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December 20th 2002, 03:56 PM
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redink1
King Male United States xbox steam bloop
A mother ducking wizard 
The "I LOVE CHRISTMAS" or whatever thread will be gone soon... the board's delete function seems to be having a fit, and I accidently removed two innocent posts. Sorry 'bout that.

A few reminders/nuggets of holly information:

*) redink2 appears to be Lucifer... I could do some more involved checking, but I simply don't feel like wasting my time.

*) I don't care if you post anything off-topic or whatever... once you go into the realm of blatant flaming/racism, you cross the line. Cross the line twice, and you'll be missing a few virtual appendages.
December 20th 2002, 04:31 PM
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WC
Peasant Male United States
Destroying noobs since 1999. 
Woohoo, finally, I don't have to do all the yelling and b***hing!

--WC
December 20th 2002, 04:33 PM
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WC
Peasant Male United States
Destroying noobs since 1999. 
Oh, and both ip's for both redink2 and lucifer come back to croatia.

--WC
December 20th 2002, 04:40 PM
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Phoenix
Peasant Male Norway steam
Back from the ashes 
: *) redink2 appears to be Lucifer... I could do some more involved checking, but I simply don't feel like wasting my time.

Well, you should, cause it is illegal to have two accounts, your very own rules say it.
December 20th 2002, 05:32 PM
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WC
Peasant Male United States
Destroying noobs since 1999. 
Look at it this way. How many ISP's are in coacia? Not many. It is possible that two people from that country. with the same ISP's are on the network and have two diffrent accounts with us. Unless there is totally valid evidence, we shall do nothing.

--WC
December 20th 2002, 05:47 PM
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trav666
Peasant Male
 
: Look at it this way. How many ISP's are in coacia? Not many. It is possible that two people from that country. with the same ISP's are on the network and have two diffrent accounts with us. Unless there is totally valid evidence, we shall do nothing.

: --WC

well, who cares anyway? is a person having 2 accounts damaging to our minds or this board? besides, would anyof you admins file a lawsuit or anything anyway?

December 20th 2002, 05:56 PM
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: : Look at it this way. How many ISP's are in coacia? Not many. It is possible that two people from that country. with the same ISP's are on the network and have two diffrent accounts with us. Unless there is totally valid evidence, we shall do nothing.

: : --WC

: well, who cares anyway? is a person having 2 accounts damaging to our minds or this board? besides, would anyof you admins file a lawsuit or anything anyway?

If we gave you the reasons you could exploit them. I will remain silent, but if anybody else wants to tell him, go ahead.
December 20th 2002, 06:09 PM
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WC
Peasant Male United States
Destroying noobs since 1999. 
Trav, having multible accounts allows you to do several things you shouldn't be able to, and hence why we it is grounds for a swift ban. Secondly, we have almost 900 users registered, there is no need for having more than too names. Last, we make rules for a reason, no matter how big or small, you should boey rules no matter where they are, no matter how stupid, because it's the right thing.

--WC
December 21st 2002, 12:56 AM
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: Trav, having multible accounts allows you to do several things you shouldn't be able to, and hence why we it is grounds for a swift ban. Secondly, we have almost 900 users registered, there is no need for having more than too names. Last, we make rules for a reason, no matter how big or small, you should boey rules no matter where they are, no matter how stupid, because it's the right thing.

: --WC

we should boey the rules? sorry, i had to

boooooey...;-P
December 21st 2002, 08:35 AM
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joshriot
Peasant United States
keep it real 
: The "I LOVE CHRISTMAS" or whatever thread will be gone soon... the board's delete function seems to be having a fit, and I accidently removed two innocent posts.  Sorry 'bout that.

: A few reminders/nuggets of holly information:

: *) redink2 appears to be Lucifer... I could do some more involved checking, but I simply don't feel like wasting my time.

: *) I don't care if you post anything off-topic or whatever... once you go into the realm of blatant flaming/racism, you cross the line.  Cross the line twice, and you'll be missing a few virtual appendages.

that is retarded. i just wont bother posting to things like that if they will just get deleted by weak minded losers with no sense.

December 21st 2002, 09:35 AM
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: : The "I LOVE CHRISTMAS" or whatever thread will be gone soon... the board's delete function seems to be having a fit, and I accidently removed two innocent posts.  Sorry 'bout that.

: : A few reminders/nuggets of holly information:

: : *) redink2 appears to be Lucifer... I could do some more involved checking, but I simply don't feel like wasting my time.

: : *) I don't care if you post anything off-topic or whatever... once you go into the realm of blatant flaming/racism, you cross the line.  Cross the line twice, and you'll be missing a few virtual appendages.

: that is retarded. i just wont bother posting to things like that if they will just get deleted by weak minded losers with no sense.

So the same joshriot who has gone so far to lable people nazis because of their actions, complains of the gov in the US and calls the war on drugs racist, thinks its ok to post racial comments on a game board. Odd stuff...

December 21st 2002, 10:42 AM
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Christiaan
Bard Netherlands xbox
Lazy bum 
: : : The "I LOVE CHRISTMAS" or whatever thread will be gone soon... the board's delete function seems to be having a fit, and I accidently removed two innocent posts.  Sorry 'bout that.

: : : A few reminders/nuggets of holly information:

: : : *) redink2 appears to be Lucifer... I could do some more involved checking, but I simply don't feel like wasting my time.

: : : *) I don't care if you post anything off-topic or whatever... once you go into the realm of blatant flaming/racism, you cross the line.  Cross the line twice, and you'll be missing a few virtual appendages.

