What do you think hunting is like?
Just curious. I don't know what ppl think about hunting, so let me know. Of course, hunting in the USA is quite different than in e.g. Finland.
it sucks, its useless, and if i ever see you hunting on innocent animals i'll rip your head off your stupid body.
How do you know whether an animal is innocent or not? Don't say they're all innocent... Animals are as animals as are the humans, and there's nothing more innocent in them than there is in us.
Personally, I like hunting, but I don't kill anything if it doesn't do something to me first.. that means I no longer go in the forest and shoot birds with my air pistol.
Personally, I like hunting, but I don't kill anything if it doesn't do something to me first.. that means I no longer go in the forest and shoot birds with my air pistol.
they are innocent enough. so humans are just as innocent as animals. then why don't you go hunt on humans?
because they belong to the same race as I, because I feel like I'm one of them, because I can understand them better than other animals...
I feel the same way for some animals, like cats or dogs, which I would need a very good reason to kill.
I feel the same way for some animals, like cats or dogs, which I would need a very good reason to kill.
if i lived by your theory i would go hunting on every person i don't understand. be prepared.
How do you know whether an animal is innocent or not?
What a stupid thing to say. Animals do not hunt to put some human's head on the wall.
What a stupid thing to say. Animals do not hunt to put some human's head on the wall.
Animals do not hunt for their survival only, either. Cats for example can hunt down a mouse just because it's exciting, or because they don't have anything else to do. Besides, cats usually torture their victims, by e.g. breaking their leg so they cannot escape, then throwing them in the air and playing with them, until they get bored or the poor poor innocent mouse dies. Many animals like to torture their victims and sometimes not even eat them, they kill each other all the time, they surely don't think only gallant thoughts, or but follow their instincts, or anything else as stupid.
Animals are not innocent like are not humans, but some people seem to think so even when there's no reason to besides a cute face or beautiful trusting brown eyes. Bleh. I'm not saying animals deserve to be killed, not at all, only that animals shouldn't be protected because they are innocent.
Animals are not innocent like are not humans, but some people seem to think so even when there's no reason to besides a cute face or beautiful trusting brown eyes. Bleh. I'm not saying animals deserve to be killed, not at all, only that animals shouldn't be protected because they are innocent.
You don't have to tell all that cat stuff, since we all know it. But it's still a fact that people can choose to hunt or just stay at home, whereas animals can't make that decision. Hence, animals are innocent since they don't know what they're doing.
Well, I wouldn't say that... animals may be smarter than you think. I think they know exactly what they're doing... to a certain level.
But they cannot choose to hunt or not to hunt - as humans can.
This really sounds like Shakespeare!
This really sounds like Shakespeare!
If you watch the animal shows on tv you can see for yourself that animals will attack and torture other animals for pleasure and fun. I watched killer whales play with baby seals until the seals were just pulped flesh, lots of the big cats will kill humans or other animals for the fun of it, animal parents will eat their young on a regular basis, etc. No they don't use guns, just claws, fangs, razor-sharp teeth, poison, brute strenght and whatever else they have. But before someone gets mad, here's the thing: I don't like hunting nor do I hunt either but I'm not going in the oceans, forests, etc. without protection of some sort. And that included the world of so-called civilization where you can be killed there too. But I don't see evil in a person that hunts either. There are many resons to hunt and even if I don't like it, I can't choose for them nor threaten them, nor belittle them for what they want? need? require? to do.
I know of a horse that had to be put down because it trampled and killed a child. This horse was not mistreated nor injured nor trained or raised badly. It was just flat out crazy mean. It had always been a difficult animal. Does this mean the horse was evil? Dunno.
My point being: There is good and bad in all creatures and there is not such a thing as being intrinsically innocent because you are a certain species. Unfortunately.
I know of a horse that had to be put down because it trampled and killed a child. This horse was not mistreated nor injured nor trained or raised badly. It was just flat out crazy mean. It had always been a difficult animal. Does this mean the horse was evil? Dunno.
My point being: There is good and bad in all creatures and there is not such a thing as being intrinsically innocent because you are a certain species. Unfortunately.
So its ok for an anti-social person (someone without a conscience) to hunt everything from fuzzy baby rabbits to middle-aged engineers?
