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Killing babies to become ok?

July 31st 2013, 07:06 PM
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Skull
Peasant Male Finland bloop
"I'd like to be a tree..." 
Doubt a thing like this will ever pass, but just wanted to ask what you guys think about it? Or rather, how ridiculous do you think this is, cause I really doubt anybody here supports the idea.

http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/2013/07/30/self-defense-wrong-killing-babies-ok/
July 31st 2013, 07:50 PM
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scratcher
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Seems like some crazy strawman argument. Nobody supports the idea of "aborting" newborns. I don't know how lenient abortion laws are generally in the US, but at least in Finland, abortion is only allowed fairly freely before the 12th week of pregnancy. After that getting a permission for abortion is much more difficult, and after the 24th week of pregnancy abortion isn't an option at all. (24th week is actually very late - if the fetus is born at that point, it has a 50% chance of survival.)

And more and more people are becoming numb to the liberal agenda that human life, if in the form of an infant or unborn child, is not precious at all.

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And the real problem here is NOT with people like Harris-Perry. It's with all the people in this country who simply don't pay attention to what's going on and fall for the left wing agenda promoted by the likes of Barack Obama and the media.

It's official; Barack Obama wants to kill babies.
July 31st 2013, 07:57 PM
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Skull
Peasant Male Finland bloop
"I'd like to be a tree..." 
I'm kinda 50/50 on abortion. There are cases where I do support it, such as underaged mothers. But after birth is definitely where I draw the line.
July 31st 2013, 08:16 PM
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shevek
Peasant Netherlands
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If I heard correctly, only one person realized that "4th trimester" means after the baby is born.

So they had an interviewer with a misleading question and the interviewed people were misled by it. How is this relevant for the argument he's trying to make?

I'm kinda 50/50 on abortion.

I think if we'd abort 50% of all pregnancies, we might actually have a chance to stop the ever growing population on the planet. So that sounds like a valid position.
July 31st 2013, 08:22 PM
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DackFight
Peasant Male United States
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shevek, draws a good good, controlling the population could cause less homelessness.

I agree with skull about if abortion should be legal, mainly underage mothers.
July 31st 2013, 08:23 PM
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KrisKnox
Peasant Male United States steam
The site's resident Therian (Dire Wolf, Dragon) 
If people don't want babies, then they can stop porking each other constantly. The best way to cut down on teenage pregnancy is to show them the realities of it, show them how screwed up their life becomes because they can't keep their pecker in their pants.
That would also cut down on a lot of abortions.

Now, with abortions, there are few things that I would accept as viable, such as if the mother was dying because of the baby, or if the baby would suffer upon birth due to inoperable defects.
July 31st 2013, 08:25 PM
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DackFight
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Kris, I doubt teens would just stop, doing it if you show them the consequence, they think it won't happen or it will be to fun to, do it.
July 31st 2013, 08:40 PM
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shevek
Peasant Netherlands
Never be afraid to ask, but don't demand an answer 
The best way to cut down on teenage pregnancy is to show them the realities of it, show them how screwed up their life becomes because they can't keep their pecker in their pants.

That has been shown to be a very ineffective way of birth control. People are evolved to want sex, and they will do it. However, some idiots who don't believe in evolution, both in political parties and religious organisations, are against effective means of birth control, for reasons which I don't understand even remotely.

I mean, during sex about 280000000 sperm cells are sent on their way to try to produce a baby. Best case (from a "pro-life" standpoint), all of them but one will die. This is fine, according to those people. But that one extra is a huge problem, and it's murder...
July 31st 2013, 08:48 PM
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leprochaun
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Responsible for making things not look like ass 
When in doubt, blame the sexual education system for relying on scare tactics rather than relevant information.
July 31st 2013, 09:22 PM
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scratcher
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Kris, I doubt teens would just stop, doing it if you show them the consequence, they think it won't happen or it will be to fun to, do it.

A sensible Dack post? Kudos, man, kudos.

I'll say, if I'm single and I'm suddenly greeted by the prospect of porking a hot chick with my Bonca Slayer 3000, I'm not so sure I would say 'do not want', even today. What I WOULD say is 'I do not wish to mate with ye unprotected, harpy,' and drag her to a grocery store.