: : that is retarded. i just wont bother posting to things like that if they will just get deleted by weak minded losers with no sense.

: So the same joshriot who has gone so far to lable people nazis because of their actions, complains of the gov in the US and calls the war on drugs racist, thinks its ok to post racial comments on a game board.  Odd stuff...

No.

Look, it's just wrong to delete stuff that you don't like.

"What? he has an opinion that doesn't fit mine? DELETE"

That's just wrong. It wasn't even all that discriminating.

Hmm, I should put this more simple:

CENSORSHIP SUCKS
December 21st 2002, 11:21 AM
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: No.

: Look, it's just wrong to delete stuff that you don't like.

: "What? he has an opinion that doesn't fit mine? DELETE"

: That's just wrong. It wasn't even all that discriminating.

: Hmm, I should put this more simple:

: CENSORSHIP SUCKS

Hm. It's not how discriminating it is, it's how offensive it is. And it seemed to offend DethLord quite a bit. A lot of the time, it doesn't matter what the motive was, it's the outcome that matters. After all, redink1 operates this place on the utilitarian principle(I think), so just do what he says. Don't tell me Communazi Joshriot has brainwashed you into a follower.
December 21st 2002, 11:43 AM
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Christiaan
Bard Netherlands xbox
Lazy bum 
: : No.

: : Look, it's just wrong to delete stuff that you don't like.

: : "What? he has an opinion that doesn't fit mine? DELETE"

: : That's just wrong. It wasn't even all that discriminating.

: : Hmm, I should put this more simple:

: : CENSORSHIP SUCKS

: Hm.  It's not how discriminating it is, it's how offensive it is.  And it seemed to offend DethLord quite a bit.  A lot of the time, it doesn't matter what the motive was, it's the outcome that matters.  After all, redink1 operates this place on the utilitarian principle(I think), so just do what he says.  Don't tell me Communazi Joshriot has brainwashed you into a follower.

Almost entire reply is good, except for the last 2 sentences...

1: "Just do what Redink says" Am I doing anything against the rules? I just give my opinion. Ofcourse you have to live by the rules, that doesn't mean that everything what not Redink-like is, is wrong. Be a little bit more open-minded

2: "Don't tell me Communazi Joshriot has brainwashed you into a follower" You shut up, brainless freak. Was that exaggerated? yes, it was. Ok, just... don't say stuff like that. Why would Joshriot be a communazi? you're just being an ass. Just because joshriot says what he thinks he's an communazi? sjeesh, wake up man. And I'm NOT a follower whatsoever. I just tell the truth, and that happens to be similar to joshriot's. Now get some sleep and think about it

December 21st 2002, 11:45 AM
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SabreTrout
Noble Male United Kingdom
Tigertigertiger. 
: : No.

: : Look, it's just wrong to delete stuff that you don't like.

: : "What? he has an opinion that doesn't fit mine? DELETE"

: : That's just wrong. It wasn't even all that discriminating.

: : Hmm, I should put this more simple:

: : CENSORSHIP SUCKS

: Hm.  It's not how discriminating it is, it's how offensive it is.  And it seemed to offend DethLord quite a bit.  A lot of the time, it doesn't matter what the motive was, it's the outcome that matters.  After all, redink1 operates this place on the utilitarian principle(I think), so just do what he says.  Don't tell me Communazi Joshriot has brainwashed you into a follower.

Redink runs the DN on utilitarian principles? Do you even know what the word means?
December 21st 2002, 11:49 AM
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SabreTrout
Noble Male United Kingdom
Tigertigertiger. 


: 2: "Don't tell me Communazi Joshriot has brainwashed you into a follower" You shut up, brainless freak. Was that exaggerated? yes, it was. Ok, just... don't say stuff like that. Why would Joshriot be a communazi? you're just being an ass. Just because joshriot says what he thinks he's an communazi? sjeesh, wake up man. And I'm NOT a follower whatsoever. I just tell the truth, and that happens to be similar to joshriot's. Now get some sleep and think about it

Well said Christiaan! And to be honest, I don't think Communism and Nazism should be compared, as Communism in it's own right is the perfect solution to the worlds problems...it just hasn't worked very well where it has been tried...
December 21st 2002, 11:50 AM
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: Almost entire reply is good, except for the last 2 sentences...

: 1: "Just do what Redink says" Am I doing anything against the rules? I just give my opinion. Ofcourse you have to live by the rules, that doesn't mean that everything what not Redink-like is, is wrong. Be a little bit more open-minded

: 2: "Don't tell me Communazi Joshriot has brainwashed you into a follower" You shut up, brainless freak. Was that exaggerated? yes, it was. Ok, just... don't say stuff like that. Why would Joshriot be a communazi? you're just being an ass. Just because joshriot says what he thinks he's an communazi? sjeesh, wake up man. And I'm NOT a follower whatsoever. I just tell the truth, and that happens to be similar to joshriot's. Now get some sleep and think about it

1. Silly you. Did I say you broke any rules? I was simply reminding you, and others, that you should follow the rules that redink1 set for you. Jeez, be a little more closed minded so you can understand what I'm saying next time.

2. Of course that was an exaggeration. It's also called joking. Remember last time when I said you were a point whore? It's you that has to chill out. I mean, seriously, Communazi? Hah...But ah, well. Forget about that sentence if you don't like such.

December 21st 2002, 11:51 AM
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: : : No.

: : : Look, it's just wrong to delete stuff that you don't like.