Note, anti-social is different from asocial/non-social, which basically means being shy and introverted.
Note, anti-social is different from asocial/non-social, which basically means being shy and introverted.
I think if a man is not part of nature he should stay out of nature. If he feels the need to hunt, use nothing more than a knife, and if he dies, his body can be food for another animal.
I'm especialy against fishing (at least on a large scale). Did you know the ocean bio-mass is down to 1/4 what natures' balance provides? I like domestic farmed food only. Sorry if I think about it too much.
I'm especialy against fishing (at least on a large scale). Did you know the ocean bio-mass is down to 1/4 what natures' balance provides? I like domestic farmed food only. Sorry if I think about it too much.
But domestic farmed food is evil! I guess all intensive agricultural societies should just stop eating, and all of our problems would be solved.
On my father's side of my family, all the men were and some still are hunters. Through childhood, I stared at a Deers Head mounted on the Living Room wall, which I saw *hung up to dry* before they finished with it. Might explain to some that know me, why I am a vegetarian(sp?). My youngest daughters (who has been a vegetarian after a school trip to a slaughterhouse at the age of 8) bf is also an avid hunter. My father owns a very large selection of antique and regular hunting guns.
"Guns and Drinking Do Not Mix Well"
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"Guns and Drinking Do Not Mix Well"
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Animals choose whether to hunt or not be it for food or pleasure. They think carefully and learn from mistakes. They think.
But if they have a conscience or not? I couldn't say. Why do you think they don't have one?
Domesticated animals seem to have a conscience. Ex: My male dog bit one of the new puppies and then started crying right along with the puppy. He was licking and nudging the puppy, howling, and was very upset. Here at a dead run came mama dog, his mama too. (Now mama dog nipped the meter reader when she thought he got too close to her puppies.) However, when she saw what was happening she slowed down, walked up to both dogs, smelled her puppy, and sat down. She seemed to understand that her older son was regretful and feeling sorrowful. Did this mean the older male dog has a conscience? I really don't know but they sure have a lot of what we consider as civilized traits. And the uncivilized ones also.
About the only things I can see wrong with hunting is if it's done for sport or with cruelty or is placing animals on the endangered list. I'm sure there are other reasons I can't think of at the moment. I don't like hunting either, but there are good reasons to hunt, eg., food on the table, overpopulation of this or that animal, dangerous animal in the vicinity, etc.
I don't and won't hunt or kill an animal unless it's dangerous to me or mine. Like the rattler that had my son cornered on the swing. or the mountain lion that ate my dog. Dang him!
But if they have a conscience or not? I couldn't say. Why do you think they don't have one?
Domesticated animals seem to have a conscience. Ex: My male dog bit one of the new puppies and then started crying right along with the puppy. He was licking and nudging the puppy, howling, and was very upset. Here at a dead run came mama dog, his mama too. (Now mama dog nipped the meter reader when she thought he got too close to her puppies.) However, when she saw what was happening she slowed down, walked up to both dogs, smelled her puppy, and sat down. She seemed to understand that her older son was regretful and feeling sorrowful. Did this mean the older male dog has a conscience? I really don't know but they sure have a lot of what we consider as civilized traits. And the uncivilized ones also.
About the only things I can see wrong with hunting is if it's done for sport or with cruelty or is placing animals on the endangered list. I'm sure there are other reasons I can't think of at the moment. I don't like hunting either, but there are good reasons to hunt, eg., food on the table, overpopulation of this or that animal, dangerous animal in the vicinity, etc.
I don't and won't hunt or kill an animal unless it's dangerous to me or mine. Like the rattler that had my son cornered on the swing. or the mountain lion that ate my dog. Dang him!
And oh yeah, For those who do hunt for the sport of it, please give the meat to a needy family or donate it to the zoo in your area.
I hunt for sport, food and fresh air. And if we wouldn't hunt, e.g. hare populations would grow too big, and then they would die horribly. For example, a worm eating away their lungs, and other diseases. And fresh cooked game is delicious. 
"Guns and Drinking Do Not Mix Well"
That's 100% correct. My uncle was accidentally shot by my drunk neighbor. Plus I've been accidentally shot at twice when hunting.
