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Story for D-MOD

July 8th 2004, 01:45 PM
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TA
Peasant He/Him
 
I make new D-MOD, but i dont have story!
write me a story, then i can make D-MOD.
July 8th 2004, 01:48 PM
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who needs a story? make a hack'n'slash dmod!
July 8th 2004, 01:49 PM
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TA
Peasant He/Him
 
What is hack'n'slash suomeks!?
July 8th 2004, 01:53 PM
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hmm, en kyllä tiedä.

mutta hack'n'slash pelit on siis sellasia joissa menään ja mätetään kaikkea turpaan.
July 8th 2004, 01:55 PM
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TA
Peasant He/Him
 
No sit mä teen sellasen! Kiitos!
July 8th 2004, 02:53 PM
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MTG
Peasant He/Him
 
Diablo, for example. if you don´t count those RGP things .
July 8th 2004, 07:36 PM
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Let's see what that means in ebonics!

ta: yo, fudgeer. i don't play. what be a hack'n'slah?

scratcher: the fudge you don't play...
surely you'd get yo ass beat in a dogfight wit da reapa. dat what hack'n'slash be, fudgeer.

ta: don't call me shirley! Peace!

July 8th 2004, 09:14 PM
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merlin
Peasant He/Him
 
Let's not.
July 9th 2004, 01:54 AM
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SabreTrout
Noble He/Him United Kingdom
Tigertigertiger. 
Hack 'n' Slash is where there is no, or little plot, and the game revolves around high-octane fighting pretty much throughout.

It does NOT mean screen after screen of screenlocked enemies!
That is way uncool.
July 13th 2004, 09:25 AM
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miirage
Peasant She/Her
 
When you write a story for a dmod how much detail do you need?
If you could give me a basic idea of what is required I would love to write a story for you
hack and slash or any kind
July 13th 2004, 09:56 AM
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Astral
Peasant He/Him
 
Make a story of a giant banana called*Mother Banana* who lost her baby Banano...
Dink must collect them all 'pokemon' lol
But when dink his on is way to find them, some monkey is eating them all!
So dink *with fury* deside to kill the monkey and return to moman Banana and kill her because he angry to play some stupid game and write a better one.

/Put your halfway story here/

At the end! The mother monkey is there wating and very angry that you killed her baby so you must kill her or you die!

/Happy or Bad ending (depend of your point of view)/
*credits*
July 13th 2004, 01:01 PM
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merlin
Peasant He/Him
 
Miirage: I've got a better idea -- don't listen to Astral.
July 13th 2004, 01:03 PM
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Astral
Peasant He/Him
 
lol I was just joking around!
If you do that the maximum score you can get is a 0.5 lol
July 13th 2004, 01:21 PM
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magicman
Peasant They/Them Netherlands duck
Mmmm, pizza. 
Ahhh... nou YOU must try Quest for Cheese...
July 13th 2004, 02:00 PM
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Astral
Peasant He/Him
 
Well I did play quest for cheese (great game)
but... ha well maybe a 5.0 lol
(The story is too stupid)
July 14th 2004, 08:03 AM
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MadStalker
Peasant He/Him Finland
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Quest for Cheese rules!!

For my (maybe) upcoming D-mod, Quest for Cheese is the same thing as Stone is for Children of Bodom
July 14th 2004, 08:08 PM
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miirage
Peasant She/Her
 
hmm nobody really answered my question
July 14th 2004, 08:52 PM
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Astral
Peasant He/Him
 
check the stupid story that I *writed*
it at most of all the thing someone can need to do a dmod (well I think lol)
July 17th 2004, 02:55 PM
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miirage
Peasant She/Her
 
ok here goes.....

