tiring job their is, it pays VERY well, and you get to be ouside. As well as having a smoke while you are driving down the motorway, in your big-ass truck which would annihilate anything in a crash. Yeehaa!
Scaffolding is a great job! I did a few days work as one, and while it is almost certainly the most physically tiring job their is, it pays VERY well, and you get to be ouside. As well as having a smoke while you are driving down the motorway, in your big-ass truck which would annihilate anything in a crash. Yeehaa!
I believe the FBI had a list of possible factors for what would make a student who go on a school shooting. I don't remember these perfectly clear, but I do remember that none of them were hard to find in a group of kids. Does that mean that most of our kids are potential killers? I'd be much more worried about your kid drinking too much alcohol or driving drunk for death. I might be a long ways off parenting, but almost everyone drinks, but I also live in ND. (North Dakota has the largest amount of binge drinking among teens and adults)
Redink, thank you for your reply. This is a heartfelt subject from both of us, and we will have to agree to disagree.
Pure Evil's point is that yes, it is ludicrous to compare helmut stealing with school violence.(he can speak for hisself but this is what I understood him to say).
You want to know when the last school shooting was? April of this year (2 shootings so far this year) and a new school year starting.
As for going too far, I can't speak for Pure Evil. Aren't we supposed to use our god-given minds to choose the right or wrong paths? He gave us common sense so He probably wants us to use it. I don't think what you describe would be protecting our children. I would not use any of those tactics. You can't even protect prisoners with those rules and school is Not Prison. Nor should it be made so. That is not "truly" protecting our children. There are many people on this side of the argument that propose asinine punishments such as expulsion of a first grader for sexual harrassment when he kissed a girl. This is what I mean by using common sense. We can't go too far either way.
Modification: This is me speaking. I don't think Pure Evil is wrong in his "can't go too far". I understand what he means and think Redink is pushing it to mean something else. Sorry, Redink.
"more and more kids are speaking out....and it has prevented other "Columbines". Pure Evil is right! There have been many news stories about kids speaking out and then the police finding positive evidence of disturbed and violent children planning awful things. "Since when have school administrators become mind-dead automatons? They *do* have a choice."
No, they don't. The public and the law has made it quite clear they expect reactions to any such talk. Columbine lost their lawsuit because they ignored warning signals.
"Some angry kids decided to shoot up some schools. This got media coverage. This in turn slightly influenced more succeptible angry kids to shoot up even more schools." Slightly? More than slightly. I will find you the statistics if you want. And without the deterrments that are now in effect there would be even more increase, not less. Your "do nothing" plan is downright scary. You frighten me. *fingers in a cross shape*
"Creativity is unpredictable." That's what makes us human. So be aware and be scared.(joke)
But this subject is over for me. I won't change your mind and you won't change mine. I don't think either one of us is blind sheep. More like stubborn mules. lol Oh by the way, I'm not a lemming either. I don't think I'll jump off a cliff because some so-called educated authority told me that it would kill me and I shouldn't do it. If i did that, I would deserve to die and civilization would probably be relieved. That "study" didn't make sense to me. Did you learn that in college? See, here's more of that sarcasm you like. Shame on me. Not!
I enjoyed this discussion. It makes life interesting. Hasta la vista baby
Pure Evil's point is that yes, it is ludicrous to compare helmut stealing with school violence.(he can speak for hisself but this is what I understood him to say).
You want to know when the last school shooting was? April of this year (2 shootings so far this year) and a new school year starting.
As for going too far, I can't speak for Pure Evil. Aren't we supposed to use our god-given minds to choose the right or wrong paths? He gave us common sense so He probably wants us to use it. I don't think what you describe would be protecting our children. I would not use any of those tactics. You can't even protect prisoners with those rules and school is Not Prison. Nor should it be made so. That is not "truly" protecting our children. There are many people on this side of the argument that propose asinine punishments such as expulsion of a first grader for sexual harrassment when he kissed a girl. This is what I mean by using common sense. We can't go too far either way.
