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I have a new account, I will keep this new account

I don't really mind if my files don't change, I'm not a point whore so they don't need to be on the new account. Anyway I would still like my reviews to be changed over if that is ok...

Also, ABOUT COUNTER-STRIKE CTF DEMO!!!

Why it's bad and shouldn't have been accepted, at least as it is now...

- The title "Counter-Strike or Counter Strike" is copyrighted now by the original creators of the counter-strike multiplayer game, and now by game devlopers Gearbox for their single-player version of the multiplayer, going under the name of Counter-Strike : Condition Zero

- The end boss is Osama Bin Laden, or at least a look alike, I don't mind spoiling that bit for people as this is a reason hy you shouldn't play it and why it should not have been uploaded. Anyway, use of Osama Bin Laden in a game or use of anything to do with the bugger is not allowed, even if it is freeware. These are real laws I'm talking about here. That's also the reason why Counter-Strike MODS had to have rules to them, one main one is the fact that Osama could not be included AND this is the same as any game or MOD on the internet. Trust me

I am a big fan of counter-strike and know all there is to know about it, these are not phony things and if you cannot take my word for it head down to www.counter-strike.com and ask the people yourselves.

Something should be done

ANOTHER reason, is the fact that I was going to put a game under the name of Counter-Night, hence not under the name of Counter-Strike... and I had no plans whatsoever to include Bin Laden in it. I guess though this person released it before me and I can accpet that fair enough...

Enough ranting???

: I have a new account, I will keep this new account

Your name may be different, but you certainly aren't.

: I don't really mind if my files don't change, I'm not a point whore so they don't need to be on the new account. Anyway I would still like my reviews to be changed over if that is ok...

: Also, ABOUT COUNTER-STRIKE CTF DEMO!!!

: Why it's bad and shouldn't have been accepted, at least as it is now...

: - The title "Counter-Strike or Counter Strike" is copyrighted now by the original creators of the counter-strike multiplayer game, and now by game devlopers Gearbox for their single-player version of the multiplayer, going under the name of Counter-Strike : Condition Zero

Gee, by that same token, games like Alliance Command and Ed the SCV should be taken off the Dink servers because of their graphics and story. Too bad nobody really gives a s**t. People make mods based on existing games all the time. I just played a mod for Morrowind called Castlevania, and another mod for Neverwinter Nights that follows the plot of the original Final Fantasy to the letter. Give it a rest, only overly anal lawyer-type people are really concerned about this stuff.

: - The end boss is Osama Bin Laden, or at least a look alike, I don't mind spoiling that bit for people as this is a reason hy you shouldn't play it and why it should not have been uploaded. Anyway, use of Osama Bin Laden in a game or use of anything to do with the bugger is not allowed, even if it is freeware. These are real laws I'm talking about here. That's also the reason why Counter-Strike MODS had to have rules to them, one main one is the fact that Osama could not be included AND this is the same as any game or MOD on the internet. Trust me

I'm sorry, now this is just getting stupid. In America, such a law would be a gross violation of the 1st Amendment (right to free speech). And I'm pretty sure it's the same in Briton. Heck, I just watched an episode of South Park that included Bin Laden. And I believe the Simpsons had an episode that showed a short clip of Bin Laden in a blender. If nationally sydicated TV shows are able to get away with using Bin Laden's likeness, some obscure d-mod could, too.

: I am a big fan of counter-strike and know all there is to know about it, these are not phony things and if you cannot take my word for it head down to www.counter-strike.com and ask the people yourselves.

: Something should be done

: ANOTHER reason, is the fact that I was going to put a game under the name of Counter-Night, hence not under the name of Counter-Strike... and I had no plans whatsoever to include Bin Laden in it. I guess though this person released it before me and I can accpet that fair enough...

: Enough ranting???

