Conscription for Iraq
The Pentagoon is considering drafting sodiers to fight in Iraq. Is it just me, or does that sound like SLAVERY IN THE NAME OF FREEDOM.
Its not the us against the Middle east, its the Republican Party against reality.
Its not the us against the Middle east, its the Republican Party against reality.
April 22nd 2004, 04:19 PM
PureEvil
It'll never happen. And, Bush's reign as king is coming to an end. Bush's style of foreign policy is a fudgeing embarrassment!
How can he possibly repair his differences with other countries if he refuses to allow the war non-participants to participate in Iraq's rebuilding? He is clearly out of his league.
Nation building? WTF! Its time for the UN to step in and clean up after Dubba. It's a shame that what he has done reflects poorly on all US citizens, because this presidency is most definitely not as advertised to those that voted for him...
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How can he possibly repair his differences with other countries if he refuses to allow the war non-participants to participate in Iraq's rebuilding? He is clearly out of his league.
Nation building? WTF! Its time for the UN to step in and clean up after Dubba. It's a shame that what he has done reflects poorly on all US citizens, because this presidency is most definitely not as advertised to those that voted for him...
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Won't happen and where the fudge did you get this info from? I know a few people who work in the pentegon and I ahve heard nothing remotly close to this.
BTW, the Air Froce just CUT 12,000 soldiers and the Army and marines will cut a few themselves. What makes you think they are going to draft when they are cutting?
BTW, the Air Froce just CUT 12,000 soldiers and the Army and marines will cut a few themselves. What makes you think they are going to draft when they are cutting?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3242923.stm
I imagine from your point of view you'd want soldiering left to the proffesionals. From my point of view, I can't even beleive any of them can be so stupid not to see where they are going.
Search for Iraq conscription. You'll find way too much of this.
I imagine from your point of view you'd want soldiering left to the proffesionals. From my point of view, I can't even beleive any of them can be so stupid not to see where they are going.
Search for Iraq conscription. You'll find way too much of this.
So... 6 months later, a draft still hasn't been put into place. Not saying it won't happen, but still.
Also, there is currently a bill in Congress sponsored by two Democrats pushing for the return of the draft, with almost no way out of it. But its more of a publicity thing, I think. I wish I could find a link.
Also, there is currently a bill in Congress sponsored by two Democrats pushing for the return of the draft, with almost no way out of it. But its more of a publicity thing, I think. I wish I could find a link.
I wonder where all this came from, since we are pulling out of IRAQ soon. My squadron has allready started preparing for this as we speak. I sincerly doubt there will be ANY draft when the armed forces are cutting members and there is a 5-8 month wait from the time you sign up till the time you attend basic military training (boot camp) due to the amount of people wanting to enlist. Just too many things don't make sense for any of that to happen. I personally think it's a media thing to stir up fake news.
I hope you're right, in which case its like Redink says and its just a publicity stunt.
Not surprisingly, media to the masses seems to have complete influence over the ideas that thesee people are getting about things. Not to say that they're completely wrong, but i think it would make more sense to listen to someone who's actually on the front lines of these operations.
I waited 8 months to go to boot camp due to the large amount of people enlisting. The wait hasn't gotten any shorter and is another prime reason people are being cut from the military (to make room for new blood). Trust me, if this happens, I will be HIGHLY suprised.
There may be a reduction of military personnel in Iraq, but the U.S. is certainly not pulling out.
We will have military there for years to come, and in large numbers.
Regardless of who the president is next January, don't count on the U.S. bailing out of Iraq. With Kerry as president, the numbers would remain the same, if not increase, but the way things are handled, and who is involved (meaning UN and others nations) would definitely change. It's really a shame what has become of it -- But,while I support the soldiers over there, I have grown tired and angry at Bush and his non-diplomacy.
We will have military there for years to come, and in large numbers.
Regardless of who the president is next January, don't count on the U.S. bailing out of Iraq. With Kerry as president, the numbers would remain the same, if not increase, but the way things are handled, and who is involved (meaning UN and others nations) would definitely change. It's really a shame what has become of it -- But,while I support the soldiers over there, I have grown tired and angry at Bush and his non-diplomacy.