Modification: This is me speaking. I don't think Pure Evil is wrong in his "can't go too far". I understand what he means and think Redink is pushing it to mean something else. Sorry, Redink.
"more and more kids are speaking out....and it has prevented other "Columbines". Pure Evil is right! There have been many news stories about kids speaking out and then the police finding positive evidence of disturbed and violent children planning awful things. "Since when have school administrators become mind-dead automatons? They *do* have a choice."
No, they don't. The public and the law has made it quite clear they expect reactions to any such talk. Columbine lost their lawsuit because they ignored warning signals.
"Some angry kids decided to shoot up some schools. This got media coverage. This in turn slightly influenced more succeptible angry kids to shoot up even more schools." Slightly? More than slightly. I will find you the statistics if you want. And without the deterrments that are now in effect there would be even more increase, not less. Your "do nothing" plan is downright scary. You frighten me. *fingers in a cross shape*
"Creativity is unpredictable." That's what makes us human. So be aware and be scared.(joke)
But this subject is over for me. I won't change your mind and you won't change mine. I don't think either one of us is blind sheep. More like stubborn mules. lol Oh by the way, I'm not a lemming either. I don't think I'll jump off a cliff because some so-called educated authority told me that it would kill me and I shouldn't do it. If i did that, I would deserve to die and civilization would probably be relieved. That "study" didn't make sense to me. Did you learn that in college? See, here's more of that sarcasm you like. Shame on me. Not!
I enjoyed this discussion. It makes life interesting. Hasta la vista baby
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Though I realize that you did not relate a significant portion of your argument to religion, I'd just like to add a note: It is generally wise to leave religion out of an argument based upon fact rather than belief. The sad truth is that people usually view you as arrogant (and in most cases, rightly so, which is even more unfortunate).
I respect your religious beliefs 100%, by the way; don't assume that I posted this because I think it's wrong to believe in a god or some such thing.
I respect your religious beliefs 100%, by the way; don't assume that I posted this because I think it's wrong to believe in a god or some such thing.
what is the reason why some kids go insane and kill everybody? gym teachers, school work, homework, coaches, school faculty, and mental punishments (sitting in the corner, forced to do another essay, detentions) why? because the faculty are ignorant enough to give detentions... what is the one emotion you have while sitting in detention for a couple of hours staring at a wall? ANGER!! lots and lots of blinding anger. its common sense that people have to release their anger, not doing so results in death and destruction. the people sitting in detention get angry, so they take their anger out on other students. now those students bottle up their anger because any they would release it the cycle would start all over again, because lets face it, punching the wall, talking to councelers, telling a grownup, just never works! the best way to release your anger is to get revenge, but when you have soooo much bottled anger, you need lots and lots of revenge against everything and everyone you see. coaches and gym teachers only teach kids to destroy the weak, to rise above everybody else and let nobody stand in your way or else you need to push them aside! homework... i hate homework, you hate homework, we all hate homework! thats just another form of punishment. frankly i dont see how homework helps. theres a lot more important things to do. btw i have realised one thing, they say homework is something you need to do because its your job... WOW! what a load of BS!! do i get paid for doing my homework, do i get rewarded for doing my homework? NO! so why should i do it? its not my job, i dont get paid, end of discussion. this is why im going to drop out, its all a bunch of garbage and i just dont care. school systems are designed on capitalism, and fighting to the top, and if you dont make it to the top you wont be happy. id be happy without a big mansion in beverly hills, id be happy without being a doctor and saving a life everyday. you might have noticed that since my first posts on the DN that ive matured a bit. its about inner peace, but lets face it, anger is even more overwhelming than inner peace. just sit down, relax, and concentrate on your senses, its better than any mansion and a million bucks
Tal, you're out of line. Redink doesn't need your help because he thinks for hisself and very admirably too. This is not a flame war, this is a discussion. If this was a flame war, I could say something to you like 'Oh goody, the clone speaks.' But I won't. So why don't you try not to be arrogant yourself. If you have your own ideas to add to the discussion, then great.