Yes, and next time, you may want to think before you start typing. I've tried to be nice and tolerate your unfitting superior attitude, but I just could not hold my tongue any longer. You attack people without provocation and then hide yourself behind lies and made up facts to make you feel better about your small... self esteem. I would have hoped you would have learned from your past mistakes, but you simply will not stop with your antics.

Striker, you speak for us all. I would go nuts on this one, but WC just warned me, and I don't wanna get banned!

But seriously imacrazyguy (that is what you shall always remain), what are you on about?!?! The thing is, you have to take things with a pinch of salt! So what if it has Bin Laden in it, it's not like it advocates what he did or anything.

So stop trying to win moral Brownie Points.

It doesn't suit you.

And by the way : Maverick was always better than Iceman!

dang, registering more than one name is illegal. So basically this is kind of a crappy situ. Either

A. We delete ICEMAN

B. We delete IMACRAZYGUY and all your reviews are lost.

(or a option I just pulled out my rear end)

C. WC disables IMACRAZYGUY untill redink gets back and I can totally switch over the database.

"time to choose" - Half Life

--WC

Thanks for Holding your tounge Sabretrout. Jamie, dude, quit posting things here that will p**s people off (or at least try ).

In Jamies defense, as striker said, Jamie has the right to free speech in his country and as well on this board. Jamie Really didn't come off as hostile and there is no reason you needed to Striker. For shame.

Counter Strike - CTF

This file shall remain. It isn't breaking any copyright laws (due to the fact it isn't being named 'counter strike' but it's a add on based on the game. And if it is, who cares? It's not like Paco is selling it for profit, or it's taking money away from the people who produced CS (which CS can be downloaded for free, so that would be sierra). Next time you have a complaint about a file, please, submit a complaint, or e-mail a staff member about it.

--WC

Read recent news to see what the desision was, sorry jamie.

--WC

: In Jamies defense, as striker said, Jamie has the right to free speech in his country and as well on this board. Jamie Really didn't come off as hostile and there is no reason you needed to Striker. For shame.

Oh, please, give me a break WC. I have the free speech to tell this guy off... as I do to fire back at your condescending attitude. Sure, he wasn't hostile, but you could obviously see that that it was a veiled attack on Jamie's part. I'm sorry, but things like that tend to really p*** me off. It was an unwarranted and underhanded attempt to discredit someone else's work and I felt the need to step in. And if that means I get attacked too, so be it.

I never said Jamie was innocent, but you still had no right to go after him like that. It's not your place. You do have free speech, but that is limited on this board by our 'laws' (rules if you will). If you kindly will look at the banning FAQ you will see flaming it against the rules and does warrant punishment. I'm not asking much, just forgive and forget.

--WC

Don't be sorry. He wanted a new username, and he ot it. If it means he loses some of his review etc, then unlucky for him. It's all a bit pointless anyway, changing screen-name. ( Why iceman and not Maverick?)

And though I don't mean to be inciteful WC, I think I have a few things to say.

Striker was completely right in what he said. Jamie was just trying to whip up some controversy ( And why?? The guy's not even American. I know that doesn't stop him caring about Sept 11th, but it's a JOKE!).

And I would hope that Jamie has got the same very official warning that I have, else that is REALLY unbelievable.

he speaks truly, I dont think there is any dmod here which has not broken a copyright law... and even more pathetic/stupid when some (not all)people put copyrights in their dmods, for music/graphics/names they have not done..

I mean.. please.. what's up with that?

: he speaks truly, I dont think there is any dmod here which has not broken a copyright law... and even more pathetic/stupid when some (not all)people put copyrights in their dmods, for music/graphics/names they have not done..

: I mean.. please.. what's up with that?

Yeah, but who cares? Nobody cares at all if we break a copyright law. Ooooh Scary!! If we have all done it, then what's the problem? This is a nice, friendly, small community where everyone knows everyone (just about).

IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!

: This is a nice, friendly, small community where everyone knows everyone (just about).

"Where everybody knows your name, and they're always glad you came"

It is stealing others work and taking the credits for it..

