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I am starting a flame war now.

Discuss.

Mass Effect 3 had the best endings out of all Mass Effect games and they are the best and so touching i don't care what you say, goodbye i'm out. ^^
inb4 losers

I only played the first mass gaem but you are wrong, me3 ending was wurst in the series. wrust game ever, i win!!1

and momma says i'm not a loser i don't care what u say either lamo. plenty other 40 yr olds live in their parents basement. bad ecomony. sory i meant lmao not lamo, riting on phone take to long 2 go back. sry m8, lmao.

i like pee

Dark Souls isn't actually very good.

Assassins creed 1 is best. The rest is crap. The Dink network is not dead! Kill Tal, long reign Skurn in dominion with me as a minion!
Ugh, oh yea, politics.
America sucks! I hate England! Duck europe, burn africa, nuke asia, sink australia, long live antartica!

blayze it.

KrisKnox has a mental illness.

Good, my pawns. Fight amongst yourselves. Give in to darkness. There must be some things you've been wanting to say. Get it all out now.

Destiny is game of the generation!

All hail the Lurkers!

IPAs are highly overrated and generally taste like liquified pine trees.

Time to pour gasoline into our flames and respond to some of these.

Dark Souls isn't actually very good.
You are right. Dark Souls is absolute garbage. People claim it's super difficult "hardcore" gaming. It's not. Challenge isn't getting killed in one hit because you went the wrong way and fought something super powerful. Anyone who likes it is wrong.

Destiny is game of the generation!
No it isn't. I haven't played it, but the shit Bungie's apparently doing with the DLC is nonsense. It's a piece of shit. Anyone who likes it is wrong.

IPAs are highly overrated and generally taste like liquified pine trees.
You taste like pine trees.

long reign Skurn in dominion with me as a minion!
All of you shall be mine. Then, I'll be crowned and ban whoever I deem unworthy to exist on the same plane as me. Hint - it's a lot of you.

Skurn is the best poster on this board

Destiny is your destiny.

Destiny is greedy diarrhea.

IPAs are highly overrated and generally taste like liquified pine trees.

You just crossed the line, Mr.

Yeah, it's actually true for all beer.

Yeah, it's actually true for all beer.

Here Here!

League of legends and dota 2 suck huge balls

Skullcandy >>>>>>> Beats. I hope Dr. Dre realizes Beats sucks only slightly less than his music and I hope he cries and he goes home.

AC/DC <3

League of legends and dota 2 suck huge balls
At this point, we are simply stating facts.

Skullcandy >>>>>>> Beats. I hope Dr. Dre realizes Beats sucks only slightly less than his music and I hope he cries and he goes home.
Of course Beats suck. Those assholes literally take like, 15 dollar headphones and stick a logo on them to increase the price.

Granted, I have headphones, around as cheap as that and they are probably superior to Sennheiser since those have virtually no bass. (unless the thing you are playing is kinda just bassy sound).

By the way, Skullcandy things break in 8 seconds.

AC/DC <3
What, those overrated ducks who did the same thing a million other rock bands did?

You just crossed the line, Mr.
Yeah, it's actually true for all beer.

I'm sorry that some of us have refined enough palates to tell the difference and know the difference between what tastes good and what doesn't.

Skullcandy >>>>>>> Beats.
By the way, Skullcandy things break in 8 seconds.

Being more serious here for a moment, my current pair of headphone is skull candy that I specifically bought because it has a detachable wire. I rarely am able to keep headphones for more than 2 years because the wire always ends up with a short. Now if that happens, I just have to replace the wire rather than get a whole new set.

Also, this is pretty fun, but if it gets out of hand or too personal, one of the mods or myself will lock it down.

I had a pair of turtle beach that broke themselves. That thing was stupid - it got static if I had the remote clipped too close to the laptop, too.

So word of warning... hanging things up and taking care of your shit ends up breaking them for no reason. I blame scratcher because.

Old Video Games are better than the newer ones, graphics don't make the game, unless it's something like SimonK's Dmods.

Skurn's Mother!

The U.S. government is hiding too much stuff from all citizens, but they have good reason to because of Spies & lunatics.

I have a hard time with women.

I'm sorry that some of us have refined enough palates to tell the difference and know the difference between what tastes good and what doesn't.

Thank you.

On the subject of flame wars, I've been looking through old posts. It almost seems like the DN used to just be one big flame war. Am I wrong? The DN has definitely become gentrified from what it once was.

