Hargo
He's a musician. He wroye and performed one of my favourite songs: F.O.T.F. based on Terry Goodkind's Faith of the Fallen. I've been trying to find a site with the lyrics to his songs but no site so far has them.
No one's heard of him? Here's proof to the countary:
With his 2005 release, "In Your Eyes", Hargo has established himself as San Diego's hottest act, winning acclaim from such fans as Grammy-winners Seal and the B-52's Kate Pierson.
In fact the author of the aforementioned book had heard F.O.T.F. and said he quite likes it and his honoured that he was such an inspiration.
slayer, you have made the mistake of assuming that just because no one here has heard of him so far that no one has. That is a false assumption.
With his 2005 release, "In Your Eyes", Hargo has established himself as San Diego's hottest act, winning acclaim from such fans as Grammy-winners Seal and the B-52's Kate Pierson.
In fact the author of the aforementioned book had heard F.O.T.F. and said he quite likes it and his honoured that he was such an inspiration.
slayer, you have made the mistake of assuming that just because no one here has heard of him so far that no one has. That is a false assumption.
I have never heard of him either. Must be the third member of Milli Vanilli.
A search on google for Hargo and Music gives ~600 results.
Conclusion:
*Almost* no one has heard of him.
Conclusion:
*Almost* no one has heard of him.
you are all wrong conclusion: who freaking cares?!?
Actually he's been around a long time and is well known, especially by fans of Terry Goodkind's books. Obviously I'm just asking the wrong people. Doesn't surprise me. The irrational often don't know about those of us that are more rational.
I think the more appropriate thing to say is that the people who are unaware of or don't care about Terry Goodkind's books often don't know about obscure things that interest so-called rational dweebs.
(You asked for it)
(You asked for it)
That's a mighty high horse you're ridin' there, pardner.
Hargo, peasant! Thine ye be friend or foe? For thou cannot get ye flask, verily.
ummmmmm....
Terry Goodkind?!?!? Don't ring a bell and I'm a rather rational person....
Hargo?!?!? Never heard of him and I live only an hour and a half drive away from San Diego. Must not be my kind of music... is he country or something else lame?
Terry Goodkind?!?!? Don't ring a bell and I'm a rather rational person....
Hargo?!?!? Never heard of him and I live only an hour and a half drive away from San Diego. Must not be my kind of music... is he country or something else lame?
Nope... New Age Christian Death Metal...
Actually, I have no idea.
Actually, I have no idea.
I think the more appropriate thing to say is that the people who are unaware of or don't care about Terry Goodkind's books often don't know about obscure things that interest so-called rational dweebs.
No. Others that didn't read Terry Goodkind's books would get it. Almost all Objectivists would, especially those that read Ayn rand's Atlas Shruggled, since Faith of the Fallen, which the album and song is based on, is basically a scaled down version of that book.
No. Others that didn't read Terry Goodkind's books would get it. Almost all Objectivists would, especially those that read Ayn rand's Atlas Shruggled, since Faith of the Fallen, which the album and song is based on, is basically a scaled down version of that book.
No idea, what genre he is, dragon. Anyone interested can go to http://www.hargo.net/ and look into it. it's his official site. Several of his songs can be downloaded from there.
I know it is, Dan, but you already know about my views of myself and of others.
Ayn Rand... You commie. Anyway, who are you kidding? Who reads these days? With the exception of people who reply back and forth on these message boards, not many...
Who reads these days? With the exception of people who reply back and forth on these message boards, not many..
Odd. I could swear Christopher Paolini's Eldest sold millions within the first month. And Terry Goodkind's latest Sword of Truth book made New York Best Seller List at #1. And for that matter Harry Potter sells millions. In fact overall yearly book sales are in the thens of billions. Or maybe even higher. Anyway on average we all buy more than 2 books a year.
Also I think there are College/University students. It's rather common for them to read a lot of text books.
So unless you were being a smart arse (and I hope you were) you are very wrong. I assume you were just joking around.
ADDITITON: Ayn Rand... You commie. I assume that is a joke. Ayn Rand was far from a commie, as are those that follow her beliefs. Rather they are indivualists. We are no commies... instead we believe in the indivual as more important than collective. We are capitalists.
Odd. I could swear Christopher Paolini's Eldest sold millions within the first month. And Terry Goodkind's latest Sword of Truth book made New York Best Seller List at #1. And for that matter Harry Potter sells millions. In fact overall yearly book sales are in the thens of billions. Or maybe even higher. Anyway on average we all buy more than 2 books a year.
Also I think there are College/University students. It's rather common for them to read a lot of text books.
