The Dink Network

I was just wonder what you guys use for Peer-2-Peer clients, you know "free music downloaders", Well to tell you the truth I never use my downloaders for free music I use it for old games, that's how I got Manic Mansion 2 and SPace Quest 5. I use LimeWire PRO and EDonkey 2000. So what do you use?

I'm using warez sites actually, since I allready got the music I like to listen too, and I prefer to download http that p2p.

Do you know how much effort goes into making games? Whenever you get anything from warez sites or file sharing programs, you are taking it out of the money they get for that game. Picture this: You took several months to program a game and then you only get 20-30 bucks for it because one person bought it and gave free copies to everyone. Plus its illegal, but MAN is it tempting .

The Chaotic

Any messages linking to pirate/warez sites will be deleted, and if the user continues such behavior, a ban is possible.

No posting of inappropriate or illegal material, such as porn or warez. (Rules)

Does this mean we're not allowed to talk about it?

You're allowed to talk about it, as long as you don't mention how/where to get it.

So if I mention the internet, will I get baninated?

Yes

i use kazaa lite.

I knowm we can't post warez site, I wasn't going to do it either.

"You're allowed to talk about it, as long as you don't mention how/where to get it."

So practically we can't answer the question "What P-2-P program do you use"?

So practically we can't answer the question "What P-2-P program do you use"?

He was talking about warez sites... though it's silly, p2p programs are legal. I really don't feel bad in the slightest for downloading games illegally since they're so expensive nowadays and most companies develop them only for the money anyway.

Read chaotics first post thouroughly scratcher

P2Ps are legal? WTF, its still downloading pirated software!

The Chaotic

P2P is just like any other internet communication method, be it http, ftp, newsgroups, e-mail, or gopher. It can be used for legal or illegal activities. For example, I've shared the freeware version of Dink Smallwood via P2P before, which is perfectly legal.

Before Napster et al, you could just use Altavista to search for sites hosting MP3s. P2P just makes the process easier, as the RIAA can't just complain to an ISP hosting illegal files.

Edit: although, re-reading scratcher's post, he doesn't posit a convincing argument. So... we shouldn't buy games, because they are expensive, and the developers only make them to make money? Well gaw darn, we better all quit are jobs and steal what the other 'un produces, because most of us only work to make money.

If you download stuff like that and think, "it wont make a difference if one person downloads it", but everyone's thinking that. I can see how tempting it is to download it, and its unrealistic that a comercial game would make 20-30 dollars. A big release will make millions, no mater what. A small game, like dink smallwood when it cost money, P2P would have had a majour impact on it (mabye it did). There are arguments both ways, but all in all, its the same as stealing a game from a shop. Well mabye not, cause it costs the shop money to buy a game.... I dunno, I wouldent download anything like that.

Uhm, I guess Scratcher meant that games are seldomly produced to be original and fun, but more to make as much money as able. Short, unoriginal games, suited for the biggest group of players, stunning graphics, meager gameplay, lots of marketing, games based on a famous license (like disney) etc.

The gaming companies don't lose any money, in theory, if you download the game instead of buying it, the SHOP which sells the game loses from that, since they have already bought the game from the company.

I've always kept p2p legal, since it's data transferred from peer to peer, just like text in messenger ect. I really don't know these laws well, and like i would care. I doubt that FBI doesn't rush on every warez-teens room and arrest them.

(My english seems bit rusty, hope you understand it )

If the stores lose money, the companies lose money. For what reason will the stores even BUY the freaking games when they do not sell it?

I try to limit my game "pirating" to games that are no longer available through any retail outlet (excluding junk stores and such, where obviously the developers don't make any money from used game sales). If the publishers and developers are both deceased, or if neither are distributing an old game any longer, then as far as I can see it's not hurting anyone.

Oh, and as for what p2p program I use: Your mother brings me downloads on a silver platter full of CDs.

I uses kazaa lite, but if I'm downloading music on it, it's usually just music that I already own, but the CD is too scratched to rip. I don't really like warez-they force crap like steam upon us. I tried downloading an old game via warez once, but after all the unwanted crap in my email and spyware on my PC, I stopped.