Am I wrong?

It went through several periods. Some were pretty bad.

Well every forum goes through a flame war over a period of time.

Also metatarsal what's that on your shirt?

Yes, brassweasel. It's gone through much and I am starting another flame age.

Get ready.

Old Video Games are better than the newer ones, graphics don't make the game, unless it's something like SimonK's Dmods.

Skurn's Mother!

The U.S. government is hiding too much stuff from all citizens, but they have good reason to because of Spies & lunatics.

I have a hard time with women.

SimonK's graphics conflict with the original stuff and the gold tiles are gross.

Dack's future ex-wife, Justin Bieber!

The government thing has to do with money not spies and lunatics. It is also not a good reason. Our government is heinous trash.

A hard time with women! GET IT? HARD!? THEY PROBABLY VOMIT IN YOUR FACE AND THEN DRINK SALT AND PEE OUT SALT MINES TO MINE AND DRINK MORE SALT SO THEY CAN EVENTUALLY HAVE ENOUGH SALT MINES TO AFFORD SOMETHING TO ESCAPE THE HARD TIME YOU GIVE THEM.

Yeah, there were a few years where it was basically not worth visiting because of that. I blame Tal and redink1.

As a forum Ent, I still have a lot of nostalgia for the 2001-2004 era.

Yes it was. It was an age of playtime.

Well, I will give you credit for kicking off the last Era of Shit. So, go you, I guess.

Good shit, right? Yummy shit? You know you loved it.

Come on, Striker. You can share a place in my new kingdom.

Your Kingdom sucks Dead Dragon Balls, LOOOOOOOL TROOOL, OMGWTFRAC

Steam isn't the best for gaming, it's becoming the worst.

Dinkers from (Insert Country Here) can't make good Dmods especially ones from (Insert different Country Here).

Yes it's true. Dmods represent the country of the makers just like Olympic athletes do. The U.S.A has Michael Phelps and Pokemon: Bible Version to represent it.

I wish the media would pick up on my other monstrosities. Then the world would know we have much more to offer, and especially have much better things to offer.

Fun fact, Michael Phelps once swam ten miles to escape me because he was worried Sour Gummy Worms was going to collapse reality. He wasn't wrong, but he worried too much. I think.

I still salute the mods that actually stuck around during that time and did the best they could. You guys are awesome.

It's just one of those things that can happen to an internet community during its twilight years (no matter how long that twilight lasts). People come and go and eventually it'll pick up one or more kids who feel powerless and pathetic in their day-to-day lives, so they go online to find the small measures of success or recognition that their personal life lacks. Sometimes they discover they are good playing games and pwning n00bs, some discover that they're highly creative and their works are appreciated, and then there are the few who find that they are *still* not good at much of anything. Even in a small community, they have no way to overcome their deep personal flaws and be acknowledged as somehow special. They take the easiest route, find ways to get negative attention and have enough stick-to-itiveness to be recognized by what remains of a community. It provides a feeling of some significance to what has been, until then, a life unfulfilled and grossly insignificant, even on a human scale.

Most people who do this eventually come into their own in some sort of way, grow up, and start finding ways to actually have power and meaning in their own life. Others, well... this may be as good as it gets for them.

Yeah, and you know, I have to admit that I've developed some admiration for Skorn in looking back at some older posts too. I mean he really took some abuse with good humour at times and that's not easy to do.

On a completely unrelated note, is Cloud Castle 3 a real thing? Is there an E.T.A?

is Cloud Castle 3 a real thing? Is there an E.T.A?

It's as real as Necromancer.

Simon will never finish Necromancer because...

Just like how Arik will never finish Cloud Castle 3 because...

Now we just need to come up with a theory of why the Skurn Game Collection Series (SGCS for Short) will never finish, they were such great games, but now we'll never know what happens to everyone.

I REALLY HATE fabulousS!

AND UM.... VEGANS!

AND THE INDIANS CAN ALL GO BACK TO THEIR COUNTRIES AND QUIT STEALIN OUR JOBS!

Am i contributing?

... because IT'S MY SERIES.

And I'll never finish it because I have better things to do with my time. I shall not fritter away hours on such a pointless enterprise. Jesus. You'd have to be an idiot to think about making d-mods nowadays.

I shall not fritter away hours on such a pointless enterprise. Jesus. You'd have to be an idiot to think about making d-mods nowadays.