Dink and the wheel of time

Things have been quiet and peaceful for Dink since he returned to his small village. Single and enjoying his youth he spends most of his time drinking in the local pub and enjoying his celebrity.
The one day a stranger appears in Dinks village he is very strange to behold looking like one of the wizards except he has red skin and dark clothing. He tells Dink that he must travel with him to a far and distant land where the female magi are born. Dink of course questions what this has to do with him. The strange man tells him that Dinks notority has spread through the world and his mistress has fortold that only Dink can save them all from destruction.
Dink agrees to travel to this foreign land. Using magic they are transported to Zangabar the home of the female magi.
Dink meets the Emperess of Zangabar she is tall and looks like an amazon all the people here have red skin. The empress explains the history of her land. She tells how long ago her people were blessed with the responsibility to protect the wheel of time a powerful enchantment which controls the world as we know it. If it was to be disturbed then the world would cease to turn and darkness will fall upon the land destroying all life. This responsibility was to be protected and the females in the line of the royal family were enchanted so that once in their life time they would give birth to a female magi. It were to be these magis who protected and served the wheel of time. Each lived only as long as her mother. As a new empresses reigned she would give life to a new magi.
Dink has listened intently to this long history and now asks what has he got to do with this since she is the empress and she has her magi to protect the wheel of time?
Then the empresses tells him that the female magi disappeared in the middle of the night. When the palace awaoke she could be found no where. For all the magis power she has no way to protect her self and that is the job of her people. So now Dink we are asking you to help us recover the magi. We believe she has been taken my a evil sourcerer who wishes to destroy this planet as part of his evil dementia. You must travel to the furtherest corners of the world to a dark forest which no person has stepped foot in for thousands of years. There will be some things you will need to gather to help you complete your quest. There are several villages which were given a piece of a magical weapon. Travel first and collect the pieces so that you can use it to help you defeat the sorcerer and return our magi.
Dink accepets his quest (hopefully) and sets of to restore harmony to the world.
After travelling through various villages and collecting the weapon he places it together and travels to the dark forest. He makes his way to the evil sourcerer and duly slays him ( with lots of blood !! ) He finds the magi but she is weak and sick. On the return trip she dies. Dink understands what he must do as the magi spoke to him in riddles before she left. He returns to the palace and slays the empress. In due time the new empress gives birth to a new magi and the world is saved...
Thank you Dink
July 18th 2004, 03:30 AM
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SabreTrout
Noble He/Him United Kingdom
Tigertigertiger. 
Can anybody else say "typical fantasy hokum?".

Whilst a d-mod with that depth of story implemented could indeed rock, the most important thing by far is the implementation of the story.
You don't need a great storyline for a great d-mod. In fact, the more complicated it is, the harder it will be for the player to understand what is going on.

But I do like the idea of the mythical Wheel of Time, guarded by the Magi for millenia.
July 18th 2004, 10:13 AM
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WC
Peasant He/Him United States
Destroying noobs since 1999. 
I got one.

One day this retarded noob who posts alot of useless repeative crap came to the board. Then WC came along and kicked his ass so hard he left and went home to suck on his moms breats.

Hows that?
July 18th 2004, 10:14 AM
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Christiaan
Bard They/Them Netherlands
Lazy bum 
what is this thing, called breats?
July 18th 2004, 09:27 PM
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You don't need a great storyline for a great d-mod

Well, no dmod with a really good story exists... We should seriously have a contest about that, as I'd really like to play more story-oriented dmods.
July 18th 2004, 09:57 PM
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merlin
Peasant He/Him
 
I'd have to disagree when it comes to Prophecy of the Ancients. That was a good story.
July 19th 2004, 03:02 AM
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SabreTrout
Noble He/Him United Kingdom
Tigertigertiger. 
It's pretty hard to translate a good story into Dink. But a story orientated contest could be nice.
Again though, what counts as a good story is highly subjective.
July 20th 2004, 09:02 AM
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Kyle
Peasant He/Him Belgium
 
Well, we've always had themed contests, but there's really no need for that.

Having an element to focus on, like story, would do just as well in my opinion. It may be subjective, but I guess having the staff as judges always results in subjective results.

I disagree that a good story is not required for a good d-mod however. In fact, I DO agree with the statement that no d-mod has yet benefited from an exceptional story as the main highlight of the game. So, we see high scores for d-mods with a generic story and think that a story is not required for a good d-mod.

Suppose now that a d-mod with an exceptional story comes up and the gameplay elements are above standard as well, what score will you want to give it? 11/10? We may never know.

Having said that, I'm a bit biased as I've been working on a huge, detalied and involving story myself and I hope to one day make a d-mod out of it. Dink may ultimately not be fitted for story-driven games, but there's only one way to find out, isn't there? I'm going to continue working on it and once Windemere has been released I intend to get back to Dink editing (which I haven't done anymore in a long time).
July 20th 2004, 12:49 PM
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How many RPG's have even been made with both story and gameplay? I haven't played too many, but one-or-the-other seems to be the rule.

