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Umm...Sorry i take my post back kill Saddam and Osama and Alquaida and thats all!

no no no

Muslims are no worse than Bush. I even know some who are nicer. The religion issue, that's problem. But then again, the same goes for Bush's so called Christianity. If only there was no higher power people could use to justify their action.... wait, maybe there isn't.

You said: Bush ROCKZ! Let America kill some ******* muslimans!
Then you said: And why should all people die? There were a couple of million people around the world! The muslimans should pay for that!

Tell me this and I'll be glad: Why should muslims die then?

what was that phrase you were signing your posts?

peace!-Kory

THE WONDERFULL THING CALLED RACISM!

and why are ALL musilmans are bad?what did the old man,that is praying
in the temple do to you?oh yeah!I know
HE IS A MUSILMAN!that's right.Yes!Let's bomb IRAQ , because they did soooooooooo many bad things to us!

I said : no no no

I thought the major religion in Iraq is Islam. Actually there are two types of Islamic in Iraq the sunits and the shiats (don't know if the spelling is right). I forgot which one Saddam is but they rule over the other type of Islamic. Belive it or not the dominant religion that controls Iraq has fewer people than the other islamic religion type. Also there are the rebels (Kurdish) in Northern Iraq which hates Islamic but I heard they might side with America for freedom since they can't stand Saddam.

Anyways Bush gave saddam 48 hours to give up or they will strike. So if Saddam refuses, then you know what happens from there.

Kory, how come you hate muslims. Are there a lot of them in your home country?

I thought Bin Laden and Saddam Husein are enemies.

I may be right or wrong about these facts, but if I am wrong correct me please.

Peace!
DethLord

Yo guys! Bush ROCKZ! Let America kill some ******* Croatians! They deserve it because they are bad! YAHOO!!

Does anyone else think it is funny as all hell that Kory uses to word 'peace' in this topic?

LOL - He types Peace! and then adds (psst...who hates Osama Bin Laden try this link:...)

Yeah, that's pretty funny.

I really find it intriguing and annoying that ANYONE can just say that one race is wrong, or people who believe this or that religion is wrong, and so on. It's fecking unneccesary, Kory. I know many nice people who are muslims. Those who did that thing in NY and to the WTC, those were the extreme kind. Either they were psychopaths, people who cannot feel other's misery, and pain.. or they were brainwashed, totally manipulated. People that are weak minded. If so, they probably didn't want to do it, but they were manipulated to do so. This post is just, ONCE AGAIN, history repeating itself, with stupid racist idiots, like you, Kory. So shut the feck up, unless you have something better to say.

Even if this was a joke (as I COULD be tempted to believe of all your smileys), this is just WRONG.

I'm shocked that people can have such a racist attitude. It is digusting to find people distinguish between each other on the basis of religion and also encourage that attitude. You guys don't know how it feels, I live in a country in which communal riots have taken place, and believe me its not beautiful.

I take my post back because i realised that this was 100% rasistic! Sorry!

iraq and terrorist attacks on the US are in no way connected, but the powers at be saw this as a perfect opportunity (with the newfound patriotism and terrorist hype) to back a campaign to settle unfinnished business in the rest of the middle east and further its exploits in the region. it's idiots like you who think fighting saddam is fighting terrorism that are the reason for this war... but the fact that you are anti-muslim uncovers the fact that you are just a racist moron. islam is the second largest religion to christianity. you fukk with them and you arr the one who will be bombed.

yeah, you are right. Sorta. The main reason they targeted Iraq is because our eye's were opened. The truth be we thought we were invincible and nothing could touch us, well, we got touched. Now that we are taking out the people who touched us we saw that Saddam might also have the power to harm us, sure alot of people have the power to harm us, but only saddam would have the balls and insanity to use it. The truth be, the war with iraq can't be stopped, only put on hold, and the longer we wait, the worse it will be.....The War has allready started.

Sounds like a stupid Hollywood movie.
I bet It will have one of those "oh so patriotic predictable endings".

And the longer we wait, the worse it will be ... do you feel the tension ???

Coming Soon !

These radicals aren't muslim. Islam forbids violence, they are just having a dark age. ( I guess its thier turn.)
In ww2, the US developed nukes in 3 years. After, they pridicted USSR would take 9 years to follow suit. It took only 4. Saddam had a head start, and has had 12 years. I assume he has nukes. The delivery system needed to take them around the world reliably took much longer.
I don't think 911 was an attack at all. It was proof (by Osama) of a delivery system. Now I only pray it's not too late.

Everywhere there are idiots on all sides, this board has been an excellent example. Thankfully, most of us know who the idiots are and can laugh off their brainless comments.

MAD = mutually assured destruction. this is what you were hinting on. if certain dictators of iraq obtain nuclear weapons, they might strike on the USA and cause global anihilation. the situation will get worse as the so-called enemy gets more and more weapons.

this raises a few questions

what threat does iraq pose on the united states? i dont recall them ever attacking the united states. they invaded other nations that the US didnt want them to control, because the other nations happened to have certain corporate interests in the oil department that the US feared to loose.

NOW that the US attacked iraq and basically kicked their ass, they want to create more weapons to try to get some power back.

hitler said it that the only way he would have been stopped is if he was taken down in the beginning. but he united states really cared about stopping an oppressive resigme then WW2 would have ended a long time ago. there would be HUGE interventions in africa. what is the USs real intent?

i cant say if the war is right or wrong yet. people who either support or oppose it are full of shoot. they have no evidence that the war is helpful or hurtful because nothing has happened. the people of US not told the truth. all ive heard is excuses to try to get me to beleive iraq are the terrorist. but i no dang well that if this war is good it will only be a coincidence, cause the morals of US are not to help innocent people of other lands. it is appearent in history class where they try to teach me how good the US is.

and i mean WW2 would have ended a long time before it DID.

an interesting fact: america has the weapons and the power. america is the fascist resigme of this age. thank god we just want money and not to spread and force other nations to conform to our politics... hey, wait a minute...