I know, right. What do those idiots think they're doing?

Yep, if only these talentless hacks like SimonK understood that everyone hates their 'art'. Everyone just pretends to like it since they've made a dmod mistake as well.

The poll should be updated, it's starting to get lame seeing the same thing every day. This comment is partially true.

@Leprochaun, now give us your gold we've caught you!

gg

You ask, we deliver.

I must say this is the most fun thread around for a long, long time.

What's everyone's favourite bands & other things?

Mortal Kombat is better than Tekken or Street Fighter!

Redink is Repressing us!

Blue is the best colour.

... because IT'S MY SERIES.

And I'll never finish it because I have better things to do with my time. I shall not fritter away hours on such a pointless enterprise. Jesus. You'd have to be an idiot to think about making d-mods nowadays.
Yes! It's pointless to create something people have wanted for years! It becomes even more pointless when you say you're almost done with a demo and then say 'Well, duck these guys. Hahaha.'

You... evil... GUUHUHASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

Mortal Kombat is better than Tekken or Street Fighter!
And SoulCalibur is better than all of those because the moves actually work! Street Fighter is probably the lowest on the list. But then again, no one in existence could simply guess how to do a fatality, and even those don't work properly.

So I guess that Sparrowhawk's list is largely a work of fiction then?

Want to know something even worse? I actually have a copy of what Sabre had done on CC3 in the hopes that maybe I could do something with it. But guess what, losers? I'M NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT EITHER! MWHAHAHAHA!

Another thing I learned from reading old postings is that releasing a "low-quality" file is sufficient cause for hating someone. I didn't know that!

Nah, it takes a lot more than that.

2 low quality released files!? I can't think of anyone who deserves hate more than those types of people, or maybe people who will just insult everyone or their beliefs, no idea which is worse though.

Hey, what's the difference between a noble and a bard?

Nobles have more power.

And better hair.

...well done, Skurn. Well done.

I have had more fun playing Yugioh than Magic the Gathering.

Duel my shaddolls you unfabulous people.

Haha, well played.

I'm a bard because I have a beard.

It's fitting somehow.

Sing us the tale of "The King's Awakening" good man.

opens the door and throws a match in this is too darned nice for a flame war thread geesh i am yawning ...

Yeah, well, you contribute something, you washed up hamburglar.

bite me?

*Uses Guard Dog to bite MsDink*

NOBODY POST OR YOU'LL RUIN THE POST NUMBER

EDIT: GODDAMMIT

YOU DUCKING IDIOT! YOU DID THAT ON PURPOSE!

Well we have to do the only rational things now. We must do enough posts to make the count reach another special number, like 666 or 42. Also Zeddexx must commit the act of 69 onto the oldest or dirtiest(Whoever volunteers first) member or make a video of him saying 69 while drawing picture with the number 69 somewhere, eating 69 hotdogs at once, wearing a piece of clothing with the number 69 on it & then post it on Youtube.

this website is retardedly outdated and the fact that nobody wants to add basic things that would not cause anything bad whatsoever to this forum is really sad

"NO WE DON'T WANT A QUOTING SYSTEM BECAUSE FUQ U THATS WHY"

this website is retardedly outdated and the fact that nobody wants to add basic things that would not cause anything bad whatsoever to this forum is really sad

"NO WE DON'T WANT A QUOTING SYSTEM BECAUSE FUQ U THATS WHY"

We have a quoting system, and I just used it.

: this website is retardedly outdated and the fact that nobody wants to add basic things that would not cause anything bad whatsoever to this forum is really sad

: "NO WE DON'T WANT A QUOTING SYSTEM BECAUSE FUQ U THATS WHY"

We have a quoting system, and I just used it.

this website is retardedly outdated and the fact that nobody wants to add basic things that would not cause anything bad whatsoever to this forum is really sad

"NO WE DON'T WANT A QUOTING SYSTEM BECAUSE FUQ U THATS WHY"

We have a quoting system, and I just used it.

I'm not sure... but I think we have a quoting system... And Skurn just used it...

What about the following dmods. Are any of them real things, or are they all in the same category as CC3, Necromancer, etc...?

"A Simple Quest"
"Grasp of Darkness 2"
"Ridge Conspiracy"

Aside from "My Pet Death", are any of you working on things or have you all given up. Just curious.