Basically, a game rewards you in certain ways for doing certain things. A story based game rewards you by unlocking parts of the story. A fighting-based game *usually* rewards you with levels and items. Are the two incompatible? I doubt it. Unlocking the cutscenes certainly was part of my motivation for playing Diablo II. But in general, you either collect stuff or follow a story, and collecting stuff works better in games with a lot of fighting.

The only RPG I know of which combines truly good gameplay with a truly good story is Grim Fandango.

Oni is probably the best example of fighting to advance a story, and although the story kept me playing to the end, I couldn't call it brilliant.
July 20th 2004, 01:06 PM
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Drake
Peasant He/Him
 
What about final fantasy 7? That had both.
July 20th 2004, 01:17 PM
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Kyle
Peasant He/Him Belgium
 
There are plenty of good RPGs with good story and gameplay. Just to name a few :

- Xenosaga
- Xenogears
- Final Fantasy 4-10
- Chrono Cross / Trigger
- Tales of Eternia
- Grandia II

I could probably name a lot more if I took more than a few minutes thinking about it.
July 20th 2004, 01:28 PM
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Tal
Noble He/Him United States
Super Sexy Tal Pal 
I'm currently about a third of the way through Final Fantasy 7.. and though the story and characters are engaging enough (with the possible exception of the always-pissy Barret), I think the game is way too easy. I won't pass final judgment until I've finished it, I suppose, but so far it looks as though it will be a keeper in my book - but not a classic.
July 20th 2004, 02:04 PM
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finaly fantasy 7 wasn't a bad game, but it was WAAAAY overrated. in my opinion, chrono trigger is the best rpg of its kind.
July 20th 2004, 02:12 PM
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glennglenn
Peasant He/Him Norway
GlennGlenn doesn't want a custom title. 
I like final fantasy 7, but i havent played chrono trgger before though.
July 20th 2004, 04:07 PM
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Arik
Peasant He/Him
 
:finaly fantasy 7 wasn't a bad game, but it was WAAAAY overrated. in my opinion, chrono trigger is the best rpg of its kind

Hark at Mister Controversial here.

It is interesting to see the complete lack of any western RPGs in Kyle's list, though...
July 20th 2004, 04:12 PM
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Christiaan
Bard They/Them Netherlands
Lazy bum 
Hey, what about Baldur's Gate? huh? HUH?!
July 20th 2004, 05:29 PM
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FFVII was certainly an, er, intriguing story. But the fighting was a little lame IMHO.
July 20th 2004, 07:05 PM
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Tal
Noble He/Him United States
Super Sexy Tal Pal 
Christiaan is just sad because he doesn't have a miniature giant space hamster all to his own.
July 20th 2004, 08:08 PM
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Astral
Peasant He/Him
 
Anyone here have played Valkyrie profile, it a RPG very story orianted, the battle system was kinda weird but fun...

Well most of the RPG on Playstation/SNES have good balance of Storyline and fighting but with dink it another story...

With dink too many cute-scene become really boring to do (and too play)

The only game balanced is POTA (like someone said before) good story and good battle...that the king of game i would want to make if I could lol

-Astral
July 21st 2004, 02:18 AM
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glennglenn
Peasant He/Him Norway
GlennGlenn doesn't want a custom title. 
have any of you guys ver tried the Might and magic series or played one of them? that is a goood 3d rpg and it goblins there faries there and many cool things. the series is up to 1 - 9 games and that is almost as much as final fantasy series
July 21st 2004, 04:22 AM
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Kyle
Peasant He/Him Belgium
 
Well, Arik, give me a few examples of good western RPGs and I'll consider them. The Infinity Engine games are all great, but they're not really RPGs like we were talking about. Aside from that, I know of absolutely no western RPGs that fit in the "extremely good" list.
July 21st 2004, 04:35 AM
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Christiaan
Bard They/Them Netherlands
Lazy bum 
and I want one so bad
July 21st 2004, 07:59 AM
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Tal
Noble He/Him United States
Super Sexy Tal Pal 
Hmm, Kyle = console kiddie?
July 21st 2004, 09:19 AM
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Dukie
Peasant He/Him
 
The only RPG I know of which combines truly good gameplay with a truly good story is Grim Fandango.

