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My neighbour has a dog, a Rotweiler. Her name is Queen. She found two guinea pigs. It was amazing that she didn't kill them (since her being a bloodhungry dog and all that), but it was even more amazing - well, more like unbelieveable - that the 2 cavy's were left just on the street, in a box, to die. They were already half dead. They're only 3-4 weeks old. My neighbour kept them for 5 days - he used to be a vet's assistant - and took care of them, but he couldn't keep them so he asked me. Now I've got 2 more guinea pigs - I already had 4.

Can you just believe that people do such things as treating animals like carbage and just put them in a box on the street?
If you don't want your animal you can at least bring it to some animalcare.

That breaks my heart how people just put out animals on street just cuse there old or there babys and theres to many of them how can u be so cruel why not do something else like post a sign saying "Free animals"

Because, people are lazy, as long as it doesn't cause them any harm, they do not care.

I hate to admit it, but I threw a nasty bar of white chocolate out on the street once... it grew cantankerous and eventually found a position at the DN!

Yeah, I can't understand people that are so cruel. I understand if they don't like animals laying crap inside their houses etc, but still, dumping the animals out on the street is outrageous...

Oh, you think that's bad? You know what some drunk maniac did here in Oslo eh? He tied a couple of kittens to the subway rail and waited for the subway to arrive. Can you imagine that someone could actually do such a thing? Luckily some guy saw him and beat him up, untied the kittens and called the cops, and according to newspapers, the kittens got nice homes to live in, but I mean... that story made me really angry.

yes this is very very sad that people do this;(.
but just think:
isn't it cruel to kill a pig and to eat it?

You're not torturing it, and if you want less pork to be made, don't eat it. One fact most don't know is that pigs are intelligent animals, the smartest animal on the farm. Indeed, pigs could be man's best friend.

I think it's not that bad, since the pig's going to use.. People are going to eat it. If thinking like that, any meat eaten at all is taken from some animal, a pig, a horse maybe, so it is sort of cruel. But humans are not vegetarists, so basically those animals have to be killed... But things like mink farming, those things are really cruel and wrong, since there's no good enough reason to kill those poor animals...

Then one thing I'm really angry about, is that animals have so little rights.. I mean, if you kill a human, you go to jail. If you kill a dog, maybe even torture it, you get nothing but a freaking pay... That is so wrong.

Re: Safmoor
Yes, it's proven that pigs are a lot more intelligent than dogs...

Wow i am more intellagent than a dog too...we were ment to be...anyway...down my street there was this crowd of kids kicks and beating this poor goose...how the goose got there is beyond me....my neighbor hood has a "No Outside Animals" rule and how wuould you get a goose to live inside....ok i am gettign off topic but i watch the animal planet and they do get sent to jail..not nearly as long as long as killing a human it depends on what religion you follow but like in Christianity, People are the "caretakers" of the earth and the animals and the plants, so we have to respect the animals...as if...it were your fathers favorites...And 1 thing i dont get is how we dont have laws against plant abuse...try to tell me plants arent alive...they are right there by animals and bacteria and fungus and what ever....Has no one thought enough to include the plants...*holds up sign * SAVE THE PLANTS

Has no one thought enough to include the plants...*holds up sign * SAVE THE PLANTS



Ban Lawnmowing

Then one thing I'm really angry about, is that animals have so little rights

so....pigs cows chickens fish turkeys are animals too you know.what rights do they have if it is "OK" to kill them?

plants are not alive they are vegetated

I said it's "OK" to kill those animals if there's a good reason to do it... I mean... If you kill a duck and eat it, that's not wrong. If you kill a duck and dump it in the recycle bin, that is wrong.

there is no diffrence-it's not good to kill.
is there gonna be a diffrence if i will kill you and chop you in to little tiny pieces or if i will cut you're head of and put it on a pole in the vilage square.
You will be dead!
now think.your're mom dad brother sister cousin uncle aunt grandpa granny-how will they feel if you are dead?

I didn't say it's nice to anyone.. But killing something is still ok, if there's a good enough reason to do it.

is consuming a good reason?

Nope. But the truth is that human are not vegetarians, and they have to eat meat in order to keep healthy... Practically it means killing animals.

why aren't people vegetarians?
look at me! i don't eat meat [a.k.a. don't kill] and i am healthy!

Because it's the food chain, we are on top. I love meat, I like it so that when I cut into it, it moo's at me. Oh baby..

It's part of the human social system to help each other in life and not kill and eat each other. Many other animals also have similiar social survival structure. Anyway, we can use nature by making usage of what we kill, and be responsible by not making species extinct, and not abusing that right by killing animals for no good reason. We don't always need food, but sometimes we also need to keep the numbers of some animals down otherwise they will end up starving and they will become extinct. Killing animals does serve a valid purpose. Animals kill each other, so we need to kill some animals. It is the laws of nature so just shut your mouth.