A disccusion on war and i havent made several posts yet? well dang. I would like to say that this war is for the upper middle class of america! us working class foke are going over to make sure we bring back plenty of iraqi blood to power your SUVs . Wait did I say Iraqi blood, I ment oil thats for you; the BLood is for the robots that run the government thats their life source. its a well know fact that every 10 or so years the Republican robots upgrade their software and crave the blood of some other race of darker skinned peoples.

Bunniemaster i agree with u so much this war was made to get oil not to settle world peace.Think about it when was last time that USA was peaceful perhaps time they dropped a atom bomb on japan or perhaps the time they blew apart yugoslavia totaly.USA is peaceful when its good for USA not cuse the goverment wants to make the world a better place.

every 10 or so years the Republican robots upgrade their software and crave the blood of some other race of darker skinned peoples.

agreed totaly Racism has existed in USA many times ex:Segrigation

I hope u wont come flaming at me for what i said because thats my opinion

What I find funny is that Bush claims to be fighting Iraq to eliminate threat to world peace and mankind. But isin't the US the greatest threat to peace and to the survival of mankind by posessing more nuclear warheads than any other country? Think about it.

Blair you lapdog!
Blair will do anything he can to help Bush, even though Blair had to be woken up and told that Bush had attacked Iraq: Bush didn't even tell him.

let's go get some cake!

RustedSorrow´s "Let´s go get some cake!" is the first sane thing I have heard so far. I am soooo glad I live on Saturn.
You know, life is so short and even shorter for the ones who will be in the middle of this war (or any war). Why don´t people just leave each other in peace and get on with their short lives and try to enjoy it.
I have to say that I am worried about Bush because he seems a little fanatic and determined to get into the history books with a big bang!! Also, what I don´t like about Bush and people like him is that usually the US insists on being THE power and NOT needing anyone. And suddenly Bush slaps this ultimatum on the table, saying that "Who is not with him, is against him". Sounds like blackmail to me!
And Tony Blair should stay out of it. No one in Britain wants war, I am sure no one anywhere really wants a war, and Blair also seems determined to make his name by doing something very foolish.

Well I agree that saddam should be removed from leading Iraq (and definately his son) and some other persons take over power (but not scum like Bush and saddam). Also why don't they send some of their SEAL units (they have enough). If the CIA knows (i doubt it) where saddam is, he's ded in no time. Why start bombing those innocent people (well most of them are)?
Violence everywhere... well thats typical in nature ,animals do it (name one that doesn't), but mankind does it on a mass scale :s and thats whats so disturbing.
So I wish that they could take him out without killing innocent people and without america get power over IRAQ (no offence to US people but they own enough allready and should be gratefull with what they have).
Greetz,
Shampoo

Hehe... that reminds me...

In French class last week, we had a substitute teacher. And she was amazingly incredibly Republican and pro-war and just the most brainwashed-by-the-media person I've ever seen. She said (well, more like screech-yelled), "I don't know what those <censored> Frenchies are thinking. Blair is the only person in Europe with some <censored> common sense. I swear, we should just bomb the French while we're at it!"
And then she talked to the kids who are taking a trip to France this summer, and taught them how to say "I am proud of my country and my president, and the French smell of weasel droppings."

This coming from a thirty-year French teacher.*rant* I'm very anti-war, as you can tell... I mean that in general. I don't like war. I'm a pacifist.

Oh. Has everybody heard about "Freedom Toast" yet? I'm overly amused.

you know how many children die in iraq a year due to starvation? You know how many people saddam has killed because they had a opinion about him? Saddam controls the oil wells and hasn't tried to develope the machine needed to open them to their full ability, but yet attempts to develope bio chemical and weapons of mass destruction.

Pro-War, something has to be done. If you think this war is about anything else, you are wrong, we are just noticing potential threats and attempting to get rid of them before they can harm anyone.

The truth be people try to view america as be because we want to go to war and eliminate saddam, or take over the oil supply (not true), or anything else, but the truth is, it has to be done. In my opinion anyone who thinks otherwise needs to study history and military stradegy, you would see the Saddam is in a early stadge of 'Hitler', maybe not as bad, but still. War will come one way or the other. Last time Iraq got it's hands a a stash of weapons they started attacking people. SO you anti war people need to think, I know war is bad, but you have to take everything into consideration.

P.S. Try not to listin to the media too much...

And I suppose you know why the children are dying of starvation, right? US/UN imposed sanctions that were imposed after the Gulf War.

And who funded Saddam? Who gave him the capability to create biological weapons in his fight against Iran? The USA.

Saddam was never a good person, and yet the USA funded this tyrant because we didn't like Iran. And he sucked the big one, losing the war, and decided to battle Kuwait. But Papa USA decided that was bad.

And yet I'm for the war... if only to 'free' the people of Iraq from the stupid sanctions over the past 10 years. But it could (and probably will) go very badly... replacing one tyrant with a tyrant who does what ol' GWB says. Or maybe Saddam will send missiles over to Israel, and in turn cause WW III.

Check out this blog by a fellow in Iraq right now. And if that doesn't load (it isn't loading for me right now) see his rant. He's anti-war and anti-Saddam.

I'd argue with you, but we already debated this in another thread, so we probably don't need another...

Suffice to say, you don't understand what I was saying. I'm not just anti-this-war, I'm anti-all-war. War is never inevitable. There's always another solution, but it's usually just too much work, so our leaders decide "oh, the heck with it, let's just kill some thousands of innocent people and settle it that way!"
And I have considered everything, and I've decided that I'm against this.