A Simple Quest. Definitely not coming out. As far as I've seen, MsDink hasn't posted a single update about it.

Grasp of Darkness 2. "I love Dink, but as people has mentioned, I too think that it is not worth completing DMODs atm." - Quiztis. So, no.

Ridge Conspiracy. What?

Aside from "My Pet Death", are any of you working on things or have you all given up. Just curious.

I'm on the fence. Maybe, maybe not. I have one that I have been doing stuff with now, and I dunno if I'll finish it or not.

Ridge Conspiracy is a dmod scratcher is making. I hope he finishes that because it was going to be really weird.

Arcduck Shrimp was working on Christopher Journey. He was sending me betas to test but I haven't heard from him in a few weeks.

Skorn, you better finish the fish one.

As for me, I haven't worked on my pet death for a while, but I'm going to get back to it soon. I'll think I'm going to try and push myself to do at least one thing a day in that. Be it decorating a screen, or writing a script. I'm going to get working on it now.

How far is everyone in there dmods? Also how long do you think it will take Leprochaun?

I... don't think I've worked on Ridge Conspiracy once since announcing it. The dmod is in good shape, though, with not much more work needed to wrap it up. It would be a shame if I never finished it.

There's also another dmod I hope I'll be able to complete at some point, which is an amalgation of some of the stuff I've worked on during my years here, but never finished. It was going to be a sprawling epic, but that's not going to happen; if I repurpose it into a quest, it'll still be very good, and also nearly complete already.

I definitely intend to release at least one more dmod, because the only modern thing I've got is Lost Forest Romp, and I held back while creating that in many ways: (Because it was made for the Throwback Dmod Contest) I want to go full out with the crazy. =)

Skorn, you better finish the fish one.

Yeeeaaaaah, but the only two scripts in the game are really loooooonnng.

I'll might finish it. Just requires some cut and paste and sitting there motionless for 7 hours to think of some things, then putting those things in the script. Then the other script needs more stuff and things.

Skorn, don't tell me what I'm not doing. I said at the moment.

The urge for DMODing comes and goes. I've pretty much finished story, setting and most of the mechanics for GoD2, so the framework is there. Levels are actually created in a game I'm working on on the side.

I've pretty much finished story, setting and most of the mechanics for GoD2, so the framework is there

It sounds too sethy.

Is the community allowed to work on any unfinished work without the author's permission(Mainly since some people left forever)? It seems like we should try & tidy up the site a little actually since everyone is a little low on the work ethic.

I'm still going to at least get my DMOD to a playable unfinished state with some sort of last boss and ending. I kind of want to add a couple more levels or even finish it, but that probably won't happen with everything else I have on my plate these days.

Quitter! Bawk, Bawk, Chicken. Can't even finish a dmod, Skurn managed to make a bunch. Don't forget you can get other people to help you code chump.

*Flame War protects this statement, all views expressed in this post are not the views of the author of the post*

Thank you for the encouragement Dack!

*The views expressed above are the view of the author, however to keep things on topic, you are all tweezer gunk or something*

I'm right and you're all wrong. I can't tell you why though...cuz then you'd be right too. And I prefer to be the only one who is right.

You are wrong in that statement because.....Canadians can't be mean, so ha kay.

I challenge everyone to make a dmod better than Skurn's, first place is Skurn's best gym sock.

I don't have any gym socks, goddamnit. Why does every stupid butt here assume that?

Then the next best prize, Skurn's used underwear or his computer set, whichever is more readily available.

Wouldn't you rather have a signed copy of my latest album "DUCK NO"?

I started playing Dark Souls a few weeks ago. I have mixed feelings. I like the atmosphere, but the controls were horrifyingly unintuitive and difficult to get into. I've gotten through Undead Burg, the sewer place and the bell tower church thing so far, and I still find the controls pretty crappy. Too often I die because the camera spasms while dodging into something, I casually stroll off a ledge, I accidentally open the ducking gestures menu, or the target lock either fails to lock on or locks into the wrong thing.

I also don't think the game's difficult, so much as it's punishing. If you could save anywhere or the game had a frequent checkpoint system, getting through it would actually be very easy. As long as you know what's going to happen next, what foe is going to pop up or what kind of move a boss is going to perform, it's no problem. But if you DON'T know, you're going to die. You can only learn what will happen by playing the game, so you die a lot, and each time you die, you have to backtrack a long distance, potentially losing hours worth of experience should you die again before reaching your essence.

