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Serious question: Should I give the demo a bugfix and increase it's length or just keep working on the main project?

On a side topic, I've read the DinkC reference multiple times (seriously, the whole thing, even though it explicitly says it won't be all that helpful) and I can't see any specific way of changing maps other than the command given, yet I haven't worked out how to actually use it.
How exactly do I implement a map change, and how would I go about setting the Dmod to change the map to either Option 1 or Option 2 depending on the character's choices (specific global) throughout the Dmod?

Edit: Tried taking a look at FB3 with no luck there in explaining it. Or if it did, I couldn't decipher it.

First, a few things to warn you about:

Broken barrels, chests, killed pillbugs. Those get saved into the savegame, and, while they depend on the map logically, the savegame doesn't know this.
For example: If you break a barrel (which happens to be sprite 4 on screen 12) on the first map, and you then switch maps, sprite 4 on screen 12 will appear to be a broken barrel, even if it is the final boss or something.
Luckily, you can use "clear_editor_info();" to make the savegame forget about all that stuff. But then, when you return to the first map, the barrel won't be broken anymore.
Same with anything else using editor_seq, editor_frame, and editor_num. So if you decide to store whether a rock has been pushed or not in its editor_seq or editor_frame, that'll be forgotten too.

Anyway. When you have your first map in map.dat (with accompanying dink.dat), and your second map in map2.dat (with dink2.dat):

load_map("map2.dat","dink2.dat");
clear_editor_info();

To change back to the first map:

load_map("map.dat","dink.dat");
clear_editor_info();

Many thanks for clearing up the confusion magicman
Fortunately, Fate of Destiny's storyline won't send you back to map 1 regardless. By the end of the first map, you should be going to either Map 2 or Map 3 and finishing the game on one of those for either ending (if I'll have more than 2 endings then either way they'll be on either of those maps).
The other thing though is that I've already heard mention of the savegame files storing that information, so I'm prepared for that.

Thanks again *kicks self for not realising it could be so simple*

Maybe if you had actually even worked on it more than 1/10 I would tell what you should do. I basically found out that all the awesome stuff in the Mod was made by Rob, MsDink and Pillbug. Shame on you!

Work on the actual game, demos are overrated!!

*choke* 1/10?
7/10 of its scripting was me (the rest Robj and other's help), 8/10 of the map plan (water here, grass there) was me ( only 1/2 of the decorating with trees etc was me though, including the parts I changed which MsD helped on) , and all of the storyline was me.
You call that 1/10? Even with pillbug's actual contribution to FoD being 0

At least in the full game most of the first area has been re-vamped (other than the 2nd island's first half, MsDink did a good job helping decorate that)

Well, from what I heard, Rob mapped the area around the blind lady's house. He mapped and did most of the scripts inside the cave. He scripted the blind lady's script. MsDink apparently made the map after the bridge and Pillbug was mentioned in the readme so I guess he made the rest of the stuff.

Your source sounds very confusing.
Though you did just remind me that Rob helped with the hardness around the house, that's all I remember him helping with map-wise. He didn't make the scripts you mentioned other than helping with the warp-in, warp-out for said cave.

Pillbug offered to help but I don't recall ever getting any such help from him.

Yeh, I just helped with the parts mentioned. I helped fix some of those scripts, and helped with the code and stuff though, when exdeath needed help. Also helped fix a couple of things to do with mapping here and there, such as remapping some of the first area to fit the water edge and fixing the hardness problems, but Exdeath did the main detailing and everything else. I think I helped with the slime boss script too, if I remember correctly. I stopped helping with it after the first area anyway, cause I am lazy, rofl.

Also, Exdeath, the way you asked me was quite disturbing, lol.

"As for my hardness problem, maybe you can fix what mess I've made."

Indeed. Such a memorable Dinkchat quote too

Why so much post editing, Ex?

I only edit posts after I make them. I'm a bit of a perfectionist with what I type.