"Guns and Drinking Do Not Mix Well"
That's 100% correct. My uncle was accidentally shot by my drunk neighbor. Plus I've been accidentally shot at twice when hunting.
And oh yeah, For those who do hunt for the sport of it, please give the meat to ... the zoo in your area.
Am I the only one imagining a kid going "Mommy Mommy! Let's go see the dead deer and rabbits!" while walking through a zoo?
Am I the only one imagining a kid going "Mommy Mommy! Let's go see the dead deer and rabbits!" while walking through a zoo?
Animals never feel guilty after having done something. They only feel bad if they're punished for it, since that gives them a bad felling, but they won't go sit in the corner contemplating what would've been if they had'nt done it. Humans do and can. That's part of a conscience. If the animal isn't punished and what he's done gives him a good feeling, he will do it again - whereas most humans won't do such things since their conscience will stop them from doing it.
Oh yuck. But you make me laugh even tho you're strange. Started my day with a chuckle. 
Strange, huh? It's just because you don't know what to say anymore that you start calling me names. 
It's just because you don't know what to say anymore that you start calling me names. Not that good to see with certain board views (it's not visible with Flat, change your Preferences to Threaded or Column-Threaded to see it) but she actually replied to redink1's message, so...
Well, at the risk of sounding..whatever, let's go back to Scratcher's question: How do you know? What or how far can an animal's thoughts and feelings go? Now don't get me wrong cuz I'm not trying to stir up discontent with that question. Your post seems to dictate that you know the answers but what if you're wrong and they can contemplate or feel guilt? Maybe it's their emotions that are not developed. Maybe they are. Can we teach them right or wrong or higher intelligence? Such as that great ape that communicates with people thru a computer? Or the dolphins and other aquatics that swim with people and do great feats of intelligence? Or is it just simple training? I suspect that until we can actually learn how to communicate with "wild" animals, we won't know for a fact how far their intelligence or emotions extends. After all, science says we evolved from a single cell and look how far we've come.
We'll find out then if people want to shoot the animal that converses with him. Unless of course, said animal kept the more savage aspects and wants him for dinner. (Ok redink, here's your chance. Make a belly buster.)
And just to end my oh so logical argument (and to tease Tal a little bit also), I read sommmewhere that we will someday lie down alongside the lion and, boy, am I gonna ask him why that other cat ate my dog. baaaa!
We'll find out then if people want to shoot the animal that converses with him. Unless of course, said animal kept the more savage aspects and wants him for dinner. (Ok redink, here's your chance. Make a belly buster.)
And just to end my oh so logical argument (and to tease Tal a little bit also), I read sommmewhere that we will someday lie down alongside the lion and, boy, am I gonna ask him why that other cat ate my dog. baaaa!
It's not visible who the poster might be replying too. And yep, Simeon's right. I was replying to Mister Redink.
Trust me ,Binirit, I never run out on a really good and interesting argument. Just ask my husband. He taped my mouth one time. Of course he was losing.
Trust me ,Binirit, I never run out on a really good and interesting argument. Just ask my husband. He taped my mouth one time. Of course he was losing.
Well, neither do I but I decided to check it
Well, at least we know for sure that humans got a conscience (wether they use it or not is a different story) and that we don't know for sure about animals. If so, then at least humans can choose to do or not do so something.
But if animals have got a conscience and have feelings and emotions just like humans, it's barbarous to kill them since if they would be exactly the same except for their appearance it would be like killing a human in lion-clothes or whatever animal.
On the other hand, if they don't have any of those, it's still up to us to decide wether it's right or wrong to kill an animal. And then you're back to the human conscience.
But if animals have got a conscience and have feelings and emotions just like humans, it's barbarous to kill them since if they would be exactly the same except for their appearance it would be like killing a human in lion-clothes or whatever animal.
On the other hand, if they don't have any of those, it's still up to us to decide wether it's right or wrong to kill an animal. And then you're back to the human conscience.
Yeah, if I'm in doubt about someone's answer, I will too in the future!
This thread seems to be ruled by the golden background avatars!
Either way, I am against any form of hunting, especially the kind where hunters first breed their pGod to then release it in their own small forest so they and their dogs can go crazy on them. That makes me want to kill them, which wouldn't be hunting, but pure revenge.
Either way, I am against any form of hunting, especially the kind where hunters