Hrm... I'm curious (really), what would you have the US do after Pearl Harbor was attacked in 1941? Not fight? Allow Japan and Germany to take over the world? Or is that an exemption to your 'anti-all-war' stance?

Yes, the other solution would be to surrender and let anyone have their way with you. Like it or not, there's always someone who's going to take advantage of you through force if you're unwilling to fight back. To think otherwise is foolish.

After all, pacifism is generally something that only those who have had the luxury of living safe and comfortably under the protection of others can afford. When faced with a ruthless enemy, it is useless.

There is always another solution, true. But another possible solution? But human nature isn't friendly with these other solutions. Just because you see something as a solution doesn't mean the other side shares your view. A solution that all opposing sides cannot agree with is no solution at all.

However, I agree that this war is based more upon self-interest rather than the best solution. Selfish fellows. We'll see though, soon enough.

Yes. Think about it.

If you put it in terms of who has the most weapons and power, yes, the U.S. is the biggest threat. But, in terms of tyranny and as a threat to the people of the world, and as terrorism, then U.S. is not. Iraq is a threat because they will not allow us to check their factories for chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons, and also very probable connections with terroists.

Just because I have a gun doesn't mean I'll shoot you with it if we get into an argument.

Ah, trying to trick me, are we.

I think that's different. Not an "exemption", but circumstances were different. I guess I should be a little pickier on stating my stance: I'm anti-all war, on the basis that war is bad and I don't like the idea of people dying, but I especially am anti-unprovoked war. In 1941, we were deliberately provoked into fighting, and it was, like you said, either fight or let Japan and Germany conquer.

This is not "either fight or let Iraq conquer". I think we still would have had some peaceful options, had Bush not sort of pushed us into this. Obviously, now we have to, we can't really just back out. But I still don't like it.
Random cat face!

Ok Alli, lets wait for Iraq to attack other countries like they did 10 years ago and after people die, then we will fight..sounds good.

Actualy it was 12 years ago

Anyway, a fight with Iraq was inviteable for long while now, it was just a question of time before Saddam was attacked.

By the way, have you noticed that this war has began at the same time of the year in which the last war with Iraq ended?! I would know, since we celebrate 'Poorim' here in Israel, the last war ended at the first day of the holyday, and now this war starts exactly a day after it ends.

cake!

They're trying to LIBERATE Iraq, I would think that's a good thing. Saddam TORTURED people who gave negative opinion on his form of government, I would think that's a bad thing.

I just thought of something amusing.. what if... what if someone wanted to check the US for weaponry? Would the US allow that, you think? You really think? - Nah. So I understand Saddam on exactly that part. Actually.

yeah! imagine the 14'th division: a solider shoots a tiny little ball like this: . and a whole tank goes BOOM!

this war is scaring me bigtime
Why can't we just fight only virtual wars. Quake or something? Or an online version of Dink?

people draw these sorts of conclusions against war from looking at past war. the media is the thing making people hyped up, hoorah USA, about bombing iraq. this is a coincidence and an excuse that iraq can be "liberated" look at why, as redink showed, iraq is in this situation. it reminds me of how the US GAVE WHAT WAS THE TALIBAN WEAPONS TO FIGHT RUSSIA. america does this little game of what is a threat to america (commies, anti democratic governments) and totally oblivious to the truth and the real enemy and what the consequences of the actions are. people starve everywhere. you are probably sheltered to it. i can go to the city and see thousands of sick diseased junkies and hungry people. africa has had civil wars where tons of people and babies die every day. the matter is not to liberate or improve and the eliminating threats are selfish and stupid. i havent heard of iraq setting off any MASS DESTRUCTION. yet you are still convinced that iraq is dangerous to america. its a matter of social and political control. that fact that innocent peoples lives may be improved is a coincidence.

when a real threat is seen, action needs to be taken. like WW2 which was a major fudge up by america to ignore for so long and have to go and face that. but this is nothing the same. this is a joke.

just some of my thoughts.

But does the U.S. pose a threat to the world like Iraq does? Oh wait. Yes. An even bigger one.

I agree with josh... for the most part.

Though I'm not going to express myself. I really don't think I know enough about the situation to open my fat flap.

Tal: That's the first smart thing I've read... The less open flaps the better(Open flaps is probly how the war started..lol)

Not all of them are bad and not all of them are good, it doesn't matter anyway(unless you live in Iraq or Afgan country) because being rude to a bad one isn't going to make them better. I think that the people that don't have the smarts to realize that are the ones that should be thrown out of the country, they just cloud the judgement of the smart ones(not to mention electing more sdupid people to office) and make it harder for the rest of us to get the bad guys(because then all of them get defencive, and defencive looks guilty)! I wasn't able to grasp the right words so it probubly doesn't make much sence, but oh well.

no! there is all ready enough radioactivity over there from desert Storm, cause we used radioactive bullets (depleated uranium)

I agree with blackduke we should have a virtual war though its already easy to see that ill kick all there taliban A$$es.
About WW2 do u think america would go to war if there wasnt a pearl harbor? and what america did wasnt that huge USA just sold a lot of weapons to the allies in european theater.But truly people should keep there flaps closed and stop being racists ((like hitler)) maybe then we can have a peaceful world.

I can only say that Saddam doesnt stand a chance VS. America. Because he is traped. And the Iraq people are so poor because Saddam isa a Fu***ing Tyran!
Bomb bomb bomb-bomb bomb-Iraq
PEACE!
PEACE!
PEACE!

So if that constitutes peace, then shoving my foot up your rectum is peaceful?

Yes, and Kory, every post you do with that dang "peace! " crap in it is going to get deleted. Oh, and please try to grow a few brain cells if at all possible.