Edit: Okay, a bit may be an understatement...
And in all honesty, I was also trying to recall the exact facts on your claims to confirm or deny.

How about the fact that people have told me what they have worked on when making this D-Mod. And I can count 1+1, so really, after all the stuff they have done, there's not really that much that you could have done.

Sounds to me like all you're doing at the moment is trying to say how much of FoD wasn't made by me. Parts of the game leading up to the Demo which was released, I had help with, but then I closed the Dmod off from everyone else so it is actually my Dmod.
(ed.) Though of course I give credit where it is due.

I'm not sure why you're trying to start an argument with me but since you are I'm just not going to post in this thread again, I think. Though I'm disappointed at your sudden dislike of me.

I think Skull is afraid that he will not be the only one who have made an epic soon. I also think he has realised that this will be better than his own and therefore he wants it too look like you have made as little as possible here.

Though of course I give credit where it is due.

That is exactly my problem. What actually mostly belongs to others, you claim for yourself. You say that you've made this D-Mod, when half of the stuff is made by others. Even if you made, say half of the D-Mod, the others who were included in creating are as much of the authors as you. Even more so, since they apparently created everything that I thought was awesome in this D-Mod.

EDIT: And Iplaydink, you are probably the worst to say that, when it's quite clear the glory has risen to your head already, after a few simple D-Mods. Even as a demo, made by anyone, ExD or others, FoD is already better than any of my D-Mods, no question about that. I just have the problem that I stated above.

Take it easy, I was just messing with you.
I myself don't think this will be finished (no offence ExD) and HH will be the biggest and best (recent) dmod for many years. Oh I'll get the updated review done soon... I think

Oh, and this is not the only time I've heard about ExD stealing/claiming ideas as his, and other selfish crap. But I'm not gonna go there, cause I don't feel like being a donkey today anymore, unless it's really required.

What is your aim with this slandering?

You seem to have some major issues with Ex-D.

I do have, and I'm not the only one. If you actually wanted to understand my point in this thread, it wouldn't be that hard to. I'm sure you wouldn't like to have created a D-Mod with someone, who then takes all the credit for himself. I've gotten a few thanks from the people that I have defended in this thread, and that is exactly my aim with this slandering, to defend and give those people credit who were a part in creating this D-Mod. I'm not taking anything away from ExD that he did create, but claiming he created something that he didn't, well I have a problem with that.

Whoa...I like being mentioned, but I had school and other things on my mind, and as much as I wanted to, basically the only thing I can remember helping with, if anything, was support.

First of all I never took all of the credit for this Dmod so far as I can remember this early in the morning. Second of all, it sounds like you're complaining that the file on the DN only has me listed as the author. The readme file thanks and says exactly who has helped with the actual creation of the Dmod (albeit under the Special Thanks wall more than the Game Type/New Map/Free wall with all of the dots, which after checking definitely needs to be the first part of the Demo update ) and not just given me assistance with one script or other.

Second of all, I don't think its very appropriate that you climb on a rock and act as a figurehead for anyone who has a problem with me for some reason. I find it disrespectful and harder to sort out said problems, whatever they are, directly. By the sounds of it, any problems you have with me are partly biased and just boosted by whatever negativity you've been hearing.
If they don't want to tell me they have a problem then that's fine too, but picking a figurehead and hiding in the shadows is as bad as a (Example only) Nation which is ruled by corporations because the government has no real power (/example). Also, it's just rude.

Look who's talking. A person that will do exactly what he thought was wrong sooner or later. I'm just pissed off cause this is something you seem to do a lot. Steal & claim ideas/things as your own.

Okay, now you're just being annoying to be quite frank, because I don't see any examples in your post proving this to me.

Seriously. Give me examples of whatever the heck you're talking about now, because you're turning a simple question thread into a flamewar against me and I'm this close to asking to have this thread closed. It probably should be closed now.

EDIT: Skorn, no offence, but gtfo my thread. This doesn't concern you.