The game makes me ducking angry, which is why I keep coming back to it, and want to beat it. No way is the game going to beat ME, regardless of what kind of unfair bullshit jump kills it pulls!

There's a glitch in the forest area if you unlock the door where you can aggro some of the ghost knights and then make them walk off the edge. I farmed souls this way and the game became really easy. Even on the second play through I wasn't really having any difficulties. I never finished the second play through though because the game was pretty boring the second time. Pretty sure I was almost done with the second play through too.

Are you playing with a controller? I can't imagine playing this game without a controller.

Yeah, I think my issue, aside from the horrendous controls really is that "ain't nobody got time for that". I'm just not enough of a masochist to conflate "punishing" as good game design. I have a massive library of other games and damn social life which is just more incentive to not give DS any more of my time.

Also, unlike you, I didn't really like the atmosphere. I've seen enough dirty-brown dark fantasy worlds and DS did nothing to stand out from the rest.

I also don't think the game's difficult, so much as it's punishing. If you could save anywhere or the game had a frequent checkpoint system, getting through it would actually be very easy.

I've noticed the difficulty of games in general tends to be very exaggerated by people. Especially games from the NES-era. There are so many NES games where people say "This is one of the hardest games ever", but really, most of the time that is BS. I've recently been playing Battletoads. I've made it to level 8 so far, and is it a difficult game like everybody says? Apart from a few parts, no. Having tons of trial-and-error parts and being very punishing for failing them is not difficult; just annoying and frustrating. I've played very few games that I think are actually difficult. The Phantom Menace on PS1 gets pretty hard at points. If that game didn't have the save feature it does, it'd be the hardest game ever. Another game I remember having a hard time with is Spy Hunter: Nowhere To Run on PS2. All I remember is getting to around level 5 and it being hard as duck. It was poor enough to make me not wanna keep playing, too.

NES-era. There are so many NES games where people say "This is one of the hardest games ever", but really, most of the time that is BS. I've recently been playing Battletoads. I've made it to level 8 so far, and is it a difficult game like everybody says? Apart from a few parts, no.

Yeah, I've found that a lot of games on NES aren't hard, but just have terrible controls. Stiff, can't really play too quick. Non-control-wise, jumping back like in Castlevania is more of a bad design choice than anything. There's always a ducking pit and it's just designed to one shot. They're designed this way to artificially lengthen the game because they didn't have much space.

Though, Final Fantasy is pretty long and has a lot of stuff in it. So, maybe that argument is bullshit, who knows.

But I refuse to believe you had no trouble with the Turbo Tunnel. That thing legitimately looks hard as duck. You actually have to react to everything it throws at you and it's not some bullshit trial and error thing since it shows you what's coming and where before it shows up. Only thing there that really looks 100% unfair is the fact you can easily slip through the platforms if you don't jump at just the right time.

You want a hard game, try this. The combat actually allows for a lot to do, so when you get to Zodd, prepare for a stressful ducking fight.

He's also the first boss.

But I refuse to believe you had no trouble with the Turbo Tunnel. That thing legitimately looks hard as duck.

Heh, it's funny you say that, cause even getting to level 7 pretty much requires no screwing up at all during the first four levels. And I'm assuming getting to the final boss will likely require no messing up at all.

Of course it's hard to get the Turbo Tunnel down at first. But that's just more of the trial-and-error. Believe it or not, once you get it down it actually isn't hard at all. Now I can do it basically every time without messing up once. Same with Volkmire's Inferno, though that's still a bit harder considering you get less practice cause it's later on in the game. I actually made it through the Turbo Tunnel on 2-players with my cousin. That was pretty difficult, cause no matter how well you do, if the other player screws up you both go back. Though I'm sure now we could do it easy, at least on my part. It's unbelievable how much of a confidence/skill boost it gives you when you get through a level even just once.

Yeah, I couldn't beat Turbo Tunnel when I was 10, but it actually got to be pretty easy when I came back and played the game again at 18. Even at that age, I could only get as far as the snake level (though I think I once managed to get a warp forward to the level with the jets and the flaming background). I would still consider Battletoads to be stupid hard, and pretty punishing.

Dunno. I've noticed people who've beaten Battletoads once, can beat it nearly flawlessly every time after that. So it doesn't really seem like that hard a game. I consider a truly difficult game something you can beat as many times as you want but still have trouble with every time.