: : : "What? he has an opinion that doesn't fit mine? DELETE"

: : : That's just wrong. It wasn't even all that discriminating.

: : : Hmm, I should put this more simple:

: : : CENSORSHIP SUCKS

: : Hm.  It's not how discriminating it is, it's how offensive it is.  And it seemed to offend DethLord quite a bit.  A lot of the time, it doesn't matter what the motive was, it's the outcome that matters.  After all, redink1 operates this place on the utilitarian principle(I think), so just do what he says.  Don't tell me Communazi Joshriot has brainwashed you into a follower.

: Redink runs the DN on utilitarian principles? Do you even know what the word means?

Yes.

December 21st 2002, 11:55 AM
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Christiaan
Bard Netherlands xbox
Lazy bum 
: 2.  Of course that was an exaggeration.  It's also called joking.  Remember last time when I said you were a point whore?  It's you that has to chill out.  I mean, seriously, Communazi?  Hah...But ah, well.  Forget about that sentence if you don't like such.

Oh, it was a joke? HA HA HA

Next time, put a or something in your post, posts like that create confusion

December 21st 2002, 11:57 AM
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: Oh, it was a joke? HA HA HA

: Next time, put a or something in your post, posts like that create confusion

Oh, PLEASE! You took the word Communazi seriously?! Now THAT'S a joke.
December 21st 2002, 12:44 PM
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Christiaan
Bard Netherlands xbox
Lazy bum 
: : Oh, it was a joke? HA HA HA

: : Next time, put a or something in your post, posts like that create confusion

: Oh, PLEASE!  You took the word Communazi seriously?!  Now THAT'S a joke.

I meant the entire post. I know you would have at least exaggerated, but you could have meant it seriously. Now let's shut up about it
December 21st 2002, 12:47 PM
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: : : Oh, it was a joke? HA HA HA

: : : Next time, put a or something in your post, posts like that create confusion

: : Oh, PLEASE!  You took the word Communazi seriously?!  Now THAT'S a joke.

: I meant the entire post. I know you would have at least exaggerated, but you could have meant it seriously. Now let's shut up about it

Ah, no, only the Communazi remark wasn't serious. Yes. Forget about it.
December 21st 2002, 01:04 PM
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: No.

: Look, it's just wrong to delete stuff that you don't like.

: "What? he has an opinion that doesn't fit mine? DELETE"

: That's just wrong. It wasn't even all that discriminating.

: Hmm, I should put this more simple:

: CENSORSHIP SUCKS

Agred, Censorship offends me. Ban Cenorship!
December 21st 2002, 01:53 PM
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Christiaan
Bard Netherlands xbox
Lazy bum 
: : No.

: : Look, it's just wrong to delete stuff that you don't like.

: : "What? he has an opinion that doesn't fit mine? DELETE"

: : That's just wrong. It wasn't even all that discriminating.

: : Hmm, I should put this more simple:

: : CENSORSHIP SUCKS

: Agred, Censorship offends me.  Ban Cenorship!

yeah! let's start a revolution!

wanna bet redink is gonna delete this thread too? his own started thread about deleted messages, lol

December 21st 2002, 02:28 PM
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: : : No.

: : : Look, it's just wrong to delete stuff that you don't like.

: : : "What? he has an opinion that doesn't fit mine? DELETE"

: : : That's just wrong. It wasn't even all that discriminating.

: : : Hmm, I should put this more simple:

: : : CENSORSHIP SUCKS

: : Agred, Censorship offends me.  Ban Cenorship!

: yeah! let's start a revolution!

: wanna bet redink is gonna delete this thread too? his own started thread about deleted messages, lol

Yes. Start a revolution. See where it gets you. Revolutions have a history of failing miserably. If you don't believe me, look at the French revolution. They revolt because the lower middle class wants to be the upper class. They go through horrible periods of bloodshed, execute thousands of people, go through government after government, only to end up basically back where they started with Napoleon instead of Louis XVI. Revolution not only gets you nowhere, it also destroys everything in the process. People revolt when they have as much freedom as they'll ever have. They think if they revolt, they'll get just a tiny bit more, just that extra taste of freedom. But they won't, and they don't.

Point is, censorship isn't going to go away, not even if you revolt against it. Without it, the whole community is going to go to hell. There are rules for a reason, and no, the reason isn't "to be broken." So why don't we all just get along and not whine when something offensive and racist gets put down?

Just my opinion. At least give me a second to brace myself for the flamage.
December 21st 2002, 02:36 PM
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Christiaan
Bard Netherlands xbox
Lazy bum 
: : : : No.

: : : : Look, it's just wrong to delete stuff that you don't like.

: : : : "What? he has an opinion that doesn't fit mine? DELETE"

: : : : That's just wrong. It wasn't even all that discriminating.

: : : : Hmm, I should put this more simple:

: : : : CENSORSHIP SUCKS

: : : Agred, Censorship offends me.  Ban Cenorship!

: : yeah! let's start a revolution!

: : wanna bet redink is gonna delete this thread too? his own started thread about deleted messages, lol

: Yes. Start a revolution. See where it gets you. Revolutions have a history of failing miserably. If you don't believe me, look at the French revolution. They revolt because the lower middle class wants to be the upper class. They go through horrible periods of bloodshed, execute thousands of people, go through government after government, only to end up basically back where they started with Napoleon instead of Louis XVI. Revolution not only gets you nowhere, it also destroys everything in the process. People revolt when they have as much freedom as they'll ever have. They think if they revolt, they'll get just a tiny bit more, just that extra taste of freedom. But they won't, and they don't.