>So if that constitutes peace, then shoving my foot up your rectum is peaceful?

No, but it would do a world of good.

The other day some yuppie asked my social problems teacher "Are the Iraqis ever going to fight back?"
and I sarcasticaly snapped on him and said "with what their b-b guns and russian tanks from the 70's?" he then ignorantly said "why dont they use any of their nukes??" at about this time i could have killed him in a blind rage but i said "Because they dont have any you moron" and my teacher jumped in and said "yeah that country is virtually defenseless"

I realy love the blind ignorance and hate the american school system and mass media pumps in to the youth.

You Americans don't need to be so hard on your own country. Do hold it accountable though. The US has thousands of prisoners from Afganisan and other related places. I'm sure most of them spit at thier jailers daily, but some are telling the US govt. everything they know. We the people hear nothing of what is realy going on. That is a problem. When this war is over we will probably thank GW Bush for handling Hussien, then demand he resign for how arrogantly and ignorently he handled his allies and his own people. He knows if this war is right or wrong, we have a right to know too. As for the US being a tyrant and dictatorship?. We in the west can't even relate. But a Muslim friend of mine came here from Africa To get away from the crazies!

Iteresting fact about the Iran - Iraq war: the USA sold weapons to BOTH sides, i wonder just how much monney we mase from that, i wonder how many people died from that.

If you want to read my long anti-war rant read my blog titled "I HATE BUSH"

Great... that's all this thread needs, a pointer to more vapidity.

*mass swearing/flaming ahead*

Hey Flatline, you just proved you are a fudgeing moron in that blog, why don't you read up on all the crap that saddam did to his people, if you think we shouldn't take him out of power, you are a idiot. The UN is the world police, but notice that we are part of the UN, along with Britian, and both of us are fighting, so lets see, we are part of this "police force" and we are fighting..makes perfect sense to me.

If you don't like this country, I will pay to have your ass sent to Iraq you unpatriotic kitty.

With all the pro-war and anti-war diehards who refuse to listen to a single word from their opponents, we've practically formed yet another war.

Listen! Use the whole truth to form the educated opinion.

If you don't like this country, I will pay to have your ass sent to Iraq you unpatriotic kitty.

Um... hello Saddam junior! Yep, the US is best country in the world, we love freedom, and we need to go save the people of Iraq from Saddam, who imprisons and kills those people who criticize his country... oh, wait? Someone in American is being unpatriotic? KILL HIM AND KICK HIS ASS OUT OF THE COUNTRY.

*note: above paragraph was sarcasm.

Hey, dill-hole asked for it. You respect the leader of this country, he was elected by the people and therfore been give the title as our leader. Don't like it, too bad. All I am saying is if you don't like our country, go somewhere else. Go to canada, they do nothing. Personally, I know people who have died so you can sit there and she dog about this war, and the ones that I know who didn't die would like to shoot you right now for not knowing what it is like. War is bad, but it is neccissary.

Personally, I know people who have died so you can sit there and she dog about this war...

Right. They died to preserve the freedom of the United States. And you want to befoul their deaths by wishing all those who don't agree with your pro-American viewpoint to leave America? How does that make any sense?

look i respect the millitary and the brave things they are doing, just not the presedent who is throwing them around with no respect for human life.

>Right. They died to preserve the freedom of the United States. And you want to befoul their deaths by wishing all those who don't agree with your pro-American viewpoint to leave America? How does that make any sense?
sounds like democracy to me </sarcasm> well, at least the kind that Iraq will end up with

Exactly!! Lets sacrifice the President!!

>Exactly!! Lets sacrifice the President!!
No matter how much i hate him, its still illeagal to even say things like that. *nods to secert aagent* book him.

*peruses through the Yellow Pages searching for a man named "Secert Aagent"*

In response to WC's post.

You don't HAVE to respect anything in this country. In a democracy, everybody has their own opinions, so YOU go to a different country for telling somebody for having an different opinion than you to go to another country.

You respect the leader of this country, he was elected by the people and therfore been give the title as our leader. Don't like it, too bad. All I am saying is if you don't like our country, go somewhere else.

<rant>Do you realize that you just completey contradicted yourself? You're standing up for a country where everyone supposedly has freedom of speech and freedom to think and say whatever they want, and now because someone doesn't think the same way as you or the government, you want to get rid of them? I'm pretty dang sure that's not what freedom of speech entails.

If we don't like it, go somewhere else? So if people 200 years ago in the Colonies didn't like being mildly taxed, they should have just gone somewhere else? If the French didn't like being led by a monarchy, they should have just gone somewhere else?

Um, no. People have the right to stand up for what they believe in and try to change things. If *you* don't like *that*, then you should "go somewhere else", because this is a country where we have that right.</rant>

*applauds*

Gore had the popular vote, not Bush, he shouldn't have even be in office. We probably wouldn't have half of the problems we have now.

Very true. About 200 000 people were denied thier right to vote when Bush was "picked".
If I were paranoid, I might think he was selected just to fight this war.
Naww........

meh... i've been kinda away from the boards for a while.. and i'm too lazy to flame all the morons and don't have time to read their drivel.. so uh, just assume that right now, if you're an idiot, i'm calling you an idiot.

Comment from WC: If you don´t like our country, go somewhere else...

