Vegetarianism
Any vegetarians on board? Thoughts?
I'm not a vegetarian, but I've been thinking about trying out a vegetarian diet for a while (like, say, 6 months, just to see how much I really need/desire meat).
Why? I'm not against using animals for food as such. However, if you eat meat, I think you should also be willing to do it yourself -- that is, slaughter cows/pigs/chickens/whatever. Those things are just like dogs and cats and no less deserving of living. I'm not at all sure I would be willing to cut the jugular of some hapless cow with a long knife in cold blood as it stares at me imploringly, or live with the bad conscience that would give me. Wouldn't it be much nicer to let Bluebell live and just stick to macaroni?
Those are the kind of things I've been thinking.
Other than going vegan, I would actually like to try to slaughter that cow. Maybe it feels like nothing when you do it for a good reason, I don't know. The problem with that is that I can't really think of a simple way to get the opportunity; They don't hold tours for that. (It would be a super obnoxious enterprise, anyway)
I'm not a vegetarian, but I've been thinking about trying out a vegetarian diet for a while (like, say, 6 months, just to see how much I really need/desire meat).
Why? I'm not against using animals for food as such. However, if you eat meat, I think you should also be willing to do it yourself -- that is, slaughter cows/pigs/chickens/whatever. Those things are just like dogs and cats and no less deserving of living. I'm not at all sure I would be willing to cut the jugular of some hapless cow with a long knife in cold blood as it stares at me imploringly, or live with the bad conscience that would give me. Wouldn't it be much nicer to let Bluebell live and just stick to macaroni?
Those are the kind of things I've been thinking.
Other than going vegan, I would actually like to try to slaughter that cow. Maybe it feels like nothing when you do it for a good reason, I don't know. The problem with that is that I can't really think of a simple way to get the opportunity; They don't hold tours for that. (It would be a super obnoxious enterprise, anyway)
I eat organic, this means free range meats from animals that were raised happy and healthy, and die in such a way, rather than die cold, in pain, and filled with fear. (You can taste the difference.)
Organic vegetables and raw milk are also good, as they taste amazing. And that's saying something, because I don't like milk.
Raw sugar is also best, as it's much more healthier than all of the artificial and concentrated crap.
Organic vegetables and raw milk are also good, as they taste amazing. And that's saying something, because I don't like milk.
Raw sugar is also best, as it's much more healthier than all of the artificial and concentrated crap.
I'm not a vegetarian, but I've been thinking about trying out a vegetarian diet for a while
You're a Finnish man. Good luck with that!
You're a Finnish man. Good luck with that!
If you are going to try a vegetarian diet, make sure you eat lots of nuts, seeds pulses etc to have a nutritious diet.
You won't contribute/saving lives/anything by saying you're a vegetarian and you'll only hinder everything and people will get annoyed and you'll probably be picked on for the rest of your vegetarian life. Which I hope won't last long. Eat meat, for the greater good.
June 10th 2013, 06:34 PM
Glenn
Being a vegetarian must be so boring. Eating salads all day long.
You won't contribute/saving lives/anything by saying you're a vegetarian
Not by just saying it, obviously. But by actually being one, of course you do. You think they'll go kill just as many cows if they can't sell half of them because people don't buy them? If sales go down, they will slaughter fewer animals, it's as simple as that.
and you'll only hinder everything and people will get annoyed
Why? How is it a problem for others if he is not eating meat?
and you'll probably be picked on for the rest of your vegetarian life. Which I hope won't last long. Eat meat, for the greater good.
Can you explain? I can understand how vegetarians are annoyed by meat-eaters (although I think they shouldn't be), but why would a meat-eater be annoyed by a vegetarian? The only reason I can come up with, is that they really want to be one themselves, but don't have the discipline to follow their own ethical rules, and don't like to be reminded of that. And in that case, they should get themselves together and not bother other people.
About the subject: I'm not a vegetarian, but I don't eat much meat. I don't agree that you have to slaughter animals to be entitled to eat them. In fact I prefer professionals to do that; they're most likely way better at it. Pushing for more animal-friendly farming is a good thing, though. Currently they're probably only better at it from a money-making perspective.
slaughter cows/pigs/chickens/whatever.
Ducks! Don't forget ducks!
Not by just saying it, obviously. But by actually being one, of course you do. You think they'll go kill just as many cows if they can't sell half of them because people don't buy them? If sales go down, they will slaughter fewer animals, it's as simple as that.
and you'll only hinder everything and people will get annoyed
Why? How is it a problem for others if he is not eating meat?
and you'll probably be picked on for the rest of your vegetarian life. Which I hope won't last long. Eat meat, for the greater good.
Can you explain? I can understand how vegetarians are annoyed by meat-eaters (although I think they shouldn't be), but why would a meat-eater be annoyed by a vegetarian? The only reason I can come up with, is that they really want to be one themselves, but don't have the discipline to follow their own ethical rules, and don't like to be reminded of that. And in that case, they should get themselves together and not bother other people.