: Point is, censorship isn't going to go away, not even if you revolt against it. Without it, the whole community is going to go to hell.  There are rules for a reason, and no, the reason isn't "to be broken." So why don't we all just get along and not whine when something offensive and racist gets put down?

: Just my opinion. At least give me a second to brace myself for the flamage.

lol, well, I think you're right.

.......HOWEVER

yeah, however, I think censorship sucks. there has to be rules, but how about close a topic? just delete everything that you don't like is wrong, imho

December 21st 2002, 02:55 PM
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: yeah, however, I think censorship sucks. there has to be rules, but how about close a topic? just delete everything that you don't like is wrong, imho

Well, personally I don't think any messages should be deleted. But it's redink1's prerogative. It's his website, he can do what he wants. So if he decides something is offensive and unacceptable to have on his website, then it's his decision, not mine, not yours. So... just be happy he isn't randomly banning people or something arse-faced like that.
December 21st 2002, 04:34 PM
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Dukie
Peasant Male
 
: Well said Christiaan! And to be honest, I don't think Communism and Nazism should be compared, as Communism in it's own right is the perfect solution to the worlds problems...it just hasn't worked very well where it has been tried...

Communism doesn't work and it never will. People tried it in lots of places, it always failed. There is no perfect solution to the world's problems
December 21st 2002, 04:58 PM
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redink1
King Male United States xbox steam bloop
A mother ducking wizard 
: Well, personally I don't think any messages should be deleted. But it's redink1's prerogative. It's his website, he can do what he wants. So if he decides something is offensive and unacceptable to have on his website, then it's his decision, not mine, not yours. So... just be happy he isn't randomly banning people or something arse-faced like that.

Hmm... *spins magic wheel with dinker names on it*

*tick* *tick* *tick*

Today, Allikitten is randomly banned. Wee.

Um... but yeah, your post seemed to make the most sense.

See, Tal was getting complaints from people on those two threads. I'm hardly on the internet now that I'm back home and on dial-up. I briefly looked through them, and decided that they should be deleted. So... um... blame Tal!

Once Miasma v2 is online and operational, there will be no more deleted messages, at all. Instead, staff members have the ability to categorize messages into a Flame category, which will not be shown by default, but can be by changing your preferences.

That really isn't feasible with this message board... it just doesn't have that capability. So I'm forced to delete stuff.
December 21st 2002, 07:29 PM
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joshriot
Peasant United States
keep it real 
: Yes. Start a revolution. See where it gets you. Revolutions have a history of failing miserably. If you don't believe me, look at the French revolution. They revolt because the lower middle class wants to be the upper class. They go through horrible periods of bloodshed, execute thousands of people, go through government after government, only to end up basically back where they started with Napoleon instead of Louis XVI. Revolution not only gets you nowhere, it also destroys everything in the process. People revolt when they have as much freedom as they'll ever have. They think if they revolt, they'll get just a tiny bit more, just that extra taste of freedom. But they won't, and they don't.

: Point is, censorship isn't going to go away, not even if you revolt against it. Without it, the whole community is going to go to hell.  There are rules for a reason, and no, the reason isn't "to be broken." So why don't we all just get along and not whine when something offensive and racist gets put down?

: Just my opinion. At least give me a second to brace myself for the flamage.

i was so mad that if i was still as mad as i was i would not be here and i would never come back. i just dont want to be in an environment where i cannot express myself. that is how much i HATE censorship. it is one sided, evil, ignorant, ass crap. you seem to support censorship and rules. i tell you what, with them, your post means nothing. you waste your time. your oppinion means nothing.

stop and think about what you are saying.

yeh... history repeats... nice observation but too little too late.
December 21st 2002, 07:36 PM
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: i was so mad that if i was still as mad as i was i would not be here and i would never come back. i just dont want to be in an environment where i cannot express myself. that is how much i HATE censorship. it is one sided, evil, ignorant, ass crap. you seem to support censorship and rules. i tell you what, with them, your post means nothing. you waste your time. your oppinion means nothing.

: stop and think about what you are saying.

: yeh... history repeats... nice observation but too little too late.

December 21st 2002, 07:36 PM
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oops, ignore that last post.

: i was so mad that if i was still as mad as i was i would not be here and i would never come back. i just dont want to be in an environment where i cannot express myself. that is how much i HATE censorship. it is one sided, evil, ignorant, ass crap. you seem to support censorship and rules. i tell you what, with them, your post means nothing. you waste your time. your oppinion means nothing.

: stop and think about what you are saying.

: yeh... history repeats... nice observation but too little too late.

"your oppinion means nothing"
December 21st 2002, 07:42 PM
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joshriot
Peasant United States
keep it real 
: : : The "I LOVE CHRISTMAS" or whatever thread will be gone soon... the board's delete function seems to be having a fit, and I accidently removed two innocent posts.  Sorry 'bout that.

: : : A few reminders/nuggets of holly information:

: : : *) redink2 appears to be Lucifer... I could do some more involved checking, but I simply don't feel like wasting my time.

: : : *) I don't care if you post anything off-topic or whatever... once you go into the realm of blatant flaming/racism, you cross the line.  Cross the line twice, and you'll be missing a few virtual appendages.

: : that is retarded. i just wont bother posting to things like that if they will just get deleted by weak minded losers with no sense.

