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Why?

The monarchy is religious

Why cant it be more like Australia, France, Germany, Iceland, Switzerland, Austria, Finland, Poland, ect.

Christianity over there is nothing like Islam in Saudi Arabia (which is compulsory) and a little more similar to Judaism in Isreal (about 20% of Israeli Jews consider themselves religious).

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Doesn't Australia have the same monarchy as the UK?

Why cant it be more like Australia, France, Germany, Iceland, Switzerland, Austria, Finland, Poland, ect.

I didnt write Australia go back and check it for yourself.

This still doesnt prove anything this is just weekly Church attendance rates that alone isnt good enough.

Doesn't Australia have the same monarchy as the UK

You mean Britain 2.0 Yes it does.

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I do that all the time but you dont give any credit to me.

Yes indeed. G-d save the Queen.

Finland is religious? Most people here are Christian, but I've yet to meet a single Finnish person in my entire life who would be considered least bit religious in most other countries. That map rates us as religious as the US, yet the typical "religious" Finn would be ridiculed by the typical religious American, for how little we actually believe in our religion, or at least do to show it. In fact, I'd rate Finland as one of the least religious countries in the world, and one of the highest when it comes to people who ridicule religion. Yes, I am aware that there are some very religious people over here, and even some religious cults hidden around the forests here, but those people are very little in numbers, and the average person here isn't religious at all.

Anyway, just felt like throwing my 2 cents in on that matter. Who knows, maybe I just haven't met the right people. Maybe some other Finn on this site can give their views on the matter.

Yes indeed. G-d save the Queen.

Well there you go Ive proven my point.

Maybe some other Finn on this site can give their views on the matter.

I'm not a Finn, but I'll give my view anyway.

Measuring this is hard. What is a good metric for the religiousness of a country? As I understand it, this research used self-identification (asking people if they feel religious) with a simple true/false answer. As you point out, that may not be what you think of when you compare religiousness: a country where everyone says "yes, I'm religious, but I don't really care" gets the same score as one where everyone says "we should kill all the non-believers".

But it's still an interesting map. Note that white may mean "very nonreligious" as in Japan and China, or "no data available" as in most of Africa. Given the parts of Africa that have data, it seems the entire continent is probably very religious.

Just looking at the map is definitely misleading. While most Finns belong to the Lutheran Christian church (75% according to Wikipedia), the vast majority aren't religious at all. People belong to the church because that's just the way it is, you're supposed to belong to it. They go to church for weddings and funerals, and that's that. No one in their right mind believes in god as he's depicted in the bible, although most undoubtedly do believe in god in the sense that there is some sort of greater force out there; that your existence doesn't just end when you slip on the stairs. It's a very vague god, though, with everyone basically making up their own mind about what it means.

What surprises me the most about the map is how there seems to be such a huge difference between Sweden and Finland. From everything I've seen, I've always thought that religion is almost exactly the same way over there? (66% Lutheran Christian says Wikipedia)

Finland's also just plain coloured wrong. It should be at least one shade lighter. (Exact same a religious person percentage as USA, and less than Kazakhstan)

Just looking at the map is definitely misleading. While most Finns belong to the Lutheran Christian church (75% according to Wikipedia), the vast majority aren't religious at all. People belong to the church because that's just the way it is, you're supposed to belong to it. They go to church for weddings and funerals, and that's that

My parents,my aunties,My cousins and my sister didnt when they got married
I didn't go to a church when My grandfathers died.

It fallacy to justify something just because that's the way it is.
If everyone had that mindset we would be still stuck in the Dark Ages.

This reminds me so much of 2011. Good times bad times you know I had my share.

"I didnt write Australia go back and check it for yourself."

I know, I added it because I was amused by the fact that it rated as more religious than the UK (albeit only slightly).

I know, I added it because I was amused by the fact that it rated as more religious than the UK (albeit only slightly).

Like I said Weekly church attendance is not the only factor.

Uh huh. This is why I never get into serious discussions with you.

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I have proof that refutes your posts.

Taking this as an example: because church attendance has absolutely nothing to do with this map. You either know that and you're trolling, or you haven't read/understood the article (or even other posts in this thread) and are just mindlessly forcing your own opinion on everyone while rubbishing others.

Taking this as an example: because church attendance has absolutely nothing to do with this map. You either know that and you're trolling, or you haven't read/understood the article (or even other posts in this thread) and are just mindlessly forcing your own opinion on everyone while rubbishing others.


That map was inaccurate and Scratcher and I knew it was

It didnt even include the Brotherhood of Logic

My parents,my aunties,My cousins and my sister didnt when they got married
I didn't go to a church when My grandfathers died.

And that's entirely your own free choice. People here do so mostly because it's pretty much tradition at this point. And the easiest way. Weddings and funerals aren't held in churches because of religion, but because it's just traditional to hold it there. As far as religious beliefs go, they might as well be held in some dark alley behind a warehouse. Everybody's religion and beliefs here are their own, I'd say. Same with the ceremonies themselves. They're just leftovers of religion. By now, it's no different than the Finnish people eating ham on Christmas, and chocolate eggs on Easter. Or getting drunk and falling from boats on Midsummer. Just plain tradition.