Dear WC, that is NOT the way to talk. Just because you don´t agree with everything that is going on in your country doesn´t mean that you don´t love your country. And telling someone to go someplace else then, is downright rude. I have lived in another country for several years (and I don´´t mean a country far far away, but an neighbouring country) and just because I once had an argument with someone, that person said: Why don´t you go back where you came from. Now THAT was sooooo immature, it was not even worth a reply!!

dude give me some money, ill go to the bahamas.

actually taking a stand against the actions of a single president is way more patriotic than agreeing without question. have he lost the meaning of democracy? we want some ass going and whacking off in places without going to the UN, congress, whatever? the reason bush went to war is he claimed some fudgein anti-terrorist bill gave him the right to fight terrorist when peacefull means have been exausted. just like his daddy, going to war unconstitutionally. its crap. that is not america. that is not patriotic. burning the flag in this day and age is patriotic. at least it says something positive.

but i think saddam is an asshole too. i dont think bagdad should be bombed and i dont think the people of iraq should be subject to US domination, rape, and ruin just to be conformed into another state that will come back and hurt us like afganistan.

I'm from England, pro-war and all pro-war, I don't know WHY but that's just the way I am isn't it.

Anyway... let's get this right... Many British Commando's have already been killed in Iraq, and the vast majority of those deaths were friendly fire and 'Accidents'. I mean a bloody US Patriot missile shot down one of our Tornados. US helicopter pilots got the crew killed.. twice. More and more friendly fire as the war burns on, even one of our bloody Telivision Presenters from the BBC were killed in a land rover clearly marked TV all over it due to American friendly fire.

Although pro-war I do think the war needed to be thought out alot more. Yes Sadaam needs to be removed from power, and yes we're closer and closer to him as the days pass but how many Allied deaths have been the cause of friendly fire or 'Accidents' and you really do build a picture of how well this campaign's been thought out...

As for our Tony Blair, my parents voted for him 2 years running and in my opinion he hasn't done a bad job, but you are starting to see a pattern of him + Bush.

For Bush I think what he's doing is right, but with a little more thought it could be better...

Oh well, nothing's going to change my mind, pro-war all the way.

AND what does it matter? The war's already going ahead and nothing we say is going to change that, so in theory there's really no need for this thread which has been filled with quite alot of bollocks.

Yeah Alli, agree with you, bomb the French

It is true that the U.S has killed more British troops than Iraq has...but that's one of the terrible things about war...it just happens (though it shouldn't).
But Tony Blair is a fool when it comes to the U.S. He is fine at other things, but is too busy trying to push his nose further up Bush's backside to realize what a cretin he is.
How about we all go and live under the sea? Or better yet, in a yellow submarine (so you non-fishes don't drown).

In all wars before Korea, about 25% of casualties in war were from friendly fire. (War is hell) It could be avoided with high altitude bombing, but at the expense of civilians. You don't need to be ashamed of supporting the war , but you'd better do some soul- searching and think about why, otherwise its just more bloodlust, and the world already has enough of that.

*YAWN*
Why don't you all just stop talking about this huge and terrible "war", it is chattered about just enough in the media.

Ok people, scratcher has spoken, now let's stop talking about it!

Leave it up to horrible mistakes to lead up to WW3. If you think I'm exaggerating, just think about it. The US hates France, North Korea looks like the next Nazi germany, Russia has nukes with countries wanting to buy them, there are already becoming tensions between the US and Canada, the irish still hate the UK, and there have been enough vietnam and other worthless wars that the US got involved in to make all the countries in the world to hate us and will probably lead to our own demise. I may sound pessimistic, but if bush even thought half of the time, he might care what they think instead of waiting for them to agree with him. He is such a dumbass pres, he once said the US was a part of Europe. Also, he said that it was time for the human race to enter the solar system. I guess about half of my country was stupid enough to vote for him. This is where partisanship gets you. And I have said my part, thank you.

He is such a dumbass pres, he once said the US was a part of Europe. Also, he said that it was time for the human race to enter the solar system.

I really, really doubt he said these things, and if he did, they were merely slips of the tongue. Imagine having everything you say in public being recorded and ridiculed.

Yes, I know i've said stupid things, but he is obviously no C- student. He went to Harvard, you'd think he would be a lot smarter with the words he said. Daddy bought his grades. Or maybe not, I guess a lot of people have gone to college and high school, passed and still don't know where the US is on the geograohy map. Unfortunately at least 60% or so of the population is stupid in America. I'm glad North Dakota isn't that stupid as a whole. If you don't want to have everything you say publicly recorded or ridiculed, you shouldn't be in politics. And you might not have heard those comments because he said most of his stupid ones while his father was in office.

WHOA.

I was being *sarcastic*. I was *mocking* that idiot teacher. In no way do I advocate actually bombing the French. SARCASM. Lots of it. Hence why I called her brainwashed by the media. No bombing of anybody.

I never said you wanted to bomb the french, but congress wants to change everything into freedom instead of french. I just think the republican congress started war too easily, and will only be a matter of time before the entire middle east wants to kill us and so will Asia and "old europe".

She wasn't replying to you; she was replying to Morpheus. Perhaps the way you choose to view messages on the board misled you.

I guess one thing that could make it worse if the KKK was at an all time high of members. They would find more and more targets to blame irresponsibly for war, 9/11, etc. Oops! I didn't notice morpheus say anything about the french.

Why's it always me that go's unnoticed Anyway I was sarcastic too... or was I...

I think Iraq's fallen really low now though, suicide bombed US troops. Now that's just pure evil...

Actually, I'm quite sure that he is alive and well in the U.S.

Here is a list of the countries that the US has
bombed
since the end of
World War II, compiled by historian William Blum:
China 1945-46
Korea 1959-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Congo 1964
Peru 1964
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Grenada 1983
Libya 1986
ElSalvador 1980's
Nicaragua 1980's
Panama 1989
Iraq 1991-99
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999
In how many of these instances did a democratic
government, respectful
of
human rights, arise as a direct result?

>In how many of these instances did a democratic
government, respectful
of
human rights, arise as a direct result?