: So the same joshriot who has gone so far to lable people nazis because of their actions, complains of the gov in the US and calls the war on drugs racist, thinks its ok to post racial comments on a game board.  Odd stuff...

i dont see what you are trying to say... i see not contrast here, as if you tried to conjure one.

i believe in freedom of speech. period. i believe that people should not ban what they do not understand, that which society calls the offensive, for lack of better word; fear of the unknown. what is offensive is not trying to look at someone elses ideas and form a reasonable oppinion on them (especialy if you grasp no concept of what they are actually SAYING in the first place). that is how intelligence forms. if information is disseminated by a ruling party, it becomes lame. it becomes garbage. you end up with people like americans who believe what they are told and have no true oppinions. people like nazis who are not allowed to read books and be smart. you get zombies. whats wrong and right does not matter in the end, what matters is doing what YOU truely believe. find it.
December 22nd 2002, 12:57 AM
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redink2
Peasant
 
don't judge communism before you haven't read the communist manifesto. And capitalisim isn't better at all. Communism protects workers rights but i the same time the economics of a communist country is very bad. Except Yugoslavia. Read the history book a little bit an you will see. (Not that I'm communist just a remark)
December 22nd 2002, 01:49 AM
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: : Well said Christiaan! And to be honest, I don't think Communism and Nazism should be compared, as Communism in it's own right is the perfect solution to the worlds problems...it just hasn't worked very well where it has been tried...

: Communism doesn't work and it never will. People tried it in lots of places, it always failed. There is no perfect solution to the world's problems

i think that (if) communism was done well, by people who really believel ALL of it's many facets, it would work. unfortunately, not enough of those people live today...
December 22nd 2002, 01:54 AM
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: i was so mad that if i was still as mad as i was i would not be here and i would never come back. i just dont want to be in an environment where i cannot express myself. that is how much i HATE censorship. it is one sided, evil, ignorant, ass crap. you seem to support censorship and rules. i tell you what, with them, your post means nothing. you waste your time. your oppinion means nothing.

: stop and think about what you are saying.

: yeh... history repeats... nice observation but too little too late.

i agree 100%. unfortunately, there has to be a line drawn somewhere. I mean, the net should be a placewhere *everyone* can wander, without having to read offensive emails / postings.

Besides, Most people have opinions on subjects which do not border on racism, and those that do, should learn to keep them unposted on a public forum, out of courtesy.

example:

most of you know that i am a linux nut. there, my opinion is out in the open. lets hope no one finds it too offensive, or it will be removed. then again, this whole post is probably a waste of time
December 22nd 2002, 02:11 AM
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BUT:

society has formed a "code of conduct", which nearly all people around the world agree on. insulting someone is offensive, no matter which way you look at it, right? racism is bad, evil. period. i don't believe you can call this an uninformed opinion, on my part or anyone else's.

I agree in freedom of speech, i mean, I'm the open source nut on this board, right? open source is basically about free speach. BUT, posts are mostly deleted for a reason. although moving them might be a better idea.
December 22nd 2002, 03:04 AM
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Dukie
Peasant Male
 
: don't judge communism before you haven't read the communist manifesto.

Is that what Marx wrote? Marx wrote that, having in mind that capitalism would one day collapse. But he was wrong in thinking that.

(If I remember correctly) he thought something like:

Capitalism: Lots of competition between lots of shops/enterprises/etc.. This 'fierce' competition would lead to the closing of many shops, resulting in losses of jobs. In the end, he thought there would be only a handful of huge enterprises and almost everyone would be out of a job.. He was wrong there, competition hasn't become and will never become that fierce (IMHO)

No, the communist manifesto is wrong.. (and it sucks too

:And capitalisim isn't better at all. Communism protects workers rights but i the same time the economics of a communist country is very bad.

Capitalism protects the worker's rights too.. Social security?

:Except Yugoslavia. Read the history book a little bit an you will see.    

Don't imply that I haven't ready history books, I've received a fine european education, I know what I have to know!
December 22nd 2002, 07:12 AM
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SabreTrout
Noble Male United Kingdom
Tigertigertiger. 
Dukie, communism is far superior to capitalism in every way, in it's ideals. The problem is those who have used it have NOT been communist, but have merely said they were to get their own way.

True communism would work.
December 22nd 2002, 07:16 AM
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: Dukie, communism is far superior to capitalism in every way, in it's ideals. The problem is those who have used it have NOT been communist, but have merely said they were to get their own way.

: True communism would work.

Communism would not work simply because too much power is given to too few. They would be corrupted. Of course, lots of ideals are wonderful, but not everybody is ideal, nor has the same. Agreed?
December 22nd 2002, 07:16 AM
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: Dukie, communism is far superior to capitalism in every way, in it's ideals. The problem is those who have used it have NOT been communist, but have merely said they were to get their own way.

: True communism would work.

Communism would not work simply because too much power is given to too few. They would be corrupted. Of course, lots of ideals are wonderful, but not everybody is ideal, nor has the same. Agreed?
December 22nd 2002, 07:22 AM
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SabreTrout
Noble Male United Kingdom
Tigertigertiger. 
: : Dukie, communism is far superior to capitalism in every way, in it's ideals. The problem is those who have used it have NOT been communist, but have merely said they were to get their own way.

: :  True communism would work.

: Communism would not work simply because too much power is given to too few.  They would be corrupted.  Of course, lots of ideals are wonderful, but not everybody is ideal, nor has the same.  Agreed?

TRUE COMMUNISM does not give power to the few, so they could not abuse it. I don't think it will ever happen, but it is the ideal solution.