Belonging to the Lutheran Christian church is just the common way here. A mundane thing. It's really no different than having your own name.

Dammit Skull, now I'm confused.

I got married on Midsummer's day, but not in a church. I got drunk once, but not on Midsummer. I have never fallen off a boat, but I do have my own name.

Am I religious, traditional or non-religious?

Ab-Religious?

Am I religious, traditional or non-religious?

That'd make you non-religiously 87,4% anti-atheist and d-sexual.

And that's entirely your own free choice. People here do so mostly because it's pretty much tradition at this point. And the easiest way.

That isnt a good enough reason there plenty of traditions like More primitive forms of animal slaughter,Burning people alive,Stoning people ect.

Do we just sit back and say "Oh well it just plain tradition so its ok" NO! we adapt and change in attempt to better ourselves.

Belonging to the Lutheran Christian church is just the common way here. A mundane thing. It's really no different than having your own name.

No it isnt I dont want paedophile priest to have control over what I do and act.

Everybody's religion and beliefs here are their own,
No it isnt religion is usually spread by the sword
Does Charlemagne ring a bell?
Im glad France grew out of that crap Im glad they acknowledge Human rights over religious rights.

No it isnt religion is usually spread by the sword

Woooah. That's actually a really good way to sum that up. Trademark that ducking saying immediately.

That isnt a good enough reason there plenty of traditions like More primitive forms of animal slaughter,Burning people alive,Stoning people ect.

And what is wrong with those things? Is it wrong because it's cruel and unethical, or is it wrong because it is a tradition?

Do we just sit back and say "Oh well it just plain tradition so its ok"

If it is just a tradition? Nothing more? Why wouldn't that be ok?

No it isnt I dont want paedophile priest to have control over what I do and act.

Can you explain the logic that lead you to believe that every priest is a pedophile?

What sort of control does a priest have over people who go to church only for a wedding or a funeral?

If it is just a tradition? Nothing more? Why wouldn't that be ok?
If it's illogical or unfair then no it's not ok

<ic>can you explain the logic that lead you to believe that every priest is a pedophile?
Because there are not very nice people

What sort of control does a priest have over people who go to church only for a wedding or a funeral?

Money,Taxes and other stuff

Like I said
My parents,my aunties,My cousins and my sister didnt when they got married
I didn't go to a church when My grandfathers died.
Not even my Grandparents om my fathers side got married in a church.

It's entirely up to people here if they want to, for example, have a wedding in a church. And it really makes no difference whether you do or don't. I'm pretty sure the only rule is that if you don't belong in the church, then you can't hold your wedding in one.

I've yet to have a priest interfere in my life anyhow. I can't even remember the last time I saw one walking down the street.

It's entirely up to people here if they want to, for example, have a wedding in a church. And it really makes no difference whether you do or don't. I'm pretty sure the only rule is that if you don't belong in the church, then you can't hold your wedding in one.

No it isnt how do you think religion become so powerful in the first place there entire countries that solely because on religion
-Pakistan
-Israel
-Northern Ireland/Ireland divided

If it is just a tradition? Nothing more? Why wouldn't that be ok?
If it's illogical or unfair then no it's not ok
No, not illogical and not unfair. Just a tradition, exactly as you wrote. Do you see a problem with that?
(Note: illogical means more than just not logical, it means contrary to logic. If it's just a tradition, it's not logical, but also not illogical.)

can you explain the logic that lead you to believe that every priest is a pedophile?
Because there are not very nice people
Why do you think a priest can never be a nice person? Have you ever met a priest? Was he "not very nice" in a way that you believe was related to him being a priest?

Money
Are you talking about people who give money to the church because they want to? Why do you consider that a way of control by the priest?

Taxes
The church doesn't rule over taxes. That's what the state does.

other stuff
Can you be more specific?

Like I said [...]
Do you mean to say "I don't need to go to church, therefore nobody else should be allowed to go to church"? Can you explain why you think that is logical?

there entire countries that solely because on religion
Why does that mean that religion is bad in every other situation?

-Pakistan
-Israel
-Northern Ireland/Ireland divided
You forgot the UK

My parents,my aunties,My cousins and my sister didnt when they got married
I didn't go to a church when My grandfathers died.
Not even my Grandparents om my fathers side got married in a church.

Let me guess: you're Jewish

Ireland is part of the UK, right? Right?

Or Northern Ireland is, anyway.

Well, at least they have Wales <3

Are you talking about people who give money to the church because they want to? Why do you consider that a way of control by the priest?

And they do that because the beg for that money. They don't need it. God wouldn't need it if he existed. They do it because religion is a scam and their game is to earn money. If you think about it, they don't need that money. They could earn that money a legit way - bake sales, fundraisers for research or something (actually, the revenue from both could go to actual good causes), but no. Instead, they make upgrades to their church which also aren't needed. All a church needs is a rectangular room where people can pray that someone else who doesn't give a shit or doesn't exist, will help someone instead of them because they don't want to do it themselves.