Sabre, you'll learn some day when you grow up..

: It is stealing others work and taking the credits for it..

: Sabre, you'll learn some day when you grow up..

Grow up Eldron? You're the one crying like a baby about this, not me. What d-mods have infringed on copyright then? (A Knights Tale has, I guess : But that's not stolen anything).

Who else has "stolen" somebody's work then? Nobody. You'll grow up when you learn something. Anything will do.

if I wanted to be a crybaby I could've typed my topic in full caps.. But now now..

Im just stating the facts, the world is already overfilled with warezmonkeys, does it have to come to the developing area of games aswell?..

where is the joy in taking others work and using it as your own?,.. and then saying 'who cares?' that's just sad..

: if I wanted to be a crybaby I could've typed my topic in full caps.. But now now..

: Im just stating the facts, the world is already overfilled with warezmonkeys, does it have to come to the developing area of games aswell?..  

: where is the joy in taking others work and using it as your own?,.. and then saying 'who cares?'  that's just sad..

I'm talking in the context of Dink here. Does it really matter if a few d-mods pinch a few ideas from films, books or whatever? I don't think it does, it doesn't hurt anyone does it?

And as for you "just stating the facts", saying I need to grow up is an opinion surely?

And you didn't answer my question, who is actually breaking copyright? Saying who cares is not sad, but in this community, I'd say it's true.

: : It is stealing others work and taking the credits for it..

: : Sabre, you'll learn some day when you grow up..

: Grow up Eldron? You're the one crying like a baby about this, not me. What d-mods have infringed on copyright then? (A Knights Tale has, I guess : But that's not stolen anything).

: Who else has "stolen" somebody's work then? Nobody. You'll grow up when you learn something. Anything will do.

(sorry, can't help myself)

now now children

no seriously... i agree that taking someone else's work and taking credit for it is way bad, but it also depends on who they are. i would NEVER take someone else's work from teh DN, and use it, without including them in the credits first, and asking them if they haven't released it forst. however, I frequently take graphics from other games, such as NWN, baldurs gate 2, etc. etc. etc, and never worry!

Well said Tullisti. I'll shut up now.

All the midis in my DMODs have been done by someone else, so too the wavs. Heck, most of the scripts were based on the dink originals.

I've modified original dink graphics, used textures I've found on the web to generate graphics - even used some free 3D models as a basis for some sprites (after some modification) - in fact Crusty and the Cow creature in SOB were images I got from some obscure newsgroup - I believe made by a Japanese artist although I never could find out who.

Games are pop-art. Pop-art and pop-culture draws on varied (hmmm maybe "any") mediums, with multiple cross-referneces. So... lines are bound to be blurred. I stick a copyright on my DMODs, because I believe that my manipulating, rearranging and reconfiguring other art/work puts my stamp on it. Is that so wrong? Who knows. I know I don't.

Just my 2 cents...

: All the midis in my DMODs have been done by someone else, so too the wavs. Heck, most of the scripts were based on the dink originals.

: I've modified original dink graphics, used textures I've found on the web to generate graphics - even used some free 3D models as a basis for some sprites (after some modification) - in fact Crusty and the Cow creature in SOB were images I got from some obscure newsgroup - I believe made by a Japanese artist although I never could find out who.

: Games are pop-art. Pop-art and pop-culture draws on varied (hmmm maybe "any") mediums, with multiple cross-referneces. So... lines are bound to be blurred. I stick a copyright on my DMODs, because I believe that my manipulating, rearranging and reconfiguring other art/work puts my stamp on it. Is that so wrong? Who knows. I know I don't.

: Just my 2 cents...

Well, legally it's wrong.. But if you feel ok with it.. uh, go ahead...

Maybe it's just I that feel bad about using anything that I didn't make myself..

Do you create all your work from scratch - textures included... midis... wavs... ? If you do... well done. I know I don't have the time or skills to do all those things.