If not, Wanna shake?
If not, Wanna shake?
do i get paid...
Well, trav666, if you got paid, you'd have to turn right around and pay the school. That's how taxes/economic system works...
frankly i dont see how homework helps.
Well, it's quite simple - it's made for those "brain-drain" people who, when they walk out the door, forget everything they just learned.
because the faculty are ignorant...
Well, I agree with you there, but not for the same purpose. At my school, the staff lock the doors(All what, 85 of them?) during the lunch period. People find ways to sneak inside, such as staying in for a few minutes and letting others in. Then the Vice Principal comes strolling along, "What are you doing in here?" Everytime, he tells us to go back. Well, I'd like to tell him to go fudge himself, but can I? No.
I also find funny the fact that staff will knock on the doors to get in, someone will let them in. Well now, of course it doesn't work the other way. We let them in, then someone will be running to get in, and guess what? THEY PULL THE DOOR SHUT! That pisses me off.
ANGER!!
Well now, there are head shrinks at your school? That's what they're for. And if they just take you to the Principal's office, just turn right around and sue the school for emotional distress... They'll kiss your ass just trying to make you happy.
Do me a favor and think about this:
Would you rather be a gardener or burger flipper, or would you like to have a sit-down job such as a corporate analyst (Pulled that right out of my rectum).
One more thing, which of those jobs makes more money? Without money, you cannot survive in this society. You need money for shelter, water, electricity, envy, etc. You also need it for a computer and an Internet connection (Imagine the horror!).
Well, that's my 2 cents (3 cents Canadian )
Well, trav666, if you got paid, you'd have to turn right around and pay the school. That's how taxes/economic system works...
frankly i dont see how homework helps.
Well, it's quite simple - it's made for those "brain-drain" people who, when they walk out the door, forget everything they just learned.
because the faculty are ignorant...
Well, I agree with you there, but not for the same purpose. At my school, the staff lock the doors(All what, 85 of them?) during the lunch period. People find ways to sneak inside, such as staying in for a few minutes and letting others in. Then the Vice Principal comes strolling along, "What are you doing in here?" Everytime, he tells us to go back. Well, I'd like to tell him to go fudge himself, but can I? No.
I also find funny the fact that staff will knock on the doors to get in, someone will let them in. Well now, of course it doesn't work the other way. We let them in, then someone will be running to get in, and guess what? THEY PULL THE DOOR SHUT! That pisses me off.
ANGER!!
Well now, there are head shrinks at your school? That's what they're for. And if they just take you to the Principal's office, just turn right around and sue the school for emotional distress... They'll kiss your ass just trying to make you happy.
Do me a favor and think about this:
Would you rather be a gardener or burger flipper, or would you like to have a sit-down job such as a corporate analyst (Pulled that right out of my rectum).
One more thing, which of those jobs makes more money? Without money, you cannot survive in this society. You need money for shelter, water, electricity, envy, etc. You also need it for a computer and an Internet connection (Imagine the horror!).
Well, that's my 2 cents (3 cents Canadian
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If I'm not horribly mistaken, Tal has the right to comment on this and give his suggestions, if he decides to. That doesn't mean he's out of line or that he was out to help redink1. He perhaps believed that this discussion would be on more agreeable terms with religious beliefs left out. But other than that, keep discussing, this is interesting.
E.T.R. - he certainly does have the right and the ability to add comments to this discussion. I never said he didn't. But if he wants to insult or deride someone for their opinions, that becomes another matter. He did not state any opinion on the subject under discussion except for the way it was presented (the religion bit and actually I agree with that).
If you need to have it pointed out, ok... He was little-boy-rude and offensive by stating a personal comment about me that has no place in what was on discussion. He also stated such comment as if he knows what everyone else thinks. Gee, when did that poll take place? I missed it. That Was Out OF Line. As for helping Redink, since he had none of his own ideas and the insult was aimed at me.... Forget it. No don't forget it. I'm pissed and hurt. Redink nor religion has anything to do with bad manners. dang right, he can say what he wants and so can I. This particular issue is between me and Tal. That's why I addressed it to him. Get the drift? God, I'm pissed. OPPS, sorry , there goes that religion thing again.