Now I know that churches do actually have fundraisers for stuff, but if they're going to do fundraisers they need to stop asking for free cash. If they're asking for free cash, they need to stop and only do fundraisers. If the church truly needs it somehow, do a fundraiser. After all, churches avoid taxes. I don't have a clue why they are exempt, but you shouldn't be giving them free cash like that when you probably don't even know where it's going/they avoid taxes. (taxes are bad, by the way, but everyone else does it...well, except major corporate monsters, but whatever).

Ireland is part of the UK, right?

Sshhh, the IRA will come and kneecap you.

Skorn:

It's a corporate world. Churches are businesses like any other these days. A business needs money. If people want to give money to their church, it's up to them. And the church would be extremely stupid not to take this money. It's no different than if fans donated money to Nintendo because they believed their gaming consoles were better than others', and thus wanted their business to thrive. Nobody's forcing you to donate money to the church. It's not like there's a law saying you need to pay them. And asking for donations isn't begging. If Redink put a link to the side of this website saying "Please consider donating money for keeping TDN up and running", would you count that as begging? Because it's not.

I'm not sure where Punisher is getting this idea that people here are being bounced around by the church, and forced to do everything their way, because Finland is one of the most opposite countries of that in the entire world. I've yet to meet a single person from my own church in my entire life who would anyhow bother me. In fact, considering how few religious people there actually are here, I find it extremely surprising that churches are given the slightest bit of attention. It's a nice thing to do, for those few who do hold it important. I guess churches (as in the buildings themselves) do hold kind of an importance to the common person here, but more in a cultural and historical sense. Most people view them more as museums. If they didn't hold that value, a lot of them would've probably been taken down by now.

If you wanna talk about bothering and begging, look no further than Jehovah's Witnesses.

It's not that they're being forced, but they're made to believe that the money will go to something good, yet it's probably just to add unnecessary wings or some shit to the church or get the pastor some new shoes.

Without having read the walls of text, it may be worth considering that people may be less religious and more spiritual. I would assume this is a good thing, since individual spirituality would be focused on self-betterment and less on the gang-mentality many religious groups seem to adopt!

Nope im non-religious/Atheist
My family just inst religous.

Plus I think all the religons I hate the most I think it have be Judaism because that's where it all started Chrsitanty and Islam derived from it

Without having read the walls of text, it may be worth considering that people may be less religious and more spiritual. I would assume this is a good thing, since individual spirituality would be focused on self-betterment and less on the gang-mentality many religious groups seem to adopt!

Well that's ok but when you have Bishops of a church in the house of lords or the Pope over at Rome condemning condoms and medicine that's not spirituality that's just straight up control and propaganda which is what organised religion is about.

I feel that a country's religiousness should be measured by how much religion affects its political decisions.

Let's take a look at the British Empire

-Australia
By 1833, Christian missionary George Augustus Robinson, sponsored by Lieutenant Governor George Arthur, had persuaded the approximately 200 surviving Aboriginal Tasmanians to surrender themselves with assurances that they would be protected, provided for and eventually have their lands returned to them. These 'assurances' were in fact lies – promises made to the survivors that played on their desperate hopes for reunification with lost family and community members. The assurances were given by Robinson solely to remove the Aboriginal people from mainland Van Diemen's Land. The survivors were moved to Wybalenna Aboriginal Establishment on Flinders Island, where diseases continued to reduce their numbers even further. In 1847, the last 47 living inhabitants of Wybalenna were transferred to Oyster Cove, south of Hobart. Two individuals, Truganini (1812–1876) and Fanny Cochrane Smith (1834–1905), are separately considered to have been the last people solely of Tasmanian descent.

-New Zealand
Some time in the 18th century, a trickle of escaped Convicts from Australia made it to New Zealand and built a community based on whaling and sealing. These escaped Convicts also formed relationships with the Maori. Because the nature of these relationships offended English religious figures, in 1814 a religious mission led by Samuel Marsden set out to convert the Maori to Christianity and so protect them from the corruptive influence of whalers and sealers. As reward for accepting the gospel, the Maori were often given guns.

The Brotherhood of Logic dosent do this sort of stuff.
So Britain is religious.
Why is there churches on every continence except Antarctica.

Hey, you've been the head of The Brotherhood of Logic for quite some time now, but I want some more info about the organisation.

* How many members are there and do you accept new members?
* What are your goals? What do you seek to achieve on this planet, tainted with religion and racism?
* Do you have an emblem or insignia of some sort? It would be so awesome if a custom Brotherhood of Logic flag could adorn one's profile here on the DN to show of your Logicism!

1.Just me however alteast a couple have heard of it.
2.End racism.End Sexism,End Homophobia,End aristocracy,end theocracy,Have a society where merit and talent is more important
Have complete separation of religion and state world wide.
3.Similar to the Brotherhood of Nod

How is it a Brotherhood then?
Also, you started it in 2013 or even earlier, I believe. Only a couple of people have heard by now?

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