So unless you were being a smart arse (and I hope you were) you are very wrong. I assume you were just joking around.
ADDITITON: Ayn Rand... You commie. I assume that is a joke. Ayn Rand was far from a commie, as are those that follow her beliefs. Rather they are indivualists. We are no commies... instead we believe in the indivual as more important than collective. We are capitalists.
Its okay, I'm a librophile.
EDIT: And yes, there is scarcely a true sentence in that post. I should know I wrote it.
I mean no offense to Rand or her beliefs. Just want to make sure that those out here that are not in tune to what we are talking about can understand.
ADDITION, NOT ADDITITION: I must say that it is obvious that I do not dwell in the same circles as you do( though I not sure that I dwell in any circles currently, which may, ironically, make me more of an individualist than I lead myself to believe). I have not heard of Hargo, period. If, however, you would like to know the differences in the style of the early 20th century composers Rachmaninoff and Ravel, I would be more than happy to supply you with information- Hargo, however, though I am sure is very interesting to you, strikes no memory in my knowledge of music... I might just have to check him out, though.
EDIT: And yes, there is scarcely a true sentence in that post. I should know I wrote it.
I mean no offense to Rand or her beliefs. Just want to make sure that those out here that are not in tune to what we are talking about can understand.
ADDITION, NOT ADDITITION: I must say that it is obvious that I do not dwell in the same circles as you do( though I not sure that I dwell in any circles currently, which may, ironically, make me more of an individualist than I lead myself to believe). I have not heard of Hargo, period. If, however, you would like to know the differences in the style of the early 20th century composers Rachmaninoff and Ravel, I would be more than happy to supply you with information- Hargo, however, though I am sure is very interesting to you, strikes no memory in my knowledge of music... I might just have to check him out, though.
Wow. Paolini sold has millions? I guess it's just yet another example that you don't really need any talent or skill to be successful. Eragon was so unbelievably trite that I only got through a few chapters before I found that I could take no more of his highly derivative ideas and unimaginitive prose (from the best of my recollection).
Rather they are indivualists.
*snicker* O RLY? ...you know, I'm not even sure if I want to get into this. I'll have to see how I feel about it in the morning.
Rather they are indivualists.
*snicker* O RLY? ...you know, I'm not even sure if I want to get into this. I'll have to see how I feel about it in the morning.
Wow. Paolini sold has millions? I guess it's just yet another example that you don't really need any talent or skill to be successful. Eragon was so unbelievably trite that I only got through a few chapters before I found that I could take no more of his highly derivative ideas and unimaginitive prose (from the best of my recollection).
I disagree. And Eldest had some philosphical gems (in my opinion) in it that Eragon did not. the philosophy of Paolini's elves is much to my liking. Of course that comment will no doubt make you all the less interested in Paolini.
I disagree. And Eldest had some philosphical gems (in my opinion) in it that Eragon did not. the philosophy of Paolini's elves is much to my liking. Of course that comment will no doubt make you all the less interested in Paolini.
I just Googled my name, and it turns out I'm over twice as famous as this Hargo fellow. Bask in my glory. 
All hail the trout of sabre-ness...who managed to be twice as famous as some guy i've never heard of. HUZZAH!!
Lets all bounce on a Hargo stick.
EDIT: I had problems with Paolini's elves, personally. I liked Arya's perspective, but some of the others... like Vanir, really annoyed me. In a way I flowed through the book, taking in some of the philosophical aspects, but... quite honestly I was more interested personally to read about Roran's descent into the void...
EDIT: I had problems with Paolini's elves, personally. I liked Arya's perspective, but some of the others... like Vanir, really annoyed me. In a way I flowed through the book, taking in some of the philosophical aspects, but... quite honestly I was more interested personally to read about Roran's descent into the void...
What void would that be, VonZepplin? The void of righteous wrath?
And just out of curiousity (I promise not to pick too much), what was it that you didn't like about the elves?
And just out of curiousity (I promise not to pick too much), what was it that you didn't like about the elves?
Well, just that they seemed as though they were a race at odds with each other, though they themselves denied it... Also they are constantly babbling about philosophy, nature, and history... which I found kind of slow going. The songs and poems are neat, but as in LOTR, I tended to skip past them and read the passage later, otherwise it seemed to me to disturb the plotline. Dwarves are irratible, but they at least have attitude, and still do stupid things, even though they are also supposedly ancient and infinitely wise... And don't get me started with Roran... if you recall the first book, Galbatorix is described as going on such a quest for vengence of his so-called friends, and ended up destroying order as we know it. While Roran's character may not have been demurred as such, he has become cold and fanatical... in other words, a zealot to his own cause, almost begging to be a martyr.
