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DD 1 Fiat: having 5 swords and 5 axes but NO special treatment

Dinky Dimensions 1: FIAT

July 1st 2015, 08:44 AM
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Hello,

I think i am stuck in FIAT becouse off a bug....
I have BOTH the special sword AND the axe, and aswell the FOUR axes and swords, BUT, there is still the same explanation that i should find the special items, which i already have!!
the problem MIGHT be the fact that i had to collect them TWICE since my carry space was fully loaded
There was NO message at that time, afaik since i had messages about potions i found but NOT about the sord nor the axe that there was no sufficient space...
So I am stuck with 5 swords and 5 axes
What did i miss
or is this realy a Bugg?

C

PS,
so i can not upload an screenshot?
nor a save-game?
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July 2nd 2015, 10:05 AM
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btw i have magic level 6 here..is that enough?
July 2nd 2015, 04:06 PM
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Skurn
Peasant He/Him Equatorial Guinea duck bloop
can't flim flam the glim glam 
You are a true warrior getting that far in that... dmod

Are there really so little magic potions/mega potions scattered around the islands?
July 3rd 2015, 05:15 AM
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hi,
i didnt find them, but there are potions for quick restore of magic power, so it might be intended.
And i did the 'warrior' work for 95% myself and used some hints from the solution pages.
i spend quite some time under the church , training and getting mo points.
but i am at xp level 20 now so now i need a mere 20*20*100 is a bloody load of XP to get my magic to level 7

actualy i had only ONE mega potion and that was a gift from the random machine, down in the cave off the stone lord, while looking (again) for the ultimate weapons, which now wont work

July 10th 2015, 02:27 AM
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shevek
Peasant They/Them Netherlands
Never be afraid to ask, but don't demand an answer 
There are six special weapons, Snedfee has a bow, an axe and a sword, and so does Gimac. To make the ultimate sword, you need Snedfee's sword, Gimac's sword, 5 different elemental swords and a regular sword. Similarly for the axe and the bow. Snedfee's and Gimac's weapons are very rare, and so it is quite unlikely that you get two weapons of the same type. I think they should have been a bit easier to get, but I didn't make the game.
July 12th 2015, 08:41 AM
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CrisisusXIII
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AHA, Snedfee and Gimac BOTH have a sword. but there are only 4 elemental swords so i asume you made a little typo there, but counting up gives 4+2+1=7 swords for 1 ultimate sword...
thanks a lot

btw i keep dungeon crawling on the southern isle, thats an easy but time consuming option
July 12th 2015, 01:37 PM
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shevek
Peasant They/Them Netherlands
Never be afraid to ask, but don't demand an answer 
No, that's no typo. After beating the fire knight on rife, the lost island of odvi rises up from the sea. There are void elemental creatures there; the void knight needs to be battled to get access to void magic, just like the other elements. You needs air, earth, water, fire, void, non-magical, Snedfee's and Gimac's swords, for a total of 8, to create one ultimate sword.

Note that Snedfee's and Gimac's weapons are not unique items; every time you kill a slayer or stone giant (and use one of a few special wells), there is a 1/20 chance that it will give you an item. Then there's a 1/10 chance that it will be the one you want (normal/Snedfee's/Gimac's sword/axe/bow each 1/10, plus 1/10 mega potion). It is just as likely that you get a "correct" weapon (matching one you already have, for example you get Gimac's sword when you already have Snedfee's sword) as it is to get a duplicate weapon.

So to break that down: If you don't care which ultimate weapon you will get, you have 1/20*6/10=3% chance every time to get one. Then to get the second weapon, you have 1/20*1/10=0.5% chance. This means that on average, you need to kill log(0.5)/log(0.97)=23 of those monsters to get the first weapon and log(.5)/log(.995)=138 of them for the second weapon. That is an insane amount of grinding. (It is also slightly off, because during those 138 tries you will get other special weapons, increasing the chance of finding a "good" one.)

I did find a shortcut, however, which is only slightly cheating (it doesn't require editing any scripts; that would obviously be an easy way to get what you want). I'm working on a let's play for Fiat (I started that some time ago; I'll replace it with a new one) where I'll probably demonstrate it.
July 13th 2015, 09:13 PM
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crisisusXIII
Ghost They/Them
 
oops the a-voids..they are strong suckers.. better avoid them
i sold my swords to have room and i think the voids dont like fire the least so i should throw my fire axe, i asume

Thanks for reminding and the calculations
July 13th 2015, 10:54 PM
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CrisisusXIII
Ghost They/Them
 
There is one other little thingie,
since one depends on slayers for the special weapons its good to know that the slayer in the Drognu cave, in the sector under the save cave can go off grid in the left down corner

you can avoid this behavior if you enter that part from that same left-down corner since then the slayer will start in the upper left corner

BUT if you enter from the Upper left corner then there is a big change the slayer will go off grid since then it will start at the down left corner. and if you kill it AND if that slayer drops a special weapen there is a big change you wont reach it, since it is off grid...
Slayer off grid

July 29th 2018, 08:28 PM
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I have all eight but he won't make an ultimate sword for me.