: Do you create all your work from scratch - textures included... midis... wavs... ? If you do... well done. I know I don't have the time or skills to do all those things.

Yep, everything, scripts, graphics, music, Well, I do take some samples from other places for my music, but I make sure those samples are available for royalty free use..

So basicly I could legally sell my dmod..

In fact, what has been done that's illegal here? People use others midi's, gfx, wavs etc, but are they not public domain? There may be one or two exceptions, but generally speaking (unless someone tries to sell their work) nothing illegal is being done.

: In fact, what has been done that's illegal here? People use others midi's, gfx, wavs etc, but are they not public domain? There may be one or two exceptions, but generally speaking (unless someone tries to sell their work) nothing illegal is being done.

Thats not entirely correct, even though you wont use get money from using it, it is still copyrighted material, which you can't use without permission from the copyright holders..

I like to do my own work - I really can't stand stealing material - but I could really care less if someone takes my material. I'd appreciate credit, however.

Then again, will I ever get anything done?

: Thats not entirely correct, even though you wont use get money from using it, it is still copyrighted material, which you can't use without permission from the copyright holders..

But WHAT copyrighted material has been used? I suppose Starcraft and Warcraft graphics are, but apart from those, what examples are there?

: : Thats not entirely correct, even though you wont use get money from using it, it is still copyrighted material, which you can't use without permission from the copyright holders..

: But WHAT copyrighted material has been used? I suppose Starcraft and Warcraft graphics are, but apart from those, what examples are there?

lots of songs, graphics here and there.. trademark-names..

: I like to do my own work - I really can't stand stealing material - but I could really care less if someone takes my material. I'd appreciate credit, however.

: Then again, will I ever get anything done?

You don't seem to understand what I'm trying to say. I'm not talking about using graphics or sounds or all that crap. I'm simply talking about the trademark name. All he needs to do is change the Counter Strike part in his name. That's all that's copyrighted, the characters may be from Counter-Strike but they have been drawn so it doesn't matter. Simply change the name to CS Capture The Flag (CTF In the Counter-Strike World)

: All he needs to do is change the Counter Strike part in his name. That's all that's copyrighted, the characters may be from Counter-Strike but they have been drawn so it doesn't matter. Simply change the name to CS Capture The Flag (CTF In the Counter-Strike World)

ok then, how about this:

Since it has absolutely nothing to do with you, like its not even your dmod, why dont't you simply "butt out?!?!" your suggestion has been noted, and I'm sure that if the author feels it is nessesary, he/she will change it. If not, i really doubt someone is going to sue their pants off.

hope this does not come across too arrogant or anything, but i really cannot see what this has to do with you, at all!

I don't think any of us have a place to say anything about the name of this d-mod. The author has called it that, the people from CS are NOT gonna come along and sue him are they? So whats the problem? By calling it Counter-Strike, he is letting us know his inspiration, and what it's based on.

I don't like stealing things either, but with d-mod's, I just see it as a little "extra" touch to let people know what the mod is about.

: You don't seem to understand what I'm trying to say.

Actually, I was replying to the other topic that the thread slowly switched to (Whether or not using someone else's material is good), not you.

But if you want to know how I feel about your post: If you've got a problem with that, e-mail the author. The board's not the place to carry this stuff out, especially since (to the best of my knowledge) the creator of the D-Mod does not view this board.

Thanks.

: But if you want to know how I feel about your post: If you've got a problem with that, e-mail the author. The board's not the place to carry this stuff out, especially since (to the best of my knowledge) the creator of the D-Mod does not view this board.

Carry what stuff out? I think you've got confuddled somewhere (what a good word, eh?). I don't mind what the author has done, it's Jamie and Eldron that are opposed.

: Carry what stuff out? I think you've got confuddled somewhere (what a good word, eh?). I don't mind what the author has done, it's Jamie and Eldron that are opposed.

That was a response to the Man of Ice, not you. See the quote?