December 22nd 2002, 07:29 AM
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joshriot
Peasant United States
keep it real 
: BUT:

: society has formed a "code of conduct", which nearly all people around the world agree on. insulting someone is offensive, no matter which way you look at it, right? racism is bad, evil. period. i don't believe you can call this an uninformed opinion, on my part or anyone else's.

: I agree in freedom of speech, i mean, I'm the open source nut on this board, right? open source is basically about free speach. BUT, posts are mostly deleted for a reason. although moving them might be a better idea.

if you have a problem with something someone says, you have the same freedom to tell them what you think. you say WHY what they said is rascist and WHY you think it is wrong. what will deleting accomplish? we need to protect someone from learning? that is what censorship is for. it is for the weak who cant handle the truth. it is for asses who work for someone else and never find happiness, not realizing their screwed up contribution to the decline of the human race, because they are too busy reading lies out of the media than forming their own reasons based on logic and reason. why not delete YOUR posts? what makes your opinion right and anyone elses wrong? if you want to live like that, go ahead. obviously you dont take what you believe seriously. you dont know the true power of free speech, you are trained. delete everything. follow what you are told is acceptable. be another geek. kook friggin monkey. i dont care, i just dont want to be a part of it. i refuse to be a part of it.
December 22nd 2002, 07:38 AM
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Be quiet, nobody likes you because you don't obey like a hungry trained sea world abused dolphin. So much questioning, so much thinking. Do more math, you philosopher. d:
December 22nd 2002, 09:29 AM
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: : i was so mad that if i was still as mad as i was i would not be here and i would never come back. i just dont want to be in an environment where i cannot express myself. that is how much i HATE censorship. it is one sided, evil, ignorant, ass crap. you seem to support censorship and rules. i tell you what, with them, your post means nothing. you waste your time. your oppinion means nothing.

: : stop and think about what you are saying.

: : yeh... history repeats... nice observation but too little too late.

: i agree 100%. unfortunately, there has to be a line drawn somewhere. I mean, the net should be a placewhere *everyone* can wander, without having to read offensive emails / postings.

: Besides, Most people have opinions on subjects which do not border on racism, and those that do, should learn to keep them unposted on a public forum, out of courtesy.

: example:

: most of you know that i am a linux nut. there, my opinion is out in the open. lets hope no one finds it too offensive, or it will be removed. then again, this whole post is probably a waste of time

If you censor everything that offends anyone, what will remain uncensored?
December 22nd 2002, 09:32 AM
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What an extensive and varied thread! Here are my thoughts (not that anyone cares )

At this time of year it is in very poor taste to insult, or make fun of, a person's religious beliefs. It is childish, and for anyone whose belief is vital, it is painful. The decision to remove such posts from view was one of respect for those using the board. This may amount to censorship, but I'm sure if one wanted to (re) read the thread, that redink1 would arrange to have it viewable. Thus not censored, but protective.

I think we all agree that we should be able to say whatever we feel. But it is not okay to hurt someone just to see how it feels, just for fun, just to get a reaction. We should be cautious of others feelings at all times. The ability to do this is an intrinsic part of being HUMAN. Personally, I strive to be a GOOD HUMAN.

Now for politics... Almost all political philosophies are "the best" until you put people into the story. Communism, socialism, capitalism, democracy, anarchism, facism, etc. are all very good ideas, but greed and self-importance always ruin it. You can't have politics without people, so no form of government will ever work perfectly. I live in Canada, arguably one of the best places to live in the world... an interesting mix of socialism and democracy that works most of the time. But still far from perfect.

I'm done!
December 22nd 2002, 09:34 AM
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: if you have a problem with something someone says, you have the same freedom to tell them what you think. you say WHY what they said is rascist and WHY you think it is wrong. what will deleting accomplish? we need to protect someone from learning? that is what censorship is for. it is for the weak who cant handle the truth. it is for asses who work for someone else and never find happiness, not realizing their screwed up contribution to the decline of the human race, because they are too busy reading lies out of the media than forming their own reasons based on logic and reason. why not delete YOUR posts? what makes your opinion right and anyone elses wrong? if you want to live like that, go ahead. obviously you dont take what you believe seriously. you dont know the true power of free speech, you are trained. delete everything. follow what you are told is acceptable. be another geek. kook friggin monkey. i dont care, i just dont want to be a part of it. i refuse to be a part of it.

well said
December 22nd 2002, 11:04 AM
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: why not delete YOUR posts? what makes your opinion right and anyone elses wrong?

nothimg makes my opinion right, but surely society as a whole has agreed that what i said in my earlier posts is more acceptable than say "all new zealanders are stupid asses". right?

the question is not how correct they are, but how acceptable they are to the rest of the world.

there is no truth, only perspective. but untill people learn not to post things which are offensive to others, censorship will remain in place. yeah, i know it sucks, but there ya go
December 22nd 2002, 11:34 AM
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: the question is not how correct they are, but how acceptable they are to the rest of the world.

so if i'm unique and the world doesn't except my uniqueness, i should just be locked up and never talk again?
December 22nd 2002, 01:11 PM
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: so if i'm unique and the world doesn't except my uniqueness, i should just be locked up and never talk again?

Yes, if your "uniqueness" means you are hurtful to others.
December 22nd 2002, 04:55 PM
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: : so if i'm unique and the world doesn't except my uniqueness, i should just be locked up and never talk again?

: Yes, if your "uniqueness" means you are hurtful to others.

no i'm saying i'm just unique and people don't except it.
December 22nd 2002, 05:16 PM
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Dukie
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: Dukie, communism is far superior to capitalism in every way, in it's ideals. The problem is those who have used it have NOT been communist, but have merely said they were to get their own way.