The big hurdle to using protection for teens is probably that it's rather embarrassing to buy something like condoms. Even using one when you're about to have sex is a pretty awkward extra hurdle, moreso if you are (both) inexperienced. Good sex-ed could definitely help with stuff like that.
July 31st 2013, 10:12 PM
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leprochaun
Peasant Male Japan xbox steam bloop
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I'll say, if I'm single and I'm suddenly greeted by the prospect of porking a hot chick with my Bonca Slayer 3000, I'm not so sure I would say 'do not want', even today. What I WOULD say is 'I do not wish to mate with ye unprotected, harpy,' and drag her to a grocery store.


That is the greatest thing I've ever read.
July 31st 2013, 11:22 PM
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DackFight
Peasant Male United States
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Thank you Scratch and I hope bonca Slayer 3000 means what I think it is. Is it like my bonca slayer 3001.

Edit: And for my first scare tactic, if you and someone else go in a room and shake the bed, a leprochaun will steal your family jewels.
August 1st 2013, 12:15 AM
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ThePunisher
Peasant Male
(Tag Line) How long is this line. 
if people don't want babies, then they can stop porking each other constantly. The best way to cut down on teenage pregnancy is to show them the realities of it, show them how screwed up their life becomes because they can't keep their pecker in their pants.
That would also cut down on a lot of abortions.


Perhaps one of the most logical thing that has ever said I mean why do whjy cant they get theri shinka dink to them selves
August 1st 2013, 02:14 AM
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Spinnerweb
Peasant Male Pakistan
Swimming through sick lullabies. 
August 1st 2013, 04:00 AM
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MsDink
Peasant Female New Zealand
Tag - Umm.. tag, you're it? 
What I WOULD say is 'I do not wish to mate with ye unprotected, harpy

omg scratchy you are hilarious!! More playthrus please heh
August 1st 2013, 04:12 AM
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yeoldetoast
Peasant Australia steam
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I think abortion should be legal in every circumstance. Why stop at birth? Why don't we allow abortions up to age 18? It should be the parent's decision.

Actually, why should we restrict age? And for that matter why restrict it to parents? I think anyone should be allowed to perform an abortion on anyone else without any sort of restriction. There are some children who live in the block next to mine who are incredibly noisy. I would consider aborting them myself if the laws were changed.

I had a friend who was tired with living so they performed an auto-abortion, which, at the moment is technically illegal. It should be a person's right to choose.
August 1st 2013, 04:33 AM
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KrisKnox
Peasant Male United States steam
The site's resident Therian (Dire Wolf, Dragon) 
Aborting on the basis that you dislike kids isn't a good enough excuse in my book. If you don't want the kid, just set them up for adoption, let someone choose the kid, someone who actually wants them but can't because of miscarriages and whatnot.

Besides, allowing teens (Who aren't raped or molested) to abort whenever they want will open the floodgates to more and more teenage pregnancies and subsequently more and more abortions.
August 1st 2013, 05:13 AM
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Skull
Peasant Male Finland bloop
"I'd like to be a tree..." 
If people don't want babies, then they can stop porking each other constantly. The best way to cut down on teenage pregnancy is to show them the realities of it, show them how screwed up their life becomes because they can't keep their pecker in their pants.

I think Scratcher's reply to this hit the nail pretty good. We as people should be at the point where we can teach our children about sexuality and sex (including the safety part of it) as commonly as we can talk about a chair in the living room. Instead, we don't do so, and our children grow to be embarrassed about even admitting to themselves that they are sexual beings. This of course leads teenagers to become hesitant, a little scared, and thoughtless about sex, which again leads into mistakes and teenage pregnancies.