*buzzes in*
zero (0), now whatta i win

I'm guessing at least 30 people who served for America has lost their lives in the war of Iraq. The most casualties in any war for America is the Civil war in which 650,000 Americans had lost their lives.

Now what I don't understand is America should've won the Vietnam war. Even though they lost 50,000 troops compared to 2 million on the North Vietnam side, America should not quit. I have a feeling this war might last more than 6 months.

Since I don't have an opinion on which side to take on the war, I decided to stay neutral on it.

http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/opinion/0902/29bookman.html
It says America has been thrust into the role of world police, and current leaders are persuing that. I think the world would be better for it!.But I'm not convinced at all it would be as good for America. Why do I have faith in America? My country shares a border 8900km long with America. Trade across that border now exeeds $1million per minute ! And it is the longest unfortified border in history. And we live in peace.(good thing, the Canadian army has firepower equal to the california highway patrol. )
But I'll sure be glad when Bush in finally gone.
(Oh, ya. with farmer we have the military might of the US coast guard)

Did you count in all the farmers with unregistered guns? That would help a bit. Probably about 3x..

wanna know the largest act of TERRORISM of all time past present future (until A.nuclear winter B.sun goes out)

hirosima + nagasaki.

i hate bush, i hate his fudgeing administration, i hate his fudgeing rich bigoted laws, his fudgeing rich political wing, his fudgeing rich party, his family, his friends, his pals who have never been in a ghetto or homeless shelter, his ideology, his drug damaged cabbage, his cars, his life, his rascism, his perversion, his history, his legacy, his name, his fudgeing tyranny to freedom, by all means someone needs to shoot him in the head at point blank and boil his ass in an oil well in iran.

i vote to bring the EZLN to america and kill every last opressing rich asshole and bury them in a pile of their own money.

HUMANS need government. reguardless of what marx and the anarchist say, humans are too greedy, selfish, ignorant and just evil to live free. it is not possible. the thing is government just takes that role of being greedy selfish ignorant and evil once these types of people control it. so the answer is yes anarchism is the solution but no it is not possible. our race will wipe itself out. we are all living examples of our own fate. it is the greatest irony.

anarchy wouldn't work but comunism as Marx described it (not the way that it was in the USSR) can, if people join together it could be a better place for eveyone

WORKERS OF ALL CONTRIES, UNITE!

>WORKERS OF ALL CONTRIES, UNITE!

...but first, it might be best to get some kind of education so you can learn how to spell.

Bingo

Now this thread's fudgeing massive... Maybe we should lock it up as it gets a bit outta hand. Anything we say now isn't going to stop the war, it's happening. Live with it...

I did say MAYBE, if you think that's such a bad idea

i talk about it not cause im trying to stop a war. people can make a difference in stopping war but mostly you just get your ass kicked. i talk about war to pass the time. i enjoy it. you seem to spend the time reading and thats why i will write. this is how we learn, and its better than adding to my STD collection or raising my alcohal tolerance level.

communism as marx described it IS anarchy. no political state whatsoever. they are the same. how the USSR did it was totalitarian fascism, the fact that the russian government called it communism only made the idealogy of communism appear as bleak.

real communism is a society with no class and no state, in other words total equality. the only slight difference is how the utopia is achieved, but the common goal is the same thing.

the natives of america were socialist/anarchist/communist whatever you wanna call it, a clear example of why it will fail with our overpopulation, technology, and corrupted morals and beliefs. only a willing population can achieve peace and anarchy, which then makes it vulnerable to other "developing" greedy diseases/parasites called civilizations. without violence you cant knock over the tower and start over. genocide would bring about peace. war, on a large enough scale, would bring about peace. but the way the world is, things are just going to get worse. and the way the world is, war is only going to make things worse. we really cant win.

But that's just it, people *wont* join together for the good of everyone. Human nature doesn't work that way. Whether you admit it or not, you're looking out for YOU, not the good of humanity. Nothing will change human nature, so Communism will never work.

Alli,
yes and no, while i do look out for myself first i know that i also do work for more than just me, i have no problem doing a little extra for nothing more, in fact i feel happiest when i am working harder than the rest of a team (in hard labor type jobs that is) I want to be able to do work that will not only get me money but help humanity. Comunism DID work before Capitalism was formed, and in a world where everyoneone but the now extremly rich would be better off, it *could* work.
However it won't work if there is no agreed apon aproach to things BEFORE the actual movement starts taking control.
We have nothing but our chains to lose and a whole world to gain.

Give me a few examples of times when communism worked properly...

And it won't work. If you have a group of honest, hard working people, one of them will become corrupt and want more. One will want power, and that one will corrupt others and begin to make them want power. A communist society would work in a VERY SMALL country, perhaps, with only like a few hundred people, where they're *forced* to work together for the benefit of all of them. But consentually? No. Someone will always desire more power, more food, more whatever.
We have a whole world to gain? Yes, and then a whole world to be conquered by someone who decides they don't believe in the cause.

how about africa for a long long time, pirates, eskimos, evem europe when there were tribes and such. these were all socialist groups. some had leaders, but they were acknowledged by a small group of willing people, and there defenatley were not governments to control and manipulate any mass of people or corporations to exploit pollute and destroy.

you look at them though, the world was less populated. there was no structured economy. there was no technology. but there was still violence. lots of it, in some ways bloodier, less "humane" less "tame" less run-of-the-mill sit in an office and blow the fudge out of little kids, its not wrong if i dont see it done with my own two hands, business as usual america. the violence is not a product of government, it is product of PEOPLE. INDIVIDUALS. marx said it was a product of power, that is where he was wrong.

people are evil, people are wrong. sinners. people suck. people are a plague to nature. we are a parasite to the earth, ground, water. look what we have done to the earth throughout the years. and when the "resources" run out, the parasite will die off.

communism as it existed can never be here again. this human nature to destroy, when mixed with overpopulation and technology is a deadly coktail. we cant stop this way of life we have built up around us. it is part of us, like our skeleton. it doesnt belong to us; it IS us. we need it. you take it away, and we will die. the sad sad truth.

people can spend their time wanting, and hoping. if it makes you happy go ahead. but if you search for the truth, the only truth you will find is that you can never truly comprehend. by the time you start figuring things out, what you realize is that you spent your whole life passing down a fudgeed up role to your children. but you cant take it back. and you cant change the world.