I think safmoor's post here has best described the positive and negative aspects of killing animals. Congrats, saf. (Can I call you that?)

If there weren't any humans, there wouldn't be this problem.

And if there were no humans we wouldnt be haveing this conversation...I could leave a chicken alone for ten years and whatll happen...it dies...so i am really not breaking any chain of progession as a I eat this chicken...I got bitten by a rabid *cough*ferrit*cough* once and I killed it...was that wroung?? it could of killed someone else...Actually i am glad i killed it if you dont mind me saying...if i didnt i would of hunted it down after all the shots i had to go through...oooo needles...I dont like poaching but i will kill a animal and not eat it...typical human huh?? point the blame at someone else so it isnt passed to you

If there weren't any humans, there wouldn't be this problem.

Have you ever seen a cute little kitty cat 'playing' with a cute little mouse? It doesn't kill it right away; it enjoys toying with the life and death of the mouse. It will claw at it, wait for it to make a run for it, and then claw at it again. Maybe bite off a limb or two. And when its finished torturing it (sometimes solely for entertainment, not consumption) the cute little kitty cat will kill it and put it on your doorstep, proud of its accomplishment.

All human morals/emotions are constructs we place on experiences. Animals have no such constructs. If the cute little kitty cat wasn't so little, and was, say, 20 feet tall, it would have an absolutely fantastic time torturing you, or any other human being, to death.

So yes, technically you're correct. Without any humans to judge something as cruel, there wouldn't be this problem. But it would still exist, in other forms, unjudged.

But people are special; they are able to recognize actions they do as cruel. But perception of cruelty isn't universal. I won't attempt to embarrass myself by my lack of knowledge about various religions, but I think there are a couple where harming (or eating) pigs or cows is just wrong, as they are sacred animals. I have no such belief; I'll gladly eat Bacon, Sausage, Pork, Beef, Hamburgers, and more. Does that make me cruel in the eyes of a member of one of those religions, as I eat a sacred animal with absolutely no problem? Probably.

Likewise... perhaps the person who dropped the guinea pigs in the middle of the road didn't perceive their actions as cruel, just as I don't perceive setting mouse traps or poison ant traps as a cruel behavior. And most people don't think cutting hundreds of plant life forms down to a shorter size and eradicating all 'weeds' to make their lawn look better is cruel. Its all based on perception. Your perception. My perception. Anyone's perception.

For an animal-rights person to be truly happy, we, as a human race, must commit suicide to prevent our realization of our harmful effects on any other species. Well, that's the logical extension. Some people like cows. We can no longer eat beef. Some people like mice. That means we can no longer have mouse traps. Some people like pigs. And on and on it goes.

Erm... this is more of a general rant, I guess. I don't think it really addresses your comment specifically (I think somehow the meaning behind your comment was altered while it was bumbling around the space between my ears).

Humm... My message got trashed right after I sent it? OMG is there an error or is the staff really that fast?

Probably just that fast... only remember a few times over the years when there *wasn't* a staffie here during the waking hours.

Oh, so we are trying to save plants now? Well WHAT ABOUT THE AMOEBAS?!

redink1 is right on. he said it logically and clearly. minus the bumbling brain of course.

Point of redink's rant:
Fear the kitty cats.

But seriously. I was all set up to type something quite similar to that (but not as well phrased) and then redink does it before me. Ah well.

Yeah, it's pretty dissapointing. My cat was a stray. My mum found her when she was young. She's really old now (about 18 human years) and she will probably die soon.

Good point, Redink1 and indeed as I intended it: you can explain it both ways.

I wouldn't have mind it if those people didn't want the cavies anymore and would've just killed them and then put them in between the garbage. It's the unnecessary suffering that I can't stand. And that the mouse does the same, isn't something I can blame him, since he doesn't know any better.

But humans do know better, or at least should know better, and that's my point.

Actually, Redink, while what you are saying makes sense, and is what I believed for a long time, I did read some articles that thought otherwise.
The cat is not just torturing the mouse, but is in fact scared it will fight back! That's why the kitty will keep it's distance if possible, batting the mouse around until it's so weak it can't fight back.
Also, when a cat brings you a half-dead animal of some kind, it is actually trying to teach you to finish the little beast of, thus teaching you to hunt.