I've always kept p2p legal, since it's data transferred from peer to peer, just like text in messenger ect. I really don't know these laws well, and like i would care. I doubt that FBI doesn't rush on every warez-teens room and arrest them.

p2p programs are legal, people who use p2p to share illegal files are doing wrong. (though I find a program that was created for the sole purpose of sharing files illegally being legal a tad silly, that's the law at least for now)

Be careful if you use kazaa or other popular p2p programs for downloading music, they sue people for that in Finland nowadays, though the chances are small... still wouldn't want to pay thousands of euros for downloading mortal kombat annihilation techno theme or whatever.

Uhm, I guess Scratcher meant that games are seldomly produced to be original and fun, but more to make as much money as able. Short, unoriginal games, suited for the biggest group of players, stunning graphics, meager gameplay, lots of marketing, games based on a famous license (like disney) etc.

yeah, and the prizes are ridiculous (and keep rising), a poor student like me could never afford much games.

I removed all my p2p accounts and are a member at no warez site at all. I have no need for this stuff.

Only if I'm looking for something you can't find AT ALL in Holland, I might go look for it illegally. But that's it.

P2P is the tools of the devil and your all going to HELL!!

P2P is the tools of the devil and your all going to HELL!!
See you in there.

Ticket please.

Atleast we'll go there peer-with-peer

I'm using Soulseek right now. I used to use DC++.

I'm using Limewire Pro.

The problem is that most games cost too much. i'm but a student with no income and my parents aren't looking positively at gaming so it's probably the only way to get it for me.
BUT I always download games to see how good they are as so to test them. And if they are worthy being bought I'll save my money for it. I bought the complete Diablo Battle Chest and Neverwinter Nights. (And I would've bought Dink, but by the time I discovered it, it was freeware).

Also keep in mind that warez is SOMETIMES the only way a person gets to own a specific game (either because the country doesn't import the games or they don't have the money).

Greetz,
Shampoo173

BUT I always download games to see how good they are as so to test them. And if they are worthy being bought I'll save my money for it...

Thats what demos are for.

Aww, GTA San Andreas is out for PC, and I can't buy it because my parents think its innapropriate. Good enough excuse?

The teased Chaotic

Haha I have around 100 links to it

I won't give it away here on the forum or any other places.

edit

unless you pay me $10000000 I'll give it to you on msn.

"and God shalt smite the evildoers and the many headed serpent of their thieving ways through the box of lightning!" -Revalations 20:13

Think about *that* the next time you download, SINNERS!

Thank god my p-2-p programs haven't worked for a while now. It's scary, reading these posts.

From Striker's review of "Videogame Music Archive":
...midis were about the type of music I had time to download (mp3s taking around half an hour)
It seems that the preacher has committed sins?

Ye, of so few knowledge, there hath been a bounty of downloads that are...

*snort* Okay, playing the deacon is just isn't my thing. I really couldn't care less about whether something is legal or not, it's just fun to tell people they're going to hell.

Anyway, there are actually *plenty* of completely mp3s out there that are available for legal download, many of them are on my HD, smart guy.

Thats what Demos are for
The problem with demos is that it's either too short or they give the best parts away (and the game in total sucks).
But I agree with these full version demo's (but they should change it to 120 minutes instead of 60).

Greetz,
Shampoo

There really isn't any reason to pirate a game for demo reasons.

Let's say that you heard about a non-sequel game, say 'Evil Genius,' and you want to know if it is worth buying. What do you do?

Play the demo. Read the reviews. Go to Gamefaqs or a similar site to see if the forums are filled with frustrated users. Do research.

And if you don't have the money to spend $50 on games, then wait 6 months or a year and buy it for $20. And if you want it *now*... well, too bad.

If you follow those rules, you'll buy very, very few games you'll be disappointed in.

Well, atleast in hell we won't get ass-raped by some guy named 'Sunshine'.

Or maybe we will, who knows?

The Chaotic

As Rowan Atkinson would say:
"Welcome in hell, I am the devil... Criminals (Hackers,thieves, ...) this way ... Christians go that way .... I'm sorry but the jews were right ".

Just to clear something up (It's so hard to stay neutral all the time if people put immediatly put a stamp on you). I DO buy the games I like and wait if neccesary. And as Redink1 said, they get cheaper by the year. I bought The Thing for only €5 , Divine Divinity for €7, and a lot more ... (And in a couple of months I'll buy Half-life 2 after I do some holiday-work).

Lol anyway Greetz,
Shampoo173

I don't usually buy games anymore. The last one I bought was San Andreas, and I hadn't bought a game in more than a year before that. I have a friend that's a huge gaming freak, and I can just borrow his games/systems if I really want to play them, which is what happened with Resident Evil 4.