About the subject: I'm not a vegetarian, but I don't eat much meat. I don't agree that you have to slaughter animals to be entitled to eat them. In fact I prefer professionals to do that; they're most likely way better at it. Pushing for more animal-friendly farming is a good thing, though. Currently they're probably only better at it from a money-making perspective.
slaughter cows/pigs/chickens/whatever.
Ducks! Don't forget ducks!
You won't contribute/saving lives/anything by saying you're a vegetarian and you'll only hinder everything and people will get annoyed and you'll probably be picked on for the rest of your vegetarian life. Which I hope won't last long. Eat meat, for the greater good.
Uhhhh, have you been reading Maddox or something? =P
Being a vegetarian must be so boring. Eating salads all day long.
*grin* For me at least, ditching meat would doubtlessly be a palate-enriching experience. I tend to eat the same crap almost every day.
I don't agree that you have to slaughter animals to be entitled to eat them. In fact I prefer professionals to do that; they're most likely way better at it.
I didn't mean that you would need to slaughter everything you eat by yourself. I just meant that if I have moral qualms about murdering something, it's not morally fine to have someone else murder it for me.
About free range chickens, cows and such, I definitely agree. Turning a blind eye to the horrid conditions some animals live is not a very classy act, and although most people agree in theory, in everyday life the price tends to be the deciding factor; I do that too.
EDIT: Skull: I'm not ditching grilled sausage, no matter what.
Uhhhh, have you been reading Maddox or something? =P
Being a vegetarian must be so boring. Eating salads all day long.
*grin* For me at least, ditching meat would doubtlessly be a palate-enriching experience. I tend to eat the same crap almost every day.
I don't agree that you have to slaughter animals to be entitled to eat them. In fact I prefer professionals to do that; they're most likely way better at it.
I didn't mean that you would need to slaughter everything you eat by yourself. I just meant that if I have moral qualms about murdering something, it's not morally fine to have someone else murder it for me.
About free range chickens, cows and such, I definitely agree. Turning a blind eye to the horrid conditions some animals live is not a very classy act, and although most people agree in theory, in everyday life the price tends to be the deciding factor; I do that too.
EDIT: Skull: I'm not ditching grilled sausage, no matter what.
Was brought up vegan. I eat meat now, but still vego at home. I have come to no harm from such an existence, but I find that meat will fill for longer then anything else.
Vegetarianism lends to lower incidence of certain diseases and infections, chiefly gastro infections... idea is if it can survive in flesh it can survive in you.
Additionally, a balanced diet (vego or not) will improve your bowel function which is pretty good.
Additionally, you'll be saving the environment - cows produce 1/3rd of Britain's and 2/3rd of the worlds ammonia.
My Opa, who was the last of centuries of farmers in my ancestry, told of the best steak ever eaten - the chosen cow was released into a field of clover away from the herd (clover is like ecstasy for cows). The hunting rifle was loaded and aimed from the other end of the field to the cow's ignorance. A shot to the head and the cow went to bovine heaven. She was then skinned and bled and the better parts cut and taken to the kitchen. I am told the difference in taste is as significant as the difference between a supermarket tomato and a locally grown one.
Finally some vids for lols and info:
Hilarity ensues!
Hilarity continues!
A silly song.
The human tragicomedy.
Vegetarianism lends to lower incidence of certain diseases and infections, chiefly gastro infections... idea is if it can survive in flesh it can survive in you.
Additionally, a balanced diet (vego or not) will improve your bowel function which is pretty good.
Additionally, you'll be saving the environment - cows produce 1/3rd of Britain's and 2/3rd of the worlds ammonia.
My Opa, who was the last of centuries of farmers in my ancestry, told of the best steak ever eaten - the chosen cow was released into a field of clover away from the herd (clover is like ecstasy for cows). The hunting rifle was loaded and aimed from the other end of the field to the cow's ignorance. A shot to the head and the cow went to bovine heaven. She was then skinned and bled and the better parts cut and taken to the kitchen. I am told the difference in taste is as significant as the difference between a supermarket tomato and a locally grown one.
Finally some vids for lols and info:
Hilarity ensues!
Hilarity continues!
A silly song.
The human tragicomedy.
and you'll only hinder everything and people will get annoyed
Why? How is it a problem for others if he is not eating meat?
It's usually when eating with others. Some people get annoyed when they can't cook meat for a group of people because one of them is a vegetarian. I too can get a little annoyed when everybody has some specific (non medical) food preferences. This goes well beyond just vegetarianism, there are many more people who have all kinds of specific requirements for their food. (No beans, no tomatoes, no milk products, no green vegetables, no fish, and so on.) If you live together with 5 people and everybody has a different set of things they refuse to eat your menu will be pretty small.
I know of people who won't ever prepare meat themselves but don't mind eating meat when somebody else has prepared it.