Modified .S. Somebody needs to help Trav. That's a lot of anger and grief.
Also Redink- I reread my last post to see if it looked arrogant. It is so hard to put feelings across in a post but that post is not meant at all too be snooty in any way ,shape, or form. I get very passionate about some subjects so I can see how it could be taken that way. I was having fun, not trying to be haughty, etc. .To me, we were cussing and discussing all in fun and seriousness with good cheer. If you took it
any other way, I'm sorry that you did, but, well...What else can I say?
This subject also sucks.
If you need to have it pointed out, ok... He was little-boy-rude and offensive by stating a personal comment about me that has no place in what was on discussion. He also stated such comment as if he knows what everyone else thinks. Gee, when did that poll take place? I missed it. That Was Out OF Line. As for helping Redink, since he had none of his own ideas and the insult was aimed at me.... Forget it. No don't forget it. I'm pissed and hurt. Redink nor religion has anything to do with bad manners. dang right, he can say what he wants and so can I. This particular issue is between me and Tal. That's why I addressed it to him. Get the drift? God, I'm pissed. OPPS, sorry , there goes that religion thing again.
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.S. Somebody needs to help Trav. That's a lot of anger and grief. Also Redink- I reread my last post to see if it looked arrogant. It is so hard to put feelings across in a post but that post is not meant at all too be snooty in any way ,shape, or form. I get very passionate about some subjects so I can see how it could be taken that way. I was having fun, not trying to be haughty, etc. .To me, we were cussing and discussing all in fun and seriousness with good cheer. If you took it
any other way, I'm sorry that you did, but, well...What else can I say?
This subject also sucks.
Funny you'd say that involves God, because it's very disrespectful to God, if you believe in him(her?).
-How did this become a serious discussion?
-How did this become a serious discussion?
He made no attempt to deride your opinions that I can see, and in fact, he went out of his way to try to ensure that he didn't insult your beliefs. He said he respected your beliefs 100% and it was sad that others may view one's religious beliefs as arrogance. He was simply giving advice which he thought may have been useful to avoid any other disputes about religion. And I didn't respond to you because I believed that Tal couldn't defend himself, it's just if you recall he doesn't post or browse as often, so one might assume that he has no answer for this. I'm pretty sure he was in no way trying to insult you or assume he understood the beliefs of others, but rather trying to give some helpful advice.
out of line??? gee wilikers!!
people die every day from the most pathetic reasons. people die of smoking, drunk driving, cancer, starvation and fudgein AIDS before gunshot wounds. you cant sit around worrying about the violence in your face acts of aggression everyone will die. it is insignificant if you were really sensitive towards loss of life you would be crying all the time from the ridiculous ways we cause ourselves to die. technology is our threat. overpopulation of retards is our threat. there is no longer natural selection so we might as well start shooting people.
you have been trained to FALL IN LINE by being against school shootings. the government fears this as an act of ANARCHY this will teach our kids to MAKE BOMBS THINK DIFFERENTLY AND BLOW shoot UP. we need to train our kids to never talk about that never talk about this life in a prison pay taxes get a job help economy so we can have our microwaves corporate accounts and strippers in our perfect orderly sane little barcoded boxes.
so fudgein joke about it cause the fact that you are so god dang PC and so god dang uptight about these sorts of things is fudgein hilarious.
probably one of the reasons i learned how the government sucks is when like in 8th grade 2 weeks after columbine the cops came and searched our house tore my fudgein room apart under false evidence because my brother's nickname was "bomberman" in jr high. this is a fudgein sham you people suck i want to write a book about maliciously stealing your bike helmets so that you fall and crack your heads open on the concrete and i can finger paint anarchy signs and smiley faces out of your blood and brains because your policies SUCK your anti-american laws SUCK your fear makes you a tool. its tyranny. its the same with that terrorism. ring a bell, learn about comunism in high school anyone? were you the fudgein retards who dropped the bombs on hiroshima and nagasaki? what ever happened to those billion natives? people die. it is the reason behind the death that can sicken and they point the finger at what they want you to see and they make you cry about what they want you to cry about.