That's a reason I consider Dark Souls to be fake challenge.

I consider a truly difficult game something you can beat as many times as you want but still have trouble with every time.

Not in that game you can't. Went down the stairs instead of up? A dude with a shield one shots you and you can't block him. Go somewhere else. You're not powerful enough yet. If they're taking away 90% of your health in one blow, you're doing fiiiine.

From software needs to learn how to make good fights. How about some equal, but difficult fights? Not "lol, i just took more than half your live bar by hitting the ground next to you!"

What games would fall under the truly hard category then? Do randomly generated games count?

Do randomly generated games count?

Haha, no. Those games that are purely dependent on RNG are just RNG. Like Binding of Isaac. People say it's tough, but it just depends on if you get some good stuff on a run and just what the rooms are like.

Still have to guess what all those stupid cards do though, but it's all random chance which ones you get and what enemies you fight.

The hardest games I can think of are Ninja Gaiden and Robot Odyssey.

Would the Boktai games count as hard since you're required to have the sun? Also is Pokemon: Bible Version one of the hardest games as well, I don't think anyone's found the ending yet, only a way to go back to the title screen.

Well, Battletoads is a lot about memorization, I'm sure that once you have the patterns for things memorized, it's not too bad. The trouble was getting all the way to the later levels to actually start memorizing those as well, dying as you learned in them, and then having to start completely over again. Also, a lot of the people who put that stuff online are just a lot better than the average gamer and are very good at making their feats look easy... I'm a pretty average gamer when it comes to skill level.

The hardest games I can think of are Ninja Gaiden and Robot Odyssey.

Ninja Gaiden on the NES was also kind of in the same vein as Battletoads... extremely punishing and stupid hard. The more recent versions were also really tough, but I found them to be a LOT more fair than Dark Souls. If I died in Ninja Gaiden, I felt like it was my own fault rather wrestling with the clunky controls or camera, or some kind of "LOL, you can't go that way yet, guess you have die and start over" BS. I guess the only thing I didn't like about the newer Ninja Gaidens were the times where the waves of enemies seemed virtually endless; those were just exhausting and not very fun.

Ninja Gaiden on the NES was also kind of in the same vein as Battletoads... extremely punishing and stupid hard.

Eh, I played to 6-2 recently. That's when extremely punishing and stupid hard. comes in. Up until that point, the cheapest things were shitty enemy placement specifically to get you to fall. The only other section I can think of that was 6-2 levels of bullshit, but not as bad, was the one before that tall knight thing I can't remember the name of who could not be dodged whatsoever. After being cheaply killed by nonsense enemies and causing them to attack in a certain pattern, I could get passed them. The way to defeat the knight was seriously just to walk up to him and hit him a lot and hope he dies first since his attacks are impossible to avoid.

6-2 on the other hand takes the section from before the knight and adds a pile of enemies on a few platforms. Bird knocks you down, 1 shotted. You kill a bird, it comes back instantly, knocks you down, one shotted. Goblin is throwing shit at you while this all happens and he's standing at the edge of a platform. It's stupid. I quit at that point saying that even if I got to the demon, he has three forms and if I don't beat them all on my first go, then the game's going to duck me over by sending me back to 6-1 or 6-2 or whatever.

The trouble was getting all the way to the later levels to actually start memorizing those as well, dying as you learned in them, and then having to start completely over again.

This is the main problem. But you don't really have to be an above-average gamer to make it through. You just need to have a shitload of free time to waste away on a video game. It's like... is a memory game difficult? No. But if you have 500 cards and every time you get a guess wrong you have to start over, most people don't have the time for that.

But you don't really have to be an above-average gamer to make it through.

I have to disagree with you. Even with memorization, a lot of people simply don't have the reflexes for that.

Beating Battletoads isn't based on reflexes, though. In fact, if you start playing by reflexes, you're gonna fail hard. It's impossible. The whole thing is about knowing what's gonna happen next, so you can start reacting beforehand. That's the only way to make it through. Best examples of this would be the levels Volkmire's Inferno and Surf City, where there's literally no time to avoid the hazards unless you know what to do before said hazards appear.

The later part of Surf City, with the mines, is one of the few parts in the entire game where you do need skill and reflexes. But it's easy, proving as far as fair challenge goes, the game isn't difficult at all.