Of course when you're just cooking for yourself, more power to you. I can't see what anybody could have against that. It certainly is better for the environment. (Personally I'd rather go the flexitarian route myself. Saves a lot of stress.)
Personally I'm still a happy meat-eater and I have no intention of changing that.
Why? How is it a problem for others if he is not eating meat?
It's usually when eating with others. Some people get annoyed when they can't cook meat for a group of people because one of them is a vegetarian. I too can get a little annoyed when everybody has some specific (non medical) food preferences. This goes well beyond just vegetarianism, there are many more people who have all kinds of specific requirements for their food. (No beans, no tomatoes, no milk products, no green vegetables, no fish, and so on.) If you live together with 5 people and everybody has a different set of things they refuse to eat your menu will be pretty small.
I know of people who won't ever prepare meat themselves but don't mind eating meat when somebody else has prepared it.
Of course when you're just cooking for yourself, more power to you. I can't see what anybody could have against that. It certainly is better for the environment. (Personally I'd rather go the flexitarian route myself. Saves a lot of stress.)
Personally I'm still a happy meat-eater and I have no intention of changing that.
I have only this to say.
Good luck though!
Good luck though!
I've been a vegetarian for a very long time. I eat varied diet of eggs, rice, beans, various vegetables, peas, oatmeal, almond milk, flax oil and various other natural whole foods.
I personally love it. I feel better,look better, save money and get to troll my meat eating friend into oblivion by eating like an college-kid-revolutionary when we go to restaurants. I could actually care less if they eat meat or not, but it's hilarious how frustrated people can get when you pass on the 20oz steak. We ain't Murican enough.
I'm also very physically activate and the "not enough brotein brah" myth is completely false. Eggs actually have higher quality protein amino acid content than any kind of meat (the same goes for cow and soy milk, although I don't drink either). Also, pairing various vegetable proteins can give you high quality protein, as successful vegans know. Furthermore, you don't need complete proteins in every meal due to the fact that you liver stores and releases amino acids when needed. I eat a 3000+ calorie diet and get about 150 grams of complete brotein a day with extreme ease.
The myth that you can't get enough vitamins is also completely false. On a side-note, the vast majority people who tell me about the nutritional fallacies of vegetarianism don't know a thing about nutrition, but I digress. The main areas of concern for vegetarians are vitamin b12 and calcium. However, if you drink almond milk and take a multivitmin, problem solved. All people could benefit from adding a multivitamin into their diet, vegetarian or not. Including abundant vegetables is also much needed for all people who eat food.
Don't let other people get you down, research backs up the assumption that naysayers understand vegetarianism about as well Hellen Keller understands talk radio.
Carry on my wayward son.
There will be peace when you are done.
Lay your weary head to rest.
Dontcha cry no more.
I personally love it. I feel better,look better, save money and get to troll my meat eating friend into oblivion by eating like an college-kid-revolutionary when we go to restaurants. I could actually care less if they eat meat or not, but it's hilarious how frustrated people can get when you pass on the 20oz steak. We ain't Murican enough.
I'm also very physically activate and the "not enough brotein brah" myth is completely false. Eggs actually have higher quality protein amino acid content than any kind of meat (the same goes for cow and soy milk, although I don't drink either). Also, pairing various vegetable proteins can give you high quality protein, as successful vegans know. Furthermore, you don't need complete proteins in every meal due to the fact that you liver stores and releases amino acids when needed. I eat a 3000+ calorie diet and get about 150 grams of complete brotein a day with extreme ease.
The myth that you can't get enough vitamins is also completely false. On a side-note, the vast majority people who tell me about the nutritional fallacies of vegetarianism don't know a thing about nutrition, but I digress. The main areas of concern for vegetarians are vitamin b12 and calcium. However, if you drink almond milk and take a multivitmin, problem solved. All people could benefit from adding a multivitamin into their diet, vegetarian or not. Including abundant vegetables is also much needed for all people who eat food.
Don't let other people get you down, research backs up the assumption that naysayers understand vegetarianism about as well Hellen Keller understands talk radio.
Carry on my wayward son.
There will be peace when you are done.
Lay your weary head to rest.
Dontcha cry no more.
I may of arrived late, but to me from the title you make it sound bad, sounds like vampirism, so also don't bite me.
Haha! There's a nice little Mediterranean themed cafe up the road from my house. The owner served up an excellent vegetarian degustation one evening and, smirking wickedly assured me it was ok to miss out on meat, for "the meat of the woman was the best tasting of all!"
please describe what he meant by the meat of women, or is he cannibalistic
Wow, you´re a Finn? Missed that one,,,
I agree with a bunch here: go organic, if it's not more morally correct it sure is healthier than one of my "vegan" acquaintance's diet of chips, coke and plain white rice...however, I can't remember if he balanced it with airy white bread.
I agree with a bunch here: go organic, if it's not more morally correct it sure is healthier than one of my "vegan" acquaintance's diet of chips, coke and plain white rice...however, I can't remember if he balanced it with airy white bread.