and you can delete my posts it doesnt matter i already know the responses they are always the same.
people die every day from the most pathetic reasons. people die of smoking, drunk driving, cancer, starvation and fudgein AIDS before gunshot wounds. you cant sit around worrying about the violence in your face acts of aggression everyone will die. it is insignificant if you were really sensitive towards loss of life you would be crying all the time from the ridiculous ways we cause ourselves to die. technology is our threat. overpopulation of retards is our threat. there is no longer natural selection so we might as well start shooting people.
you have been trained to FALL IN LINE by being against school shootings. the government fears this as an act of ANARCHY this will teach our kids to MAKE BOMBS THINK DIFFERENTLY AND BLOW shoot UP. we need to train our kids to never talk about that never talk about this life in a prison pay taxes get a job help economy so we can have our microwaves corporate accounts and strippers in our perfect orderly sane little barcoded boxes.
so fudgein joke about it cause the fact that you are so god dang PC and so god dang uptight about these sorts of things is fudgein hilarious.
probably one of the reasons i learned how the government sucks is when like in 8th grade 2 weeks after columbine the cops came and searched our house tore my fudgein room apart under false evidence because my brother's nickname was "bomberman" in jr high. this is a fudgein sham you people suck i want to write a book about maliciously stealing your bike helmets so that you fall and crack your heads open on the concrete and i can finger paint anarchy signs and smiley faces out of your blood and brains because your policies SUCK your anti-american laws SUCK your fear makes you a tool. its tyranny. its the same with that terrorism. ring a bell, learn about comunism in high school anyone? were you the fudgein retards who dropped the bombs on hiroshima and nagasaki? what ever happened to those billion natives? people die. it is the reason behind the death that can sicken and they point the finger at what they want you to see and they make you cry about what they want you to cry about.
and you can delete my posts it doesnt matter i already know the responses they are always the same.
"Sheeple."
That's going to be my new favorite word now.
I actually despise that term in most instances... everyone is part of a sheeple group, after all. If you wear something that looks moderately normal, you're part of the Clothing Sheeple. If you think that the only way to use a computer is with Windows XP, except for those weird Mac folks, then you're a Computing Sheeple. And so on.
That's going to be my new favorite word now.
I actually despise that term in most instances... everyone is part of a sheeple group, after all. If you wear something that looks moderately normal, you're part of the Clothing Sheeple. If you think that the only way to use a computer is with Windows XP, except for those weird Mac folks, then you're a Computing Sheeple. And so on.
Again you misunderstand. He didn't deride my opinions. If he derided my opinions, that would have been more fun for me as long as he didn't make it personl. He made personal remarks that had no revelance to the subject. I already told you the religion bit was great. Why are you talking about religion?
"He said.... it was sad that others may view one's religious beliefs as arrogance." Oh brother! No, that's not what he said. Read it again please.
"He said.... it was sad that others may view one's religious beliefs as arrogance." Oh brother! No, that's not what he said. Read it again please.
I just think that "sheeple" sounds amusing when said out loud.
Desertgrl, I don't think you understand what Tal was saying... at one point, I believe you said something about using our "God-given common sense" or something to that effect, and I think Tal was simply pointing out that while he fully respects your beliefs, it's not a good idea to drag them into a discussion lest someone think you're being arrogant. He was trying to help you out, not insulting you or making "personal remarks." He is not out of line, he is not flaming, he is not "little-boy-rude", he is not "helping Redink"... he's just trying to give you a little bit of advice, and you're blowing it vastly out of proportion and taking offense at it.
If I may quote something that you, yourself said...