Eh, I played to 6-2 recently. That's when extremely punishing and stupid hard. comes in. Up until that point, the cheapest things were shitty enemy placement specifically to get you to fall. The only other section I can think of that was 6-2 levels of bullshit, but not as bad, was the one before that tall knight thing I can't remember the name of who could not be dodged whatsoever. After being cheaply killed by nonsense enemies and causing them to attack in a certain pattern, I could get passed them. The way to defeat the knight was seriously just to walk up to him and hit him a lot and hope he dies first since his attacks are impossible to avoid.

I can't believe everyone complains about that guy. I guess everyone except me just sucks at Ninja Gaiden. GET ON THE GODDAMN PILLAR THEN JUMP. You can dodge his lightning bolt attack every time.

But Ninja Gaiden definitely isn't a great example of good difficulty. It just throws a lot of shit at you from off screen, too quick to react to. The only reason I persevered with that game was the wicked cool soundtrack - very possibly the best melodies in any game ever.

I can't believe everyone complains about that guy. I guess everyone except me just sucks at Ninja Gaiden. GET ON THE GODDAMN PILLAR THEN JUMP. You can dodge his lightning bolt attack every time.

Nah, getting behind him and taking loads of damage as a result just to dodge the bolts sounds much less safe than just running up there and whacking him a bunch.

Beating Battletoads isn't based on reflexes, though.

How is reacting to the ramps before they show up not based on reflexes?

Nah, getting behind him and taking loads of damage as a result just to dodge the bolts sounds much less safe than just running up there and whacking him a bunch.

No, I mean get on the pillar and jump up when he attacks, the bolt won't hit you. Just whacking is definitely a viable tactic on this and several bosses, though, provided you got that far with enough health to spare.

Considering the room before Malth, it probably healed me when the fight started since my strategy was a close damage race I think.

Trying to jump behind him would make me lose health even more. So, nah.

How is reacting to the ramps before they show up not based on reflexes?

Because to use your reflexes you need to see what's ahead of you first. But if you know what's coming next, you can start reacting beforehand, which means you're not using your reflexes, but your memory. If you beat Turbo Tunnel on your first try without a single loss, then that'd be playing with your reflexes. But how many people have done that? I doubt anyone.

Though, with Turbo Tunnel I think it would still technically be possible. With Surf City and Volkmire's Inferno it's just legitimately impossible, cause once you see what's ahead of you, it's already too late. No matter how good reflexes you have.

Because to use your reflexes you need to see what's ahead of you first. But if you know what's coming next, you can start reacting beforehand, which means you're not using your reflexes, but your memory.

You do see what's ahead of you. The ramps and walls flash before they actually come at you. It's not like you're memorizing multiple in a row and then dodging based on that memory.

It's not like you're memorizing multiple in a row and then dodging based on that memory.

Yes, it is. That's exactly what you do, in fact. Try beating Volkmire's Inferno by only starting to react after you see what's ahead of you. It's not possible. If you only start moving after you see what's ahead of you, it's already too late. The way to beat it is to memorize every single part of the level, and use the background to know which part you're supposed to go to ahead of time.

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Should have gotten here sooner if you actually wanted to read it.

Why didn't we make a separate, "Hard Game" debate topic again?

The flame war poll is back, so now this thread is too.

Worst poll 1999-2998

Pretty sure it never left.

wut

Striker is actually right for once.

For once? C'mon man, you know I'm always right.

Mad Max: Fury Road is subpar.

Max has no character, growling in a ridiculous Christian Bale's ridiculous Batman voice voice. The chick is the real protagonist, and she's not much better. Her defining character traits are being relentless and having dipped her head into an oil barrel.

The action scenes look good, but since you don't care about any of the people, you don't care about any of what's going on; Action without emotional investment is just a bunch of guys jumping around. The only remotely sympathetic character was Knux (orwhateverthehellthatnamewas), and his story arc of becoming a good guy all of a sudden made no sense.

Yawn.

Hey! That's uncalled for! This time I did chance the poll...

change 'zands

Oh look, a flame war thread. Queen is overrated.

Seth and the Cast did nothing wrong.

how dare you, you seth apologist scum. the entire town of kernsin was threatened by those terrorists. king daniel should be heralded as a hero for sending those guards over.

i hope one day, you all wake up and realize how much of a psychopath your so called "great seth" was. ducking tragic. goddamn troglodytes.

Ooo war