If anyone here is irrational, it is you, sir.
What, are you Hargo, Tal?!?
Or are you trying to unctiously butt into our conversation?
Anyway, you don't know me... I could be perfectly normal in sane in the real-world... or not.
AS you see, I have every right to be prejudice against whoever I choose, because you are prejudice also.
Or are you trying to unctiously butt into our conversation?
Anyway, you don't know me... I could be perfectly normal in sane in the real-world... or not.
AS you see, I have every right to be prejudice against whoever I choose, because you are prejudice also.
Ah, the joys of those who don't use nested view in the forums. Tal wasn't addressing you, VZ.
I apologize. I was overly emphatic in my language (which can happen when I get, well, emphatic). However, I did find nothing particularly praise-worthy in Paolini's work. His book was generic fantasy (not horrible) told through bland and uninteresting prose. I read many books between the ages of 10 and 14 that were at least equal to (if not better) that the quality of his work, yet, inexplicably, were far, far less famous.
And don't get me started with Roran... if you recall the first book, Galbatorix is described as going on such a quest for vengence of his so-called friends, and ended up destroying order as we know it. While Roran's character may not have been demurred as such, he has become cold and fanatical... in other words, a zealot to his own cause, almost begging to be a martyr.
Not all who go on such quests turn out like Galbatorix. In the Sword of Truth books Richard often goes on quests on righteous wrath (especially when people kidnap his love, Kahlan), but throughout the series Richard remains a hero and does not go the way Galbatorix did. Also Galbatorix started from a level of selfishness and self-interest gone too far that Roran did not. Roran has what is described in the Sword of Truth as one of the most rational and most dangerous things: righteous wrath. Roran does not want to be a matyr. He wants the one he loves back, just like Richard did when he used a powerful spell to kill thousands of Imperial Order troops in one go when they blocked his access to Kahlan. Note they were evil men anyway. To want the person you want back is not vengance. It's love.
Not all who go on such quests turn out like Galbatorix. In the Sword of Truth books Richard often goes on quests on righteous wrath (especially when people kidnap his love, Kahlan), but throughout the series Richard remains a hero and does not go the way Galbatorix did. Also Galbatorix started from a level of selfishness and self-interest gone too far that Roran did not. Roran has what is described in the Sword of Truth as one of the most rational and most dangerous things: righteous wrath. Roran does not want to be a matyr. He wants the one he loves back, just like Richard did when he used a powerful spell to kill thousands of Imperial Order troops in one go when they blocked his access to Kahlan. Note they were evil men anyway. To want the person you want back is not vengance. It's love.
This may surprise you, Tal (along with others), but I'm not even going to bother with my usual response to that. I'm tired of speaking of reason to those that violate the Wizard's Tenth Rule: Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self.
So I'm not the only one who watched Mr. Wizard's World. Excellence. 
Wow, you know, could you make it any more apparent that you live in a fantasy world than by quoting "Wizard's Rules"?
Wow, you know, could you make it any more apparent that you live in a fantasy world than by quoting "Wizard's Rules"?
Actually, Striker, that isn't true. the Wizard's Rules are actually just the name Terry Goodkind gave them for his book series. They aren't something he made up just for a fantasy world. he doesn't write that way. He doesn't even consider his books fantasy. He considers them philosophical books with fantasy elements. He writes anout Objectivism, not fantasy. The Wizard's Rules are his personal beliefs, not a fantasy creation.
ADDITION: What you are saying implies that the medium determines the truth of the message as opposed to reality, which is a load of rubbish.
Actually, Striker, that isn't true. the Wizard's Rules are actually just the name Terry Goodkind gave them for his book series. They aren't something he made up just for a fantasy world. he doesn't write that way. He doesn't even consider his books fantasy. He considers them philosophical books with fantasy elements. He writes anout Objectivism, not fantasy. The Wizard's Rules are his personal beliefs, not a fantasy creation.
ADDITION: What you are saying implies that the medium determines the truth of the message as opposed to reality, which is a load of rubbish.
I shall determine the truth for myself....
And note Draconic that it is not Sunday, so you do not have to give me a sermon...
EDIT: I think that you are a monk. Living a reclusive life in a small room in a monastery, with only a computer, Hargo, and the entire collection of Terry Goodkind novels to keep you company... there you feel the need to deliver your words of wisdom on the crusade of the rightous and the coilition of the willing. Call me a nihilist, but many of your posts seem to suggest that you are quixotic and rebellious- just as my posts reflect a view of nihilism and cynicism, but hey, that's my problem, not yours...