"This forum is for people to enjoy and exchange ideas, not to carry on a useless flame war. You don't live next door and have to interact with those you can't stand. Ignore them. You'll be happier. " - desertgrl
Take your own advice.
If I may quote something that you, yourself said...
"This forum is for people to enjoy and exchange ideas, not to carry on a useless flame war. You don't live next door and have to interact with those you can't stand. Ignore them. You'll be happier.
" - desertgrlTake your own advice.
Alli, you are absolutely right. I reread his post and I did take it wrong. What an idiot!
I was reading it again while you were writing your post and realized exactly what he was really saying. And you're also right-- practice what I preach. So everybody please stop now.
TO TAL: I am abjectly sorry for being such an ass. I totally misunderstood your comment about being arrogant. I ask your forgiveness? And if not, then I will hang myself from the yardarm tonite. Thank you-know-who I live in the desert.
In all seriousness, I am truly sorry and embarrassed. Shame on me.
I was reading it again while you were writing your post and realized exactly what he was really saying. And you're also right-- practice what I preach. So everybody please stop now.
TO TAL: I am abjectly sorry for being such an ass. I totally misunderstood your comment about being arrogant. I ask your forgiveness? And if not, then I will hang myself from the yardarm tonite. Thank you-know-who I live in the desert.
In all seriousness, I am truly sorry and embarrassed. Shame on me.
Alli, thank you. I needed to hear that even if I had just discovered it myself. Boy, do I feel bad. I think you are the only one who understood the mis-communication very clearly.
You're gonna make a great mom if you can make sense out of something so involved. Sincerely, Thanks again.
SSOOOOO, how did you get all those quotes and italics in your post? And how did you remember all the different things that were said? I'm impressed. But, one thing, is there anyone close by that knows Trav666? He is so distressed. He breaks my heart.
You're gonna make a great mom if you can make sense out of something so involved. Sincerely, Thanks again.
SSOOOOO, how did you get all those quotes and italics in your post? And how did you remember all the different things that were said? I'm impressed. But, one thing, is there anyone close by that knows Trav666? He is so distressed. He breaks my heart.
No problem. ^_^
As for italics, check here under "Message board." It tells you how to make links, bold text, and italics. And remembering stuff... comes with 5 or so years of memorizing lines for school plays.
As for italics, check here under "Message board." It tells you how to make links, bold text, and italics. And remembering stuff... comes with 5 or so years of memorizing lines for school plays.
No. Don't delete josh's post. I SO agree with this. I read this interesting discussion and so far I think josh has made the most intelligent point.
dude, make a song about this. or else I will. ghe
dude, make a song about this. or else I will. ghe
that's what I ask myself sometimes when looking at another deleted post
a lot of my posts seem to have been deleted lately. i thought perhaps my comments about painting with brain matter would upset the DN PC fascists but apparently they themselves enjoy finger painting with bloody brain matter. it truely is an aesthetic pastime.
Seeing as we are both a bit "odd"...you more than me (i expect) maybe we should make a warped d-mod together! How about it Josh? Something completely off-the-wall and completely politicaly incorrect! 
im already doing that, see the previews section. but then again we could make a game about going to school and shooting all the kids with a flame thrower.
lol. that would be somewhat funny, but ehh. I wouldn't do that if I were you
Did yo actualy like that d-mod? Well, I'd give it a 6 or 7, but true, it was funny. Of course, if you listen to punk, you might even enjoy killing the dang hippies. And Have a nice day signs that tell you to shoot them.
What? School? 15 september, kill myself, goodbye world. And hey, what's wrong with school bombing??
What? School? 15 september, kill myself, goodbye world. And hey, what's wrong with school bombing??
Sounds good to me josh! And we could have mini-games where you have to go and shoot up somewhere, and run if anybody sees you.
Flamethrower might be a bit tame though... I'm thinking we take dismemberment to a whole new level...way past that of ducks.
Flamethrower might be a bit tame though... I'm thinking we take dismemberment to a whole new level...way past that of ducks.