: True communism would work.

Bleh, communism is based on the fact that capitalism doesn't work.. But capitalism does work. And in reality it's better then communism, ideals aside.
December 22nd 2002, 05:31 PM
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joshriot
Peasant United States
keep it real 
: : : so if i'm unique and the world doesn't except my uniqueness, i should just be locked up and never talk again?

: : Yes, if your "uniqueness" means you are hurtful to others.

: no i'm saying i'm just unique and people don't except it.

exactly. censorship is about falling in line. the rules are set about by a phantom, shaped by capitalism for the benifit of a few. everybody follows the rules because it is what is set before them. being offended without knowing why is beyond be comprehension. what offends be is the machine. how it screws people over. how individuality is at stake and no one seems to care. conformity... i guess. even if you try to be yourself you cant help it much in this world. but i will try my hardest.
December 23rd 2002, 12:10 AM
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: no i'm saying i'm just unique and people don't except it.

I agree that your hypothetical situation could happen, but i have yet to see it. do you have any wxamples?

normally, people have a reason. perhaps you're unique in that every morning you run butt naked down the road shouting "kill the new zealanders!!". now, sure, that's unique, but MOST people also find it offensive.

uniqueness is a "good" thing, and most of the time it is accepted.

December 23rd 2002, 02:32 AM
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SabreTrout
Noble Male United Kingdom
Tigertigertiger. 


: Bleh, communism is based on the fact that capitalism doesn't work..  But capitalism does work.  And in reality it's better then communism, ideals aside.

You say capitalism works? Capitalism is all about greed and self gratification. You are a product of the system, and have been brainwashed too far to save you. I pity you.
December 23rd 2002, 03:21 AM
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Dukie
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: : Bleh, communism is based on the fact that capitalism doesn't work..  But capitalism does work.  And in reality it's better then communism, ideals aside.

: You say capitalism works? Capitalism is all about greed and self gratification. You are a product of the system, and have been brainwashed too far to save you. I pity you.

Just because you say capitalism is about greed and self gratification, doesn't make it true. Just because that 1 or 2 filthy rich % abuses the system, you say it's bad..

Capitalism is about earning what you work for. You work hard, you get more money. You don't work, you get social security. It's about *the american dream*. It's about unlimited potential for everyone who wants to achieve something. That's not greed.

The downside? Poor people. Blame the 1, 2% who could fix everything by donating like 10% of everything they've got. They won't, they're greedy. Some people just are. They would be the greedy people in a communist system too. Don't blame the system, blame the people. Like Dinksgirl said in the best post of this thread

Product of the system? My ass, homeboy! This is what I believe in, f*ck the system. Just because I like capitalism, I'm a product of the system?

Brainwashed? Too far gone? My ass too! I'm not greedy, but I want money. Not extreme amounts and I'm not about to neglect the people I love and that love me because of it, but I want money. More than the average person too! But I'm willing to work for it, and hard too! Communism would make that impossible. I've chosen this lifestyle, you choose yours and leave me alone, I pity everyone who pities me.
December 23rd 2002, 04:28 AM
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SabreTrout
Noble Male United Kingdom
Tigertigertiger. 


"Capitalism is about earning what you work for.  You work hard, you get more money.  You don't work, you get social security.  It's about *the american dream*.  It's about unlimited potential for everyone who wants to achieve something.  That's not greed."

***The point is, you are a slave to those in power. You work hard, getting your money, buying your possessions. But really you are simply putting more money into the pockets of the few, working for them, selling their things, all in the hope you can reach where they are.

"The downside?  Poor people.  Blame the 1, 2% who could fix everything by donating like 10% of everything they've got.  They won't, they're greedy.  Some people just are.  They would be the greedy people in a communist system too.  Don't blame the system, blame the people.  Like Dinksgirl said in the best post of this thread "

***Blaming those in greater power than yourself? A fair point, but it is the work you do to get your pennies that keeps them in that position of power, and let's them keep you plugging away to try and have a nice life with all your money. There would be greedy people in the communist society, but it doesn't ENCOURAGE people to gain more than other, as capitalism does.

": Product of the system?  My ass, homeboy!  This is what I believe in, f*ck the system.  Just because I like capitalism, I'm a product of the system?

: Brainwashed?  Too far gone?  My ass too!  I'm not greedy, but I want money.  Not extreme amounts and I'm not about to neglect the people I love and that love me because of it, but I want money.  More than the average person too!  But I'm willing to work for it, and hard too!  Communism would make that impossible.  I've chosen this lifestyle, you choose yours and leave me alone, I pity everyone who pities me."

The fact that you like a system which purposefully makes people compete against one another, all to try and become richer, shows my point. But OK, we both have our own opinions, lets leave it at that.

And communism rocks!
December 23rd 2002, 04:31 AM
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Christiaan
Bard Netherlands xbox
Lazy bum 
: "Capitalism is about earning what you work for.  You work hard, you get more money.  You don't work, you get social security.  It's about *the american dream*.  It's about unlimited potential for everyone who wants to achieve something.  That's not greed."

: ***The point is, you are a slave to those in power. You work hard, getting your money, buying your possessions. But really you are simply putting more money into the pockets of the few, working for them, selling their things, all in the hope you can reach where they are.