And note Draconic that it is not Sunday, so you do not have to give me a sermon...
EDIT: I think that you are a monk. Living a reclusive life in a small room in a monastery, with only a computer, Hargo, and the entire collection of Terry Goodkind novels to keep you company... there you feel the need to deliver your words of wisdom on the crusade of the rightous and the coilition of the willing. Call me a nihilist, but many of your posts seem to suggest that you are quixotic and rebellious- just as my posts reflect a view of nihilism and cynicism, but hey, that's my problem, not yours...
Is Terry Goodkind your soulmate or something? It is alright to have a favorite author, sure... But you refer not only to his books, but to him as a person- constantly. You describe yourself as a Individualist, but you only discern this by taking someone else's philosphy and quoting it... If his novels are fascinating and hold immortal truths, I don't know... I do know that a similar view was held by L. Ron Hubbard. And now look, DraconicTomCruise, you have me preaching... was that your plot all along? To make me roast in ironic miscontent? It won't work.
ON to the point of Rightous Wrath. I don't want to get to technical, but in Hawthorne's The Scarlet Letter, he describes Hester's husband Chillingsworth as a rightous and loving man that has been twisted to a beast that is not a man from his longing quest to retrieve his one love from Dimmesdale, whose own love for Hester cause him to "suffer as no man has suffered", and Dimmesdale in effect becomes an object of self-hatred and guilt.
ON to the point of Rightous Wrath. I don't want to get to technical, but in Hawthorne's The Scarlet Letter, he describes Hester's husband Chillingsworth as a rightous and loving man that has been twisted to a beast that is not a man from his longing quest to retrieve his one love from Dimmesdale, whose own love for Hester cause him to "suffer as no man has suffered", and Dimmesdale in effect becomes an object of self-hatred and guilt.
Actually, VonZepplin, I live in one of the official Massey University Albany Campus official student accommodations and I have plenty of friends. And even a girlfriend. So that shoots your secluded life theory out the window.
And I'm no rebel. I believe in the neccesity of authority. I just don't agree with what most authority I have encountered thinks.
And I'm no rebel. I believe in the neccesity of authority. I just don't agree with what most authority I have encountered thinks.
Is Terry Goodkind your soulmate or something?
Ok, now that comment is just totally out of line. Just because I happen to agree with his philosophy in it's entirity does not mean I feel that way about him. I only quote his comments becuase he words it better than I do. deciding to use the wording of others when they put it better than they do does not make me less of an individual. Rather it means that I recognise their elogant use of language.
And now look, DraconicTomCruise
That is also out of line.
There was no plot. Just intention to point out my views.
Ok, now that comment is just totally out of line. Just because I happen to agree with his philosophy in it's entirity does not mean I feel that way about him. I only quote his comments becuase he words it better than I do. deciding to use the wording of others when they put it better than they do does not make me less of an individual. Rather it means that I recognise their elogant use of language.
And now look, DraconicTomCruise
That is also out of line.
There was no plot. Just intention to point out my views.
This thread just gets better and better.
There was a plot, and if you spent more time reading on the philosphies of Doyle, Poe, Hawthorne, and Melville- maybe you would understand the sort of philosphy I generally believe in. If you want to play mind games by saying that my post actually strengthens your argument, fine by me, though you will be destined to only cause yourself more pain in the long run. I know that my argument is not strongly supported, but that is because I do not take the time to memorize every passage in my favorite books, so that I may cite on contact... Do not mistake me for a conformist, Tom Cruise, because I am actually a firm believer in the ideals of Trotskyism (though not the ways in which it has been implemented), and the need for social reformation towards global unity to avoid what will otherwise be doomsday, but since you don't know much on my philosophy, I will not try and bore with my seemingly decadent thinking...
Oh man, I just have to put my two cents in...sorry.
*puts in two pennies* Ok I am good, carry on...
*puts in two pennies* Ok I am good, carry on...
What you are saying implies that the medium determines the truth of the message as opposed to reality, which is a load of rubbish.
Yes, I suppose my comment could be construed that way, but really, what I mean is that it's more like wearing a large sign around your neck that says: "Hello. My grasp on reality is tenuous." While the sign all by itself isn't necessarily true, it helps highlight what is painfully obvious after watching you evangelize.
Yes, I suppose my comment could be construed that way, but really, what I mean is that it's more like wearing a large sign around your neck that says: "Hello. My grasp on reality is tenuous." While the sign all by itself isn't necessarily true, it helps highlight what is painfully obvious after watching you evangelize.
i follow the teachings of the great green wizard. you have broken the six magical pillars and are subject to an unholy hailing of thunderdangle goiter assblastatoions googoogoogoogoogoogoo
Accepts two cents= Alright, your fortune says that you and Hargo shall battle a gripping lightsabre duel on a lava planet.