Of course, when my cat tried to fight the mouse in our house, the mouse ambushed him and took him out with a well aimed shot of his sniper rifle. dang that mouse...

humans can deside what to eat!
let's take a shark for example-killing other smaller fish is his nature!he has no choice!
now humans are smart.why don't badgers have computers?-because they can't-why?-because they are not that smart!
now
why do humans have computers?-because they are smart!
think about it!
humans can control theyr' selves!they can refuse to kill!!
~(3:>

Control, eh? Well, I don't really see it as a case of control, but simply a matter of most humans enjoying meat and deciding to eat it. If you peer on your local butcher, I don't think he'll be screaming "AAaaarrrr! I thirst for blood!", but rather "Oh golly, I think the customers would enjoy a helping of beef!"

Seiously though, you'll just have to accept the fact that we humans will always be eating meat. There will be no vegan crusades. If you pity the animals, spare them; if you view the consumption as a typical act of nature, chow down.

I apologize if this post makes no sense... I've gone delirious after having a wisdom tooth removed.

Oh yes, we humans can deffinatly control ourselves. Thats why there are murders everyday and STD's running about, and a druggie on my corner. We have such control over ourselves that we have wars over nothing but land and imaginary power. We are just as much insticnt as the cow out there. A fine girl walks by and I look I'll admit it, not as much insticnt but more of natural behavior, but still it is a natural reaction. We are just so smart that we think we can over power anger and *cough*other urges. We are weak indivisuals, my mom has tried dieting before but she gets out of it before we go grocery shopping. Just because we dont grunt at each other and one another with a club anymore, doesnt mean that we have a stong will...anyway

Umm.. That's not so much, if the cat has no diseases whatsoever, it might still live for 10 years.

And when the cat brings dead animals to your home, it's actually showing it's gratidute to you... Dangit I hate it when our cat brings dead rats in our kitchen. maybe we feed it too well or something.

why don't badgers have computers?-because they can't-why?-because they are not that smart!

OR,

because the animal has no hands whatsoever to build the computer with... You simply cannot state that human is so dang superior compared to other animals only because other animals don't show their intelligense.

Why would Badgers need computers when they have telepathy? I suppose they might wanna play Half-Life, but when you have dominated the galaxy, computer games don't have the same meaning anymore. At least that's what they told me.

gnomes control the universe!!

and tal's post kinda makes sence to me...

What kills me is how evryone is so different , sorry if this is off subject, but you could never make a law like no meat because you couldnt get everyone to agree on it, 1 person cant just say i dont like meat so no more meat, because with millions of people you would never come to a consensus about the subject you would fight and fight over the subject until all the animals die away by themselves...this thread has gone on for a long time...this just proves my point i could give away hundred dollar bills and someone would find fault in me...

Ducks and i arent that different. Ducks choose to quack*stolen material*and by quacking they communicate. We utter vowels and communicate, and we say they are stupid animals. Beaver's dams are something I know I couldnt make...does that make me a stupid animal. Ducks and beavers may not have a computer and a duck named Redink1 and a beaver named Tal (probably a shark or something named WC) but they can do things I cant.

erhm...

Pfft, knock it off, scratcher. Had the other animals had the intelligence we have, or more, they would've used it. Intelligence is something you wanna show off, believe me.

Intelligence is something you wanna show off, believe me.

Unless you're a little white lab mouse, doing experiments upon your human slaves, where you don't want to show off your intelligence to those you're experimenting on.

i think this discussion lead us to a compromize:[write in here]

Get over it, sure we can choose not to kill, be we need to kill. If we don't, theorically, we aren't on top of the food chain and other species will become extinct because of it, including the overpopulated species. If we don't kill it f*cks up the whole system and its structure.

I probably said some of that before, but Rusted Sorrow doesn't seem to get my point.

how will the food chain break if we are not on top? then lions or something will be and that's ok..sorta

We aren't on top of anything. Everything we do, turns out wrong - immediately or on a long term base. And that's because we can't control nature.

We try to control it but we either destroy it or lose. Technology is 3v1l(I say this while typeing on a computer)it is the root of all WC...I mean Evil...its right up there with foosball...foosball be the devil...technology is why people are fat...why go outside and play when your kid can virtually play??...we no longer control technology it controls us(matrix II)If we took away all technology then we would die for we are weak beings...In the past you worked all day UP WITH THE SUN I say...that was off subject sorta but it had to be said...

so..what's you're point?

Next time, try staying on-topic. Thanks.

I disagree. Since if you really are wise, you understand how stupid it is to show off your intelligense in front of everybody. And anyway, in my statement before, I was more referring to that you cannot just say "Human is superior compared to everyone else", like you cannot say "the space is infinite" either, since you cannot know it... I surely wasn't saying.. Or at least I didn't mean it, that Badgers are superior beings.

See, folks? Scratcher must be wise, since he has chosen not to spell "intelligence" correctly. If he did spell it correctly, it'd be a demonstration of his intelligence, and that'd be just plain stupid, wouldn't it?