But there's another problem there. Not everybody just goes screwing in the bushes, so to speak. There's rape too. I think women who've been raped and become pregnant because of that, should have the option of abortion. Especially if they're young. Birth alone is very painful, but imagine an 18-year-old having to give birth to a baby which she never even wanted. Besides, an 18-year-old is practically still in a child-like development stage him/herself.
August 1st 2013, 06:01 AM
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megadogV2
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If someone doesn't want to have their body damaged by childbirth (which happens almost all the time, in some form or other) then it's their right to go through with an abortion. While I want to draw the line at birth, my logic says draw the line at sapience of the child, which is unfortunately late. However, I can bring that back to self operation, which is complete at birth by the severing of the umbilical cord. I don't think people should abort around then, it should have to be done earlier, but it's hard to pin down a good time with sound justification before then. Perhaps when the brain has finished developing?
August 1st 2013, 01:38 PM
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DackFight
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many valid points I agree with, but one question, why abort it when the brain has finished development megadogV2.
August 1st 2013, 03:30 PM
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Murder is murder,not mater how old the victim is.
We all know how babies are made,and abortion is just a simple solution for immature people.

I'm sorry if this sounds kinda strict or radical,it wasn't intended to sound so.

People should think with their heads (as opposed to other stuff) or at least take responsibility for their actions.

As for the rapes... I really don't know.Sensitive subject,man.
August 1st 2013, 05:17 PM
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shevek
Peasant Netherlands
Never be afraid to ask, but don't demand an answer 
Besides, allowing teens (Who aren't raped or molested) to abort whenever they want will open the floodgates to more and more teenage pregnancies and subsequently more and more abortions.

This is a major misunderstanding. The Netherlands is known for (among other things) its liberal laws on abortion and soft drugs. Both of these lead to complaints from other countries, including the US, that we're stimulating improper things. But in fact, having liberal laws may be a reason for exceptionally low use of those "facilities":

Drug related things compared

Note how the Netherlands scores better on every point, notably including the use of drugs.

Contraception in The Netherlands: the low abortion rate explained.

Quoting: The Dutch experience with family planning shows the following characteristics: a strong wish to reduce reliance on abortion, ongoing sexual and contraceptive education related to the actual experiences of the target groups, and low barrier family planning services.

The abstract also mentions that the declining influence of the church plays a role. Which shows that the low abortion rate may or may not be caused by the liberal laws; there are many other differences between our countries. But the claim that making it illegal will cause it not being done is very doubtful; my guess would be the opposite.
August 2nd 2013, 03:36 PM
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DackFight
Peasant Male United States
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1. Good researching Shevek.

2. About the rape thing, if the baby isn't born then how can they catch the culprit if s/he got away? other then what s/he saw.
August 3rd 2013, 09:12 PM
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megadogV2
Peasant Male New Zealand bloop
Only paritally dead. 
I meant up until brain development...?

Also, you can perform other genetic tests than on a live baby, including on the aborted fetus. It would actually help catch the culprit faster, considering you'd have genetic evidence within a reasonable amount of time of the rape...

I'm not going to say much on the subject of murder, but if that's your opinion, I would suspect you to be a PETA supporter, because fetuses are not always people (otherwise eggs and sperm must be people, or at least half people, which makes having sex genocide.)
August 3rd 2013, 10:48 PM
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shevek
Peasant Netherlands
Never be afraid to ask, but don't demand an answer 
I don't think people should abort around then, it should have to be done earlier, but it's hard to pin down a good time with sound justification before then. Perhaps when the brain has finished developing?

If I'm not mistaken, that is about 4 years after birth.
August 4th 2013, 10:46 PM
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megadogV2
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Only paritally dead. 
By that, I mean is actually functional. Up until that point, they arguably aren't alive, as life is most often (in humans) put up to whether the brain is functioning.
August 5th 2013, 02:08 AM
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DackFight
Peasant Male United States
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I guess that could work I just didn't think that, good point.

Also your saying many people commit genocide when there just thump-a-tee-thump-a-tee.
August 6th 2013, 08:50 PM
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schnapper
Peasant Male Heard Island And Mcdonald Islands
Let us save our effort and just lie down and die. 
Humans are an expendable resource. We should initiate a cull.
August 6th 2013, 09:38 PM
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DackFight
Peasant Male United States
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and a cull is....?
August 6th 2013, 09:42 PM
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megadogV2
Peasant Male New Zealand bloop
Only paritally dead. 
If 20000 sperm are released during ejaculation, and on average 1 of those 20000 become a child, 19999 are killed by being expelled into the dangerous conditions of the female internal genitalia (seriously, nearly all the sperm die before reaching the womb). This means that the female is performing genocide and you are an accomplice. Therefor, sperm and eggs can't be human.
August 6th 2013, 09:44 PM
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DackFight
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woooooo, I'm a survivor of a mass genocide! Also what is a cull?
August 10th 2013, 12:55 AM
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Therefor, sperm and eggs can't be human.