By the way, I just listened to FOTF on Hargo's website... his style reminds me of John Lennon's later works.... that and it was loosely based on the novel at best... although I may have that opinion just because I have not read it.
EDIT: By the way, if I kidnapped your girlfriend and put her behind an armed installation with 1000 guards, you would be toasted on site, no matter how many you managed to kill- so hahaha. Not that I would do that, I would kill you psychyologically, and within years afterwards my own remorse would find me and kill me... so I'll be nice and let the two of you decide how to spend your lives together, saying that you don't get divorced within two years of marriage like about half of the population do...
EDIT: By the way, if I kidnapped your girlfriend and put her behind an armed installation with 1000 guards, you would be toasted on site, no matter how many you managed to kill- so hahaha. Not that I would do that, I would kill you psychyologically, and within years afterwards my own remorse would find me and kill me... so I'll be nice and let the two of you decide how to spend your lives together, saying that you don't get divorced within two years of marriage like about half of the population do...
Please do no call me, Tom Cruise. I do like like being likened to someone who belives in the crazy irrational crap that is Scientology.
For as Terry Goodkind would say, "Scientology is the opposite of truth, and therefore must be fantasy. Which my books are not.".
anyone still arguing in this thread is on drugs thats the only explaination i can come up with
No, we are going to try and make the longest thread ever!!
And anyway, what does it matter about Tom Cruise... he got canned anyway...
EDIT: It is alright. I do not want to do your enemy...yawn... It is just that personally I think that institutions need to be more restrictive on the rights of people as a group and more lenient on individual rights... restrictions should be fitted to a person in accordance to their illnesses, mental health, handicap, and citizenship... To deny people rights is wrong... but if we allow people to openly express their freedom from society defeats the purpose of having a government at all. In accordance to the philosphy of Hobbes and Machiavelli, government is an institution designed to limit people's rights so that they will not commit criminal acts, or acts of stupidity without due punishment. Thus we can keep order in the world and avoid catastrophy and chaos.
And anyway, what does it matter about Tom Cruise... he got canned anyway...
EDIT: It is alright. I do not want to do your enemy...yawn... It is just that personally I think that institutions need to be more restrictive on the rights of people as a group and more lenient on individual rights... restrictions should be fitted to a person in accordance to their illnesses, mental health, handicap, and citizenship... To deny people rights is wrong... but if we allow people to openly express their freedom from society defeats the purpose of having a government at all. In accordance to the philosphy of Hobbes and Machiavelli, government is an institution designed to limit people's rights so that they will not commit criminal acts, or acts of stupidity without due punishment. Thus we can keep order in the world and avoid catastrophy and chaos.
but what happens when government itself becomes the act of stupidity, crime, and chaos??!?
you utopians all think alike, whether you be fascist communist liberal democrat WHATEVER
you think that human beings are capable of creating a PERFECT SYSTEM.
government will always be a HUMAN institution. is it not quite evident that humans are stupid, violent, ignorant, one sided, and greedy? look at our pathetic history my friend.
it will always be this way.
the most you can do is live your life the best you can. you cant change the world. but you can change yourself.
we will never be perfect.
why am i bothering to argue this to you? maybe im trying to be rational. logic is logic. when you realize how to use it, rather than believeing what you WANT to believe and coming up with whatever logical justifications meet your already established preconcieved notions, then my friend you will be a true thinker, a true dreamer, a true philosophist. for now keep your kiddy shoot OFF THIS fudgeIN BOARD THIS ISNT PHILOSOPHY 101 THIS IS THE DINK NETWORK WE DO NOT DISCUSS THINGS WITH INTELLIGENCE WE DO NOT QUESTION WE DO NOT LEARN WE LOATH IN BRAINWASHING AND DESPAIR THIS BOARD IS RULED BY THE IRON FINGER OF RED INK DO NOT USE YOUR BRAIN HERE IT IS NOT ALLOWED!11111
"it is mans natural sickness to believe that he possesses the truth" -blaise pascal
"it is mans natural sickness to believe that he is capable of perfection, absence of complete greed, hopelessness, and being anything other than simply an elitist snob" -joshriot
you utopians all think alike, whether you be fascist communist liberal democrat WHATEVER
you think that human beings are capable of creating a PERFECT SYSTEM.