Human is just a specie within species, so if human was not on the top of the food chain, things wouldn't be screwed up.. The food chain would just change. Human is not special in any way, the evolution goes on... Human is first of a kind, not special.

Plllfffft, Tal, I'm not english, so shut your beak.

Ah, I just felt like dragging out the ol' Tal sense of humor for a moment.

Tal's high on painkillers.

mmm, painkillers...um...OH!! I once saw a guy run over a cat, the cat squealed, the the driver laughed and speed up (far past the speed limit).....

where do you see such things

I downloaded this one video of this women setting her baby down on the ground then some old lady(maybe grandmother* kicks the baby for a field goal...it was fake...but i wasnt expecting it and it was like when Jason from friday the 13 just jumped out of no where...but i mean some people arent all there you know...Some people probably aim for the animals on the road...I guess i am a animal person but my mom she wonyt watch a movie if a animal gets hurt...she goes out and shovels dead animals off the street...honorable but annoying

yeah.i once saw a clip where this guy is holding a snack against a pooch and tries to get him [the pooch] to jump.when he jumps the guy kick him and he flies and hits a bus stop-and i think that that's not fake....

Anyway, back to how cruel people can be...I just saw a badger bite through my neighbours hand, and I have NEVER seen a person bite through 2 tendons before. QED : Animals worship satan. It's just obvious.

well i will tell you what i see every day-corpses of killed animals stuffed in to plastic!
so i don't see why is biting through some guys hand is bad if it's ok to kill every day!

Animals are simply lesser beings that deserve punishment for not defending themselves well enough. That's why we eat cows, chickens and what have you : They are not cool enough to keep alive.
We don't eat the tough animals like, tigers, lions, elephants and bears do we?

Because people are the same species as you. It's instinct: most animals don't eat their own kind. However, a great deal of animals will eat other animals. Know why? They're delicious! Personally, I love nothing better than a nice, rare, practically mooing prime rib. *drool*
Actually, it's self-preservation. Animals are food for things higher up on the food chain. Humans aren't higher on the food chain than humans, because we're the same... so we don't eat each other.

Alli doesn't speak for me btw.

humans are the most unworthy species to keep alive!

wtf r u sayin - let's say i'm a cannibal and want to eat u - is it ok?
eating is not a reason for killing.

go vegan.

Eating is the best reason for killing, because it will keep you alive for longer! At least it's not killing for pleasure...
Survival is the name of game when it's all said and done, and eating other creatures is a very effective way to do it!

I agree! But there are people who take killing for pleasure too far around here (Where I live). They hunt for food, they say, but they leave most of the meat behind, or all of it, just taking trophies (antlers, big fish, etc). And certian groups which have expanded rights to hunt go around shooting everything, and they later wounder why there are no deer, fish or even songbirds left around here?
Why is it that the stupid and the greedy wreak everything for everybody else? Bloody barbarians.

Meh. Its so exasperating.

I blame capitalism.

I blame the human race. If something can be done, someone wíll do it, just because you can do it - and for no other reason.

Banana!

Why? Just because I can

He is the webmaster, he can do it!

You just proved my point.

>makes you live longer
hello?there are such magical things like vegetables!

Eat lots of potatoes, meat and fruits, and you'll be healthy and energetic.

Come and try to eat me, I'll kick your ass.
I dunno if anything is a good reason for killing, but eating and self-defending are the best.

Don't go vegan.

"there are such magical things like vegetables"
The only magic in vegetables is...is...I can't think of anything witty to say. Ho hum. Perhaps something to do with it being certain fungi that are magic, and not vegetables?

Why?

Binirit - "You must become the change you want in the world."

People would kill and eat each other if some idiot had not thought of stupid laws...grrr...i mean cavemen ate each other and killed each other just for land...i could think of some people i would like to shoot and hang from the highest tree while grimlins gnaws at their toes, but i wont because there are laws against that...

Down with the vegans, long live the carnivores

I'm trying. Are you?

<quote>Binirit - "You must become the change you want in the world." </quote>

Addendum: But be prepared for loss, as change is abhorred.

That is a lesson I learnt all too well...

How do you know cavenmen ate each other? Were you there? I thought they ate rocks...

But be prepared for loss, as change is abhorred.

But when one door closes, another one opens.

Oh, darny, that was me, the ghostknight... Let's not forget the password this time.

hmmm...I think someone's trying to be quoted

I know this because i have the discovery channel and they brain washed me into knowing that they did....evil little brain washing learning channel

dang Discovery Channel...pure evil...
And who's trying to get quoted?

Not hard enough.

Garbage shouldn't be thrown on the street.