"we have nothing but our chains to loose"

man, open your eyes. what are you thinking? we are going to off a couple 3 billion people and create a communism that will adopt into another cycle of capitalism like it has over the past 2000 years? you cant. people like you say look at the truth. you say life is ignorant. people are trained. well thats better then making up your own truth, your own facts just because you dont want to accept how fudgeed up you are. you see the truth man, look at what is around you. look at the details of your own life. only when you take a step back, fudge all these "ideals" "politics" people try to stuff down your throat, and open your own eyes. its all bullshoot. dont let these thoughts control you. dont let this notion of freedom control your life. make the best of what you can cause its not gonna be free. its like a girl you can have that you will just get more pissed off thinking about. this is how people get pissed off and blow up buildings full of innocent people. you dont have the answers. you are only a weak pathetic slave to the machine of hell. you are disturbed since birth, and your little excuses make me nauseous. it makes me sick. your cute slogans are not going to save you.

Joshriot, how do you know what the human nature is? You can't say human nature is something when it isn't. It it the way the people in USA think. Because society defines this, not human nature. And why don't you think it would be better with communism. Say, for example, in USA everybody would gain 30,000 per MONTH if there was equal division. I guess this is much better than a person gaining 4,500 per month and another gaining 700,000.

I meant examples in Western Civilization that have worked. I agree that it can work in small groups of people, perhaps even with limited technology.

The thing is, Communism, or pure equality among all, is a perfect government. Humans aren't perfect. So naturally, It doesn't work for us. For us, monarchy would probably be the most efficient form of government. The problem is that not everybody is going to be happy and the leader doesn't have to consider other people's rights and it all screws up. So for Americans, democracy is somewhat ineffecient, but when we aren't in war or some gigantic event, it keeps most everyone happy.

Hm. Okay. So basically, to hell with everybody and everything. That was selfish.

Let's assume that you are accurate. What do you do? What do we do? If all this is true, then we are all in a hole, and you are showing us the light. But there's no way to get there. Is this what you wanted? You want to spend the rest of your time in this hole whining and complaining about how everybody is evil in nature? About how you can't comprehend the "truth"? So, we've attained enlightenment. A lifetime of she doging, whining, she doging, and repetition, about how you CAN'T. Well you and your enlightenment can go screw each other then, because it's not that I can't accept your truths, it's that YOU yourself choose not to take the initiative of bettering the world, because you're too lazy to, or whatever crap reason you can come up with.

It wouldn't be better because it wouldn't work! Someone would mess it up. Human nature denies perfection. WE REJECT PERFECTION. We crave it, but we cannot have it. Sure, communism is perfect. It is ideal. Every person is happy and healthy (and in actual communist society there is no money...). But it cannot be attained because we won't let it.

We cannot know. Human nature is not known.

i am pointing out the holes we will never get out of, yes. i am pointing out the TRUTH. i dont think you should spend your life thinking about what you CANT do. thats what communism is, thinking about what you cant do. what humanity is not capable of. we cannot retrograde without genocide and TNT. we cannot establish perfection and anarchy and freedom. i just see that fact. and the whining number is the lamest thing to bring up on a message board. just think about that for a little bit.

i dont try not to better myself. thats all you can do, and you start by seeing the truth. you start by UNLEARNING. and questioning. that is how you become a better person. whether or not the world is changed is not up to me or possible for me to achieve. if everyone thought like me, yes, there would be anarchy, but my flaws would have something else totally fudgeed up. but every person has different flaws. flawed people control us. i can say how human nature is because it is apparent. it is obvious. it is the truth. i am not the one denying.

the moral of the lesson is that you cant change the world and it is not going to be changed. so have fun with what you can. spend your time doing what you want to do. free your own mind. make the most of your life. carpe diem and shoot. dont get caught up in this liberal bullshoot or this right wing bullshoot or this communist bullshoot or capitalist or whatever. realize its all a big joke. people suck. people are dying. everywhere confused. excuses suck. i suck. but i know it and I DONT CARE.

AND thats because i dont give a shoot about this mortal life. i dont give a shoot about it at all. otherwise i would not live it. it is obviously crap. people hold on to life by this false HOPE because they are AFRAID. i dont need to. what gets me through life is my pain. that is the only feeling that i am real and i am doing something right. thats what makes me human. fudge, i can think of a million reasons to shoot myself in the head. but i dont, because of the few reasons that make life worth living. and im going to make you pee in your pants right now. the main reason is my faith in god. when i feel pain, i feel god reaching into my soul, telling me everything is alright, healing my soul, taking away the pain, making my not give a fudge, making me feel sane, making me feel normal in this shoothole. you cant win. you really cant win.