government will always be a HUMAN institution. is it not quite evident that humans are stupid, violent, ignorant, one sided, and greedy? look at our pathetic history my friend.
it will always be this way.
the most you can do is live your life the best you can. you cant change the world. but you can change yourself.
we will never be perfect.
why am i bothering to argue this to you? maybe im trying to be rational. logic is logic. when you realize how to use it, rather than believeing what you WANT to believe and coming up with whatever logical justifications meet your already established preconcieved notions, then my friend you will be a true thinker, a true dreamer, a true philosophist. for now keep your kiddy shoot OFF THIS fudgeIN BOARD THIS ISNT PHILOSOPHY 101 THIS IS THE DINK NETWORK WE DO NOT DISCUSS THINGS WITH INTELLIGENCE WE DO NOT QUESTION WE DO NOT LEARN WE LOATH IN BRAINWASHING AND DESPAIR THIS BOARD IS RULED BY THE IRON FINGER OF RED INK DO NOT USE YOUR BRAIN HERE IT IS NOT ALLOWED!11111
"it is mans natural sickness to believe that he possesses the truth" -blaise pascal
"it is mans natural sickness to believe that he is capable of perfection, absence of complete greed, hopelessness, and being anything other than simply an elitist snob" -joshriot
I never said that I believed that the government was perfect... and in a lot of ways it is pretty bad, but input and debate can make A More Perfect Union, my friend (imagine a global union).
Say that people forget their woes and grievances, but this may never happen. I wish to believe in the elite only because otherwise I would be undoubtably depressed at the state of things... It is clear that what is being done by the current generation is wrong, and this will need to change, because our generation will be the one to deal with all the crap that has been construed on us through the last 200 years. We will be the ones effected by global-warming, we will be the ones effected by global strife, we will be the ones that will leave a lasting impact on the generation after- but age old ideals are in decline and we are in a state of moral crisis. People look to Christ only as a reason to say that they are right, but not as a figure of the divine rules of courtesy, respect, and forgiveness. Also, I think that it is unfair to say that I am not allowed to engage in a philosophical debate when I feel the need. It keeps my mind sharp, and, Josh, if you have failed to notice as of yet- this is the off-topic forum, so I can post whatever the Hell I want... if you don't like it, then don't read it- it really does not matter if you are too daft to realize that I do believe in my opinions, and not because someone or some book told me so. I have expiremented with several different view-points, with such stages as being an Anarchist, a Capitalist, an Elitist- I find that my current view is really more personal and cannot be derived from any name or idea. While there are philosophers that I agree with to an extent, there are none that truly reveal my beliefs. This is what makes me and Draconic different. While Draconic becomes the acolyte to anothers disciplines, I make my own. It does not mean that you necessarily have to believe me, but do keep in mind that I wish to share my opinion and viewpoint, as is just in a rightous world. I could always be wrong, but I never asked you to believe that I am right. Right and wrong are in truth really just words that people use to define whether or not something correlates with their viewpoint or not. You do not agree with me, and that is fine, as long as you agree with yourself you will in turn become a better person. The trick is to liten to one's heart and formulate your own hypotheses based on real life experiences, not just philosophical debates or evangelists. If you are lost and feel the need for someone else to tell you what to think, that is fine, but I will not approve of it. While it is part of my agenda that I convince others that my ideas will, in fact, be beneficial to not just this generation, but the human race- I most humble myself and realize that it is not with one voice that the human race is represented, but with all the voices chattering in different words. Do I believe that the world is perfect? Far from, and in reality I doubt that it is really achievable, but, philosophically speaking, it is a good point to try and work towards, because there is always the chance to motivate people to try and improve the world as we know it now. Also, we do have examples of the workings of a perfect world. Read Plato's The Republic or Moore's Utopia if you need evidence of my point.
Thus, do not condone me for pushing my opinions. As you say, there is human nature, and I believe that it is also a part of human nature for one to be expressive of their ideas. If one cannot express their own ideas and be able to show how it is different for another's, then there is really no point in even thinking. So if you do not want to think for yourself, don't do it. Just turn on your television and allow yourself to be brainwashed- it will make it easier for those of us that are inspired to try and be a leading influence.