Half of Europe are pulling out of Iraq, largely due to the Madrid Bombings and the threats of more attacks unless they pull out.
Pffft.
Pffft.
*warning, military man talking. may offend people*
Yup, these countries get hit by suicide bombers and instead of trying to stop the very attacks we have been fighting against, they get scared and kitty up. Just like if someone hits you in the face, what are you going to do, beat that ass, or run? Way to show your country has balls.
I never said we would be fully pulling out of Iraq, hell, we are still in korea. We are allready reducing number in certain career feilds, but slightly increasing others. They still need help structuring their military and thats what our primary job is while there (that and defending them).
Yup, these countries get hit by suicide bombers and instead of trying to stop the very attacks we have been fighting against, they get scared and kitty up. Just like if someone hits you in the face, what are you going to do, beat that ass, or run? Way to show your country has balls.
I never said we would be fully pulling out of Iraq, hell, we are still in korea. We are allready reducing number in certain career feilds, but slightly increasing others. They still need help structuring their military and thats what our primary job is while there (that and defending them).
So let me get this straight...
Spain join the coalition, aiding in what is essentially the U.S and U.K against Iraq : "The War on Terror".
Spain are bombed like hell, suffering worse casualties then either of the main protagonists. They are told "We bombed you because you helped the American fellows. Get out our country and we will leave you alone."
So they pull out their troops. And why the hell shouldn't they? It's not like they were in danger until they decided to help the anglo-yank cause.
So, let's reshape that analogy, shall we? If your friend (not a good friend... but a friend none-the-less) gets punched in the face, and he proceeds to get all his mates to come and beat the hell out of the she dog who started it, that's all good. OK.
But then you get stabbed, in a fight that wasn't really to do with you anyway. So what do you do? Risk getting stabbed again, or run and let the rest of your mates finish them off?
The fact is, their would have been NO Madrid bombings if they hadn't joined the coalition. So why can't they pull out of what isn't their war?
I'm not saying these are necessarily all my views... but somebody has to play Devil's Advocate.
Spain join the coalition, aiding in what is essentially the U.S and U.K against Iraq : "The War on Terror".
Spain are bombed like hell, suffering worse casualties then either of the main protagonists. They are told "We bombed you because you helped the American fellows. Get out our country and we will leave you alone."
So they pull out their troops. And why the hell shouldn't they? It's not like they were in danger until they decided to help the anglo-yank cause.
So, let's reshape that analogy, shall we? If your friend (not a good friend... but a friend none-the-less) gets punched in the face, and he proceeds to get all his mates to come and beat the hell out of the she dog who started it, that's all good. OK.
But then you get stabbed, in a fight that wasn't really to do with you anyway. So what do you do? Risk getting stabbed again, or run and let the rest of your mates finish them off?
The fact is, their would have been NO Madrid bombings if they hadn't joined the coalition. So why can't they pull out of what isn't their war?
I'm not saying these are necessarily all my views... but somebody has to play Devil's Advocate.
I see the point, but my point is that these people are sadistic (not all of them, just the ones with bombs tied to their chest and shoot), and if they can hit spain for that reason, they can hit any country for ANY reason they want. Now spain pulling out just to shows who has to real power, next time they want something, they will just start at it again. Just my two cents
I'm with WC on that count guys. Submiting to a bully is rewarding that bully. Spain did what the terrorist wanted, now they have spains number and can dictate what spain does.
Spain probably shouldn't have gone to Iraq against the will of its own people, but after that madrid bombing, it should have been all out war on the terrorist. I'm don't think the terrorist are in Iraq. They tend to hide in Mosques. Should a mosque be off limits if that can be proven?
Spain probably shouldn't have gone to Iraq against the will of its own people, but after that madrid bombing, it should have been all out war on the terrorist. I'm don't think the terrorist are in Iraq. They tend to hide in Mosques. Should a mosque be off limits if that can be proven?
Should a mosque be off limits if that can be proven?
I could smack you for that one.