That's like saying that dog nature is not known. We know (technicalities of "my doggy loves me" and such aside ) that dogs want food. Food is what most dogs pursue throughout their lives. People pursue power. Therefore, human nature is known. We've proved time and time again that people desire power, strength, wealth... something to make them more powerful.
If this wasn't true, then we wouldn't have wars, we would never have had monarchies or dictatorships, feudalism (a system based on human greed) would not have existed.

dammit, youve made me hungry. i want dog food. well anyway i just wanted to add that you shouldnt listen to a word i say. its just my one point of view in this infinite world. find your own beliefs. my point is just dont listen to idealogies or anything fabulous like that. question them, because they are just as scripted as any other. people take facts and ignore others for their own emotional stability. people cant handle being lost and confused and not understanding. people need to belong and have a home. thats what makes you feel so lonely and worthless when you try to be yourself. but if believing this life makes you happy then do it. not everybody needs to be a radical or a philosopher or whatever. sometimes its hard enough being human.

allikiten: But that is not human nature. This greed is the result of the development of our society through the years. And the result of this greed was the greediest system: capitalism.

NO, capitalism is a fairer system of greed IMHO than monachy where the greedy were restricted to a few.
But as I have not read the previous ~35 posts before this last one, I may be mistaken.

>allikiten: But that is not human nature. This greed is the result of the development of our society through the years. And the result of this greed was the greediest system: capitalism.

true that. very true. If we weren't capitalists we wouldn't be as greedy, we wouldn't have someone that was richer to look up at and say, whoah i want to be like that. comunism has never truely happenned and was never technicaly attempted, so you can't say that it doesn't work.

Yes it is... if greed weren't human nature, then society wouldn't have developed with it over the years.

For the sake of everyone else's sanity and for the sake of the brevity of this thread (whoops, too late...), I'm done arguing. Allow me to finish with this: because we have created capitalism in the first place, we have proven that we are too greedy to allow communism to work. *~*Fini*~*

This might be the longest thread in DN board history.

I know, I wana delete the dang thing before MySQL crys in pain.

All this for a little immature comment

lol

Hey gus do you think i should get a reward for making a topic that is the most replyed?

No.

You've gone over the same selfish, subjective ideas again. Do you question everything and everybody but yourself? Everybody changes the world, as naive and dumb as that may sound. But eh, I'm not going into the cyclical idea of everything..

Anyways, the world is how you choose to perceive it. You can either view it as a place of endless wonder and oppurtunity, a place of bottomless despair and limitations, or anything in between. YOU choose for yourself which to view it as.

Your statements about this 'mortal life' is crap. People who have come to their own conclusion that there is an afterlife do so only as an excuse not to live this life. They do so only because they fear death. You first presuppose an afterlife. Well, fudge that. You don't care? Do this then: Imagine that there is nothing after your death. No afterlife, no reincarnation. None of your excuses to not do what you want right now. Nothing. Imagine how old you already are. Forget about your God, who, making the presupposition that he exists, is to blame for everything you hate, probably hates you for who you really are. Then you'll care. But before you do that, don't you dare claim that you are preaching the "truth". You are the one denying. You're denying everybody, and most of all, you're denying yourself.

You can choose apathy or empathy. You can, instead of sitting on the road, clutching stubbornly to..whatever you think you have, improve your forever incomplete conviction. You can accept or reject society, regardless of whatever or not you agree with it. You CAN. And in that, in yourself, you can and do change the world.

But whatever, do what you want.

fudgeing award of the MOST replied topic Rat.

No you shouldn't. It isn't something to be proud of, getting all of these replies because you posted an immature comment to kill all iraqis. Don't be so stupid and think before you post

No, not a reward... a punishment

Yes, infact, the next person who posts in this topic, get banned for a week. Think I am kidding? Post and find out.

*yawn*

huh?

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Ahem...i was false in posting that I really think that Saddam should be killed only and spare the civilians, because the Americans want naft tanks and they use it against Saddam like that he has ultimate weapons or something....but Saddam should die because he is a TYRAN!! And he killed his own people by throwing a nuclear bomb or something.

im not trying to be selfish or anything at all. i am just sharing my beliefs, thats all. you dont have to like em, but how can you say i am wrong and you are right? you cant. there is no truth. humans are weak and insignificant. you cant find the answers. that is the intelligent thing to realize. my belief in god has nothing to do with my arguments. i simply mentioned that he is my only reason for life. and i am perfectly comfortable with dying. i have nothing to clutch onto in the world. i have nothing to be greedy about. i dont care. i really dont. i just pass the time. i just go with the flow, you know. its all peace. its all just cresent fresh. one day i think people will be perfect, and people will find the answers. just unlike marxism i realize humans are flawed and asses and we will all die. that is what i argue. ive never tried to push any form of spirtual belief in my arguments cause basically that is just something you feel, you cant be objective about it. i just say the world is garbage, and it is doomed. you say im afraid to die. that is lame. i could care less about life, or death. its people who are afraid to die who want to believe that they are in control of their own life. well you are not. my hope is not based on what is logically wrong. yours is. that is the difference. its a joke. hahahah. life is just a joke. wouldnt that be funny? life is really just a paradox. and you would not believe how many times ive seen that point of view before. i am much more comfortable with mine, but your call. being a free country and everything.

hey, i think this post is cool. its like, pretty cool, cause the only kids with no lives who spend the time reading it are us. i cant immagine a teacher or politician or priest or journelist or whatever from the media coming here and seeing how their children are learning on the internet. oh no, they would have to make it illegal or something. and peein their pants.

he killed his own people by throwing a nuclear bomb or something

Why not actually KNOW what you're talking about before you post something? That's not exactly what he did.. He's done a lot, but to summarize it, he's been terrorizing his own people for roughly 30 years now. By torture, threats, and other cruel things he kept "his own people" terrified of waking up in the morning. But I don't think he ever threw a nuclear bomb anyplace.

At first I was worried.
Once they uncovered chemical bombs, I suddenly fealt a lot better. i'm pretty sure it's all under control now...

Let this post die already.

*bump*

I guess that was the evil thing to do.

Yes, it was. No way this particular beast is coming back from the grave.