Say that people forget their woes and grievances, but this may never happen. I wish to believe in the elite only because otherwise I would be undoubtably depressed at the state of things... It is clear that what is being done by the current generation is wrong, and this will need to change, because our generation will be the one to deal with all the crap that has been construed on us through the last 200 years. We will be the ones effected by global-warming, we will be the ones effected by global strife, we will be the ones that will leave a lasting impact on the generation after- but age old ideals are in decline and we are in a state of moral crisis. People look to Christ only as a reason to say that they are right, but not as a figure of the divine rules of courtesy, respect, and forgiveness. Also, I think that it is unfair to say that I am not allowed to engage in a philosophical debate when I feel the need. It keeps my mind sharp, and, Josh, if you have failed to notice as of yet- this is the off-topic forum, so I can post whatever the Hell I want... if you don't like it, then don't read it- it really does not matter if you are too daft to realize that I do believe in my opinions, and not because someone or some book told me so. I have expiremented with several different view-points, with such stages as being an Anarchist, a Capitalist, an Elitist- I find that my current view is really more personal and cannot be derived from any name or idea. While there are philosophers that I agree with to an extent, there are none that truly reveal my beliefs. This is what makes me and Draconic different. While Draconic becomes the acolyte to anothers disciplines, I make my own. It does not mean that you necessarily have to believe me, but do keep in mind that I wish to share my opinion and viewpoint, as is just in a rightous world. I could always be wrong, but I never asked you to believe that I am right. Right and wrong are in truth really just words that people use to define whether or not something correlates with their viewpoint or not. You do not agree with me, and that is fine, as long as you agree with yourself you will in turn become a better person. The trick is to liten to one's heart and formulate your own hypotheses based on real life experiences, not just philosophical debates or evangelists. If you are lost and feel the need for someone else to tell you what to think, that is fine, but I will not approve of it. While it is part of my agenda that I convince others that my ideas will, in fact, be beneficial to not just this generation, but the human race- I most humble myself and realize that it is not with one voice that the human race is represented, but with all the voices chattering in different words. Do I believe that the world is perfect? Far from, and in reality I doubt that it is really achievable, but, philosophically speaking, it is a good point to try and work towards, because there is always the chance to motivate people to try and improve the world as we know it now. Also, we do have examples of the workings of a perfect world. Read Plato's The Republic or Moore's Utopia if you need evidence of my point.
Thus, do not condone me for pushing my opinions. As you say, there is human nature, and I believe that it is also a part of human nature for one to be expressive of their ideas. If one cannot express their own ideas and be able to show how it is different for another's, then there is really no point in even thinking. So if you do not want to think for yourself, don't do it. Just turn on your television and allow yourself to be brainwashed- it will make it easier for those of us that are inspired to try and be a leading influence.
1. what the hell are you talking about i was making a point that government is not a divine establishment capable of bring about any form of grace to this fudgeed up world that is it im not saying anything about people not being allowed to discuss philosophy or anything. did i say that? did i say you are not allowed to discuss philosophy or anything intelligent? i think not. ok yeah i did. IT WAS A FREAKING JOKE. GEEEEEEEEEEEEZE.
2. plato is also the guy who came up with the cave concept therefore this board does not even exist apart from a shadow of something else meaning you are really not awake your brain is conjouring up random thoughts none of this is real none of this is even happening your thoughts are a sneeze in the circuitry of one molecule of something else somewhere in another world and this is all an accidental moment that means nothing therefore everything im typing is nothing and all a part of the matrix I WAS FREAKING JOKING GEEEEEZE. GEEEEEEZE. DONT WRITE 2 PAGE ESSAYS ABOUT ME SAYING YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY WHAT YOU WANT BECAUSE I AM TELLING YOU YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO NOTHING I AM IN CHARGE NOW DONT COME TO THIS BOARD ANYMORE GO PLAY GOLF AND DRINK PEPSI AND FORGET THIS MESSAGE EVEN EXISTS YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK ALL THINKING IS PUNISHABLE BY ELF BITES
and no matter what you do DO NOT eat the cookies
2. plato is also the guy who came up with the cave concept therefore this board does not even exist apart from a shadow of something else meaning you are really not awake your brain is conjouring up random thoughts none of this is real none of this is even happening your thoughts are a sneeze in the circuitry of one molecule of something else somewhere in another world and this is all an accidental moment that means nothing therefore everything im typing is nothing and all a part of the matrix I WAS FREAKING JOKING GEEEEEZE. GEEEEEEZE. DONT WRITE 2 PAGE ESSAYS ABOUT ME SAYING YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY WHAT YOU WANT BECAUSE I AM TELLING YOU YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO NOTHING I AM IN CHARGE NOW DONT COME TO THIS BOARD ANYMORE GO PLAY GOLF AND DRINK PEPSI AND FORGET THIS MESSAGE EVEN EXISTS YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK ALL THINKING IS PUNISHABLE BY ELF BITES
and no matter what you do DO NOT eat the cookies
Even peanut butter cookies?