: "The downside?  Poor people.  Blame the 1, 2% who could fix everything by donating like 10% of everything they've got.  They won't, they're greedy.  Some people just are.  They would be the greedy people in a communist system too.  Don't blame the system, blame the people.  Like Dinksgirl said in the best post of this thread "

: ***Blaming those in greater power than yourself? A fair point, but it is the work you do to get your pennies that keeps them in that position of power, and let's them keep you plugging away to try and have a nice life with all your money. There would be greedy people in the communist society, but it doesn't ENCOURAGE people to gain more than other, as capitalism does.

: ": Product of the system?  My ass, homeboy!  This is what I believe in, f*ck the system.  Just because I like capitalism, I'm a product of the system?

: : Brainwashed?  Too far gone?  My ass too!  I'm not greedy, but I want money.  Not extreme amounts and I'm not about to neglect the people I love and that love me because of it, but I want money.  More than the average person too!  But I'm willing to work for it, and hard too!  Communism would make that impossible.  I've chosen this lifestyle, you choose yours and leave me alone, I pity everyone who pities me."

: The fact that you like a system which purposefully makes people compete against one another, all to try and become richer, shows my point. But OK, we both have our own opinions, lets leave it at that.

: And communism rocks!

How about anarchy

December 23rd 2002, 05:37 AM
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SabreTrout
Noble Male United Kingdom
Tigertigertiger. 


: How about anarchy

That's pretty fun as well...though not the most progressive system!
December 23rd 2002, 05:46 AM
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Phoenix
Peasant Male Norway steam
Back from the ashes 
: : How about anarchy

: That's pretty fun as well...though not the most progressive system!

Nor would that work in pratice either. If there were no laws, what would people do? Rob, murder, abuse, rape, you tell me, I am no sicko, so I don't know much other sick things, but I know that there are really really sick people out there, and if you let they do what they want, then the world would definatly not be a place worth living. The idea of anarchy is worthless. It would just let those few who are evil get in control, because evil is a much stronger power than good, which is why it takes a lot of good people to stop one bad person. At least that is my opinion, so if anyone out there has a dream of anarchy, just ditch it, it would suck so bad.
December 23rd 2002, 08:24 AM
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SabreTrout
Noble Male United Kingdom
Tigertigertiger. 
: : : How about anarchy

: :  That's pretty fun as well...though not the most progressive system!

: Nor would that work in pratice either. If there were no laws, what would people do? Rob, murder, abuse, rape, you tell me, I am no sicko, so I don't know much other sick things, but I know that there are really really sick people out there, and if you let they do what they want, then the world would definatly not be a place worth living. The idea of anarchy is worthless. It would just let those few who are evil get in control, because evil is a much stronger power than good, which is why it takes a lot of good people to stop one bad person. At least that is my opinion, so if anyone out there has a dream of anarchy, just ditch it, it would suck so bad.

We weren't being serious Phoenix, anarchy would never have a chance of working. It's in it's own nature to be destructive.
December 23rd 2002, 09:56 AM
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Phoenix
Peasant Male Norway steam
Back from the ashes 
: : : : How about anarchy

: : :  That's pretty fun as well...though not the most progressive system!

: : Nor would that work in pratice either. If there were no laws, what would people do? Rob, murder, abuse, rape, you tell me, I am no sicko, so I don't know much other sick things, but I know that there are really really sick people out there, and if you let they do what they want, then the world would definatly not be a place worth living. The idea of anarchy is worthless. It would just let those few who are evil get in control, because evil is a much stronger power than good, which is why it takes a lot of good people to stop one bad person. At least that is my opinion, so if anyone out there has a dream of anarchy, just ditch it, it would suck so bad.

: We weren't being serious Phoenix, anarchy would never have a chance of working. It's in it's own nature to be destructive.

Yeah, yeah, I know, I just felt like I had to say something in this thread, so there you go.
December 23rd 2002, 09:57 AM
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One last post and I'm done with this topic. Remember, freedom is relative, not absolute. You can't have everything. Don't try to make people unconform, and conform to your anti-conformity. Just let them do what they want. If redink1 wants to delete a dang message, let him. It's no big deal. And since it's no big deal, I've already spent too much time on trying to express how much it DOESN'T MATTER. Screw everything, and be happy with what you have, not with what you don't have, you greedy, pinky sucking, car driving, church going, anti conformity(hah..), toilet flushing, spike wearing, blue eyed, beautiful, athletic, smooth skinned, music listening, money spending, pot smoking, mockingbirds.

By the way, if you didn't get all of the above, what I was saying is SHUT UP.
December 27th 2002, 11:35 AM
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COMMUNISUM ROCKS IT JUST DOESN'T WORK ALL THE TIME AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK THEN IT SUX BUT ALL IN ALL COMMUNISUM ROCKS!
December 29th 2002, 07:37 AM
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I guess your right It can't really work it is too hard with Bragging rights and all and greed and wanting to be better than others so I agree Communisum will not work anytime soon
January 16th 2006, 08:07 PM
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Hi Sabretrout, I'm Ice, nice to meet you... now that the formalities are out of the way...
I was reading an old post, and you mentioned communism 'in itself' being the perfect solution to the world's problems... for curiosity's sake... and not because i agree or disagree, but just cause I'm interested, why? What about it in particular appeals? And do you think its just people that have ruined its prospects?
Drop me a line if you get the chance, I'm sure you're awfully busy mr purple star ...
Ice.
January 16th 2006, 09:05 PM
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Tal
Noble Male United States xbox steam
Super Sexy Tal Pal 
...and you can drop her a line privately, Mr. Sabre.

Wow. Just wow. I'm closing this.