I know my stuff when it comes to intel, and even if they did hide there and secured all mosques they would just go somewhere else. The truth is, they do not hide in one place, they do not look liek one person. A 3 year old child, and a 80 year old white woman could be a terrorist just as easially as a middle aged man middle eastern man. The key to winning the war is awareness. Be aware of your surrounding, most of the times, people notice wierd things about the situation before it acctually happens that could have prevented the attack, or at least helped prevent loss of life, ect.
I spent 20 hours doing anti-terrorismn classes and it's not just up to military, it's up to the citizens as well. People tend to just ignore warning signs and just 'mind their own bussiness'. But, that is mostly the governments fault if you ask me. Most governments tend to like to gloat to their people and make it sound liek they can't be touched and they are all so big, then when something happens, it is a shock. The other main problem is being defensive with their military and not offensive. If you are chasing after the terrorist and showing them that you are after their ass (both looking for them with eyes and intellegence), then they will be on the defense and less likely be able to attack.
Basically, terrorist are not affraid to die and will do anything to harm you for their cause (whatever they fudge bullshoot they are claiming now days). If we do not at least try to take care of this, then they have won because they have the element of fear and suprise. I am willing to lay my life on the line for the cause of trying to make sure people like those in madrid don't do for a bullcrap cause, I think civillians can support their governments decision to help that cause and be part of it by showing they are not afraid. But, alas, I am one man and no one man can change that.
As for Iraq, my opinion varies on whether we should be there (even though few terrorist are there), but I personally find it kind of hard to argue against taking out saddams government after seeing pictures and hearing stories first hand from my fellow airmen who have served over there. However I do agree our reason was probably bullshoot.
I could smack you for that one.
I know my stuff when it comes to intel, and even if they did hide there and secured all mosques they would just go somewhere else. The truth is, they do not hide in one place, they do not look liek one person. A 3 year old child, and a 80 year old white woman could be a terrorist just as easially as a middle aged man middle eastern man. The key to winning the war is awareness. Be aware of your surrounding, most of the times, people notice wierd things about the situation before it acctually happens that could have prevented the attack, or at least helped prevent loss of life, ect.
I spent 20 hours doing anti-terrorismn classes and it's not just up to military, it's up to the citizens as well. People tend to just ignore warning signs and just 'mind their own bussiness'. But, that is mostly the governments fault if you ask me. Most governments tend to like to gloat to their people and make it sound liek they can't be touched and they are all so big, then when something happens, it is a shock. The other main problem is being defensive with their military and not offensive. If you are chasing after the terrorist and showing them that you are after their ass (both looking for them with eyes and intellegence), then they will be on the defense and less likely be able to attack.
Basically, terrorist are not affraid to die and will do anything to harm you for their cause (whatever they fudge bullshoot they are claiming now days). If we do not at least try to take care of this, then they have won because they have the element of fear and suprise. I am willing to lay my life on the line for the cause of trying to make sure people like those in madrid don't do for a bullcrap cause, I think civillians can support their governments decision to help that cause and be part of it by showing they are not afraid. But, alas, I am one man and no one man can change that.
As for Iraq, my opinion varies on whether we should be there (even though few terrorist are there), but I personally find it kind of hard to argue against taking out saddams government after seeing pictures and hearing stories first hand from my fellow airmen who have served over there. However I do agree our reason was probably bullshoot.
I will agree that Spain should have not pulled out in the way they did, but in all honesty, it was not easy for them not to.
And I think they had every right to do it.
And I think they had every right to do it.
At the risk of being smacked with HTML, I meant that a few extreme clerics are pulling the strings to promote terrorism. Stopping the bomb stuffed nuts is a must, but they are a symptom of the disease, not the cause.
Most Muslims are peaceful and good ( I do have a few muslim friends!) but there are a few "clerics" who say things like "a person with blue eyes cannot be muslim and therefore cannot have a soul. So its not a sin to kill them.". I say they are only using Islam to control people and they are the cause of this terrorism.
Most Muslims are peaceful and good ( I do have a few muslim friends!) but there are a few "clerics" who say things like "a person with blue eyes cannot be muslim and therefore cannot have a soul. So its not a sin to kill them.". I say they are only using Islam to control people and they are the cause of this terrorism.