Geez, you are sure the emotional one today... I should think that you are opting for a flame war you crzed rabble-rouser you.
You and your all capped madness and your odstinate use of anger only supports my reasoning that morality has all but dissappeared in this modern world... You are the type of person who would advocate war just to see people die... you want me to leave? Well, guess what? I don't play golf and I bet you do. You are basically a fusion between Kanye West, Lewis Black, and Bill O`Reilly.
Now go do your gang-violence stuff and shut up. I can post whatever I want to- this is off-topic.
If you do not want me to post then maybe you shoulded say anything and instead go and take your anger out on some innocent civilians- you'll feel much better. Also, if you really were joking, just know that your jokes really, really, suck.
Geez, you are sure the emotional one today... I should think that you are opting for a flame war you crzed rabble-rouser you.
You and your all capped madness and your odstinate use of anger only supports my reasoning that morality has all but dissappeared in this modern world... You are the type of person who would advocate war just to see people die... you want me to leave? Well, guess what? I don't play golf and I bet you do. You are basically a fusion between Kanye West, Lewis Black, and Bill O`Reilly.
Now go do your gang-violence stuff and shut up. I can post whatever I want to- this is off-topic.
If you do not want me to post then maybe you shoulded say anything and instead go and take your anger out on some innocent civilians- you'll feel much better. Also, if you really were joking, just know that your jokes really, really, suck.
garggleassgaugestrudelcomplete I SAID NO COOKIES
Your just upset because you don't have Striker to blaim for everything right now.
EDIT: You are right about Plato's cave concept. But I thought I already said this, but, do know that I do not completely agree with any one philosopher, but make up my own ideas on how people should live in the world. Did you only read some of what I said? Because it seems you missed like half the points. Like the point that I really don't care if you hate my way of thinking- you are not going to take away my ability to express it.
EDIT: You are right about Plato's cave concept. But I thought I already said this, but, do know that I do not completely agree with any one philosopher, but make up my own ideas on how people should live in the world. Did you only read some of what I said? Because it seems you missed like half the points. Like the point that I really don't care if you hate my way of thinking- you are not going to take away my ability to express it.
im just messing with you dude chill out the only thing i was serious about in this whole mess was how people who think the government is special are just egotist/elitist WHEN I TYPE LIKE THIS IT MEANS IM JUST BEING AN ASS BECAUSE THATS WHAT I DO BECAUSE ITS FUN
you dont know me very well yet i think. basically im just the biggest devils advocate in the world. no matter what you say i will argue the opposite. so dont expect to get anywhere if you cant tell apart when i am serious and when i am not
you dont know me very well yet i think. basically im just the biggest devils advocate in the world. no matter what you say i will argue the opposite. so dont expect to get anywhere if you cant tell apart when i am serious and when i am not
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!
I refuse to believe you. I will advocate my reasoning at the exclusion of you. HAHAHAHAHA!!
I refuse to believe you. I will advocate my reasoning at the exclusion of you. HAHAHAHAHA!!
And here children, we see how poisonous josh can be. He has sucked this poor individual into his sea of words...look at this sad souls mind now, its banana pudding...
anything banana flavor i dont like its like the only fruit i think is friggin sick. i hate it ill be eating assorted flavored popsicles and i get to the banana flavored one and it makes me want to go and kick a monkeys ass because bananas are so disgusting.
Or rod flavor... Its always a favorite of mine...
Josh, the creater of Riots... But really, I can flame the poor emo all I want... bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha,,,cough...gag...staggered breathing.... must not laugh so hard... bad for circulatory system....
Time for another session of philosphy 101. What is the philosphy behind Ehasl's many D-Mods? Is he influenced by an outside force? Maybe it is Terry Goodkind, or maybe just Terry Pratchet. Whatever the author is, I'm pretty sure it is a Terry... This Terry and Ehasl are trying to destroy the DN with Gungs, Coconut monkeys, and ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ Original.
What is your thoughts , and how do you think we can stop Terry from influencing Ehasl to begin another D-Mod?
Post your thoughts, here, at philosphy 101 Dink Network style.
What is your thoughts , and how do you think we can stop Terry from influencing Ehasl to begin another D-Mod?
Post your thoughts, here, at philosphy 101 Dink Network style.
I, for one, was pretty happy that this thread suddenly died.
the philosophy is quite simple play his bangerang boomerang mod thing i think that sums it up quite well on its own
Newsflash: rp64 has just unveiled that Ehasl is really Geraldo Rivera, and that the two of them share a single bed hotel room at the night owl inn. I guess giant whiskers really turn rp on.