Well that's not really good enough reason to prove they aren't human, however I do agree that they aren't. However... once they combine into a growing organism, I don't believe it's right to "dispose" of them. This is the point where if no further action is taken, there will be a baby (barring some accident or mutation causing failure of birth).

So no, I don't really think abortion is right unless there is a very good reason for it. (i.e. mother will die or something). As for rape...a hard one to decide. I say if the mother can take care of the baby they should not get an abortion, and if they can't they should not get an abortion but could give the baby to a shelter/orphanage or allow a family member to adopt it. But it's hard to say... I don't really like any of the "workarounds" for rape pregnancy.

At any rate, we need to be smarter with the things in our pants and not get pregnant all the time...
August 10th 2013, 01:13 AM
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Paul
Peasant Male United States
 
Abortion is safer than child birth. So it is self defense.

P.S. Hi.
August 10th 2013, 12:16 PM
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shevek
Peasant Netherlands
Never be afraid to ask, but don't demand an answer 
This is the point where if no further action is taken, there will be a baby

No, that point is long before that. When a boy and a girl meet, you are there already. Unless we tell them that they shouldn't make a baby (it works best if the talk is accompanied by tools to prevent pregnancy; preventing sex is a lost cause), they will. It's in our nature.

As for rape...a hard one to decide. [...] if they can't [take care of the baby] they should not get an abortion but ...

Making a child is a way to be immortal. A part of you lives on in your child. It has half of your genes. The idea that half the rapist is in your child is really bad. I can well imagine that someone who has been raped considers it bad enough to not want this child to be living at all.

It's not just "I wasn't ready for having a child"; the child itself is the problem, so it makes sense to kill it.

And killing really isn't that bad. Pigs are much more intelligent and self-aware than unborn children, or even young children. Therefore, killing pigs is morally much more objectionable than abortion. So people who are against abortion should better be vegetarians as well. But AFAIK many of the "pro-life" people also like hunting and eating lots of meat... I don't know how they can combine that.
August 10th 2013, 12:24 PM
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shevek
Peasant Netherlands
Never be afraid to ask, but don't demand an answer 
P.S. Hi.

Hi Paul! Nice to see you here. Please stay for a while.
August 10th 2013, 08:16 PM
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DackFight
Peasant Male United States
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1. If a babe of rape is made, couldn't it become a rapist?
2. Who is Paul
3. The banana cookie cake is a lie!
August 10th 2013, 10:00 PM
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schnapper
Peasant Male Heard Island And Mcdonald Islands
Let us save our effort and just lie down and die. 
Cull (v): b.4.b spec. To select and kill (wild animals or birds), usu. in order to improve the stock or reduce the population.

Most humans are capable of enacting non-consensual copulation aka rape.

Every time you move, thousands of cells throughout your body die. If you remain sedentary, thousands of cells die. When women have their period, they aren't dirty and they aren't murderers. When a man's testicles get full, you'll likely have a "wet dream". Alternatively your body breaks your sperm down and reabsorbs it. So is wearing a condom immoral? Mr. Pope?
August 11th 2013, 12:36 AM
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DackFight
Peasant Male United States
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Which of us is Mr.Pope ? so your saying with enough of keeping our hands to ourselves [Beavis and Butthead] we cam stop wet dreams like butters[southpark]
August 11th 2013, 09:50 PM
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shevek
Peasant Netherlands
Never be afraid to ask, but don't demand an answer 
Who is Paul

Click on his name and you see his profile. He released some of the best files on the site.
August 11th 2013, 11:18 PM
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DackFight
Peasant Male United States
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of yeah now I know him, he needs to finish Cross Dink.