Could you give some examples, Skull? Otherwise I think this is kinda pathetic... Also, people have "thanked you" for "defending them"? Some people really need to grow some balls apparently. Really.

An example, alright. I am not going to say the person's name cause he/she would probably get offended if I did. However, you have apparently posted a PM between you and him/her to the chatroom, which he/she didn't like that much. However, only minutes later you come and flame mr.Skorn here, to not do so. Wanna hear my other dozen problems with you?

EDIT: Oh, and there's obviously this person to prove that he/she thanked me. And IPD can prove it too, cause apparently he/she PM'd IPD about me being correct in this thread.

Go ahead, list them all. That's what I've been asking you to do.

No no, I want you to clearly state in public every problem you have with me right now. Afterwards the thread can be closed by whoever is able to, because I'd appreciate no comments about your problems with me unless said problems are second hand (other people's problems with me) and they decide to stand up for themselves instead of whisper slanders in the shadows.

Ok, I think your biggest problem is that you're arrogant. Coming from my mouth, it may seem a little bit ridiculous, cause yes, I'm arrogant myself. But your arrogance goes so far that I've had a person complaining about being annoyed, and even scared of you, for almost a year now. Sure, it was half jokingly but there were lots of things he/she complained about you. I also have a problem with you stealing ideas/things and claim the as yours, as I just said. And don't bother saying something like "I did create that part of the map" or something, cause I have the person's word that you didn't. I also have other person's word for you not creating something you claim to have created. And I hate to say this, but two persons' words against one person's word, well guess who I believe more?

Sorry skull,but the mod counts as the one whose idea it is.

Guys,why are you on the dink network?
To claim that you made a d-mod?
so what if you did make it and so what if you didnt
its not like you get paid for it
me now

I can guess who you're talking about now since you continue to talk regarding the Dmodding topic, but won't follow up on that problem unless they themselves decide to step forward then so I can sort it out. Though almost a year of them complaining to you about me? Wow.

A full year of nothing but negative comments from a person seems way beyond normality for anyone. Personally I'd rather sort that problem out with them, but you seem to have taken the constant hate of me from someone else to heart.

Edit: I would prefer more details on those problems to be said in PM I think then. Whatever these things are that you're talking about seem to confuse me more than anything, but if, as you say, I've "claimed credit" for them then naming what you're talking about (not who) would eventually reveal who you're talking about if it isn't obvious enough already.

I didn't have problems with you. It was the other person who first started complaining about you. At first I wasn't really bothered by you, but the more the time passed, the more I started having problems with how you behaved, and noticed that the problem with you was your arrogance.

why?
JUST WHY?
THIS IS POINTLESS!
EDIT:Me Being hellfire saying this you might say he's one to talk
when I spam/flame I try to make as many as people who can laugh
Sure people could be in bad moods and get annoyed but think about the next person that could laugh.
We have no idea how many ghosts/lurkers without accounts could be here.

Thankyou for being honest, I appreciate it and I apologize for the way I act and my personal behavior on the internet. Admittedly it doesn't mirror the way I act in real-life (I've been called one of the more secluded, silent, emo-looking-but-not-emo-at-all types).

To the person with the original problem with me, if you'd please talk to me directly so I could completely sort out the problem, feel free to do so.

Hellfire, I'm not sure you understand what's being discussed here...

Administrative members may freely close this thread now (said while none are actually on because there's still time for any last comments before they do that)

You are not funny.

Edit: that was directed to hellfire...

EDIT: Skorn, no offence, but gtfo my thread. This doesn't concern you.

That's why I'm watching.

Unless you have a problem with me as well that you'd like to sort out, please try to avoid irrelivent posts.
Or unless you want to cast a vote towards updating or ignoring and just working on the full version of FoD.

I think the thread might be a bit too far gone for that. As for my opinion... It depends on the chances of this getting finished. If it has a fairly high probability, keep working on the full version. If the chances are somewhat lower you could at least make the demo version first so even when the project would get canceled there would still be the demo.

I think this should be locked.

This is pathetic.

Locked.