Umm, Grim Fandango is a full blooded adventure game. But it's a real good one though, everyone play it!
July 21st 2004, 09:58 AM
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safmoor
Peasant He/Him
 
No one makes adventure games anymore. It's so awfully depressing because we need some games that aren't action oriented or RPGs.
July 21st 2004, 12:03 PM
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Tal
Noble He/Him United States
Super Sexy Tal Pal 
The Adventure Company publishes plenty of adventures... terrible ones, that is. I'm looking forward to Autumn Moon Entertainment's A Vampyre Story. It looks promising.
July 21st 2004, 01:34 PM
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Kyle
Peasant He/Him Belgium
 
When it comes to RPGs I'm a definite console kiddie, yes, simply because THERE ARE NO GOOD TRADITIONAL RPGS ON PC

Next to RPGs I do play a lot of games on PC.

The Adventure Company doesn't only publish bad adventures, although many often seem over complicated (gimme Day of the Tentacle any time!). At least they keep the genre alive
July 21st 2004, 02:05 PM
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Tal
Noble He/Him United States
Super Sexy Tal Pal 
There are plenty. I think the issue is that you simply prefer the console-RPG style. Maybe you should try Anachronox?
July 21st 2004, 02:10 PM
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redink1
King He/Him United States bloop
A mother ducking wizard 
Traditional RPG? I'd wager that there are no traditional RPGs on a console... remember the whole RPG thing is a descendent of Paper Role Playing Games, where customization is key.

You aren't given a character, you have to create your own and develop the story from there.

In all console RPGs that I can think of, you can't create your own character, outside of class and name. And, from my outside perspective, RPGs like Final Fantasy are just glorified stories surrounded by some limited exploration, mini-games, and a battle-system. Not exactly playing a role.

Contrast that to something like Fallout, Baldur's Gate, or Neverwinter Nights where you actually create a character. You can be a ruthless fellow who kills everyone he can, or a kind soul who befriends even the mutants. In at least Fallout 2, you can disregard the main story almost entirely and do your own thing. That's role playing.

I think I could be wrong though.
July 21st 2004, 06:33 PM
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Drake
Ghost They/Them
 
At mackrays keep you can play pen and paper RPGs online. It's basicly a message board system which has character sheets and random number generators. It's pretty cool though.
July 22nd 2004, 05:17 AM
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Kyle
Peasant He/Him Belgium
 
The RPGs you are describing (BG, Fallout, NWN, ...) are commonly called CRPGs, which stands for Classic Role Playing Games. Traditional RPGs however, are RPGs in the more Japanese style. I didn't make this up, the gaming press uses these terms (and I read a LOT of gaming news, especially RPG related).

I haven't played Anachronox yet, only the demo, which seemed more like an adventure game than an RPG.

As I said, I HAVE played BG1, BG2, Icewind Dale 1, Icewind Dale 2 and NWN with all three expansion and I DO love them, but they're not the RPGs I was talking about. Sure, you can create your own character, but not always you know. Look at BG1 & 2, you can choose a name and a class, exactly what you're saying Final Fantasy does. In BG2 you're still a character with a predetermined background story. And even though you can explore (which you can do in Final Fantasy as well, just not the more recent ones) you still can't go anywhere you like due to story restrictions.

I haven't played Fallout yet though so that may be a different case.

Bottomline is, I love all sorts of RPGs, but when I'm thinking about RPGs with exceptionally involving stories (that's what the topic is about, eventually), I tend to think more about console RPGs than PC RPGs.
July 22nd 2004, 06:09 AM
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Tal
Noble He/Him United States
Super Sexy Tal Pal 
I have kept up with every little bit of gaming news for years and years, and do not remember Japanese RPGs ever being labeled as "traditional."

Edit: Hm. A good Googling seems to imply that the console RPG style is in fact referred to as "traditional." Why this is, or why I never really caught that, I don't know.
July 22nd 2004, 09:22 AM
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safmoor
Peasant He/Him
 
fudge RPG's, my ass is going to play Shenmue.
July 22nd 2004, 10:34 PM
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Tal
Noble He/Him United States
Super Sexy Tal Pal 
That reminds me of a review I read in an issue of Game Informer some time ago... apparently, the game (a fighting game) was so easy that the reviewer was able to defeat an opponent just by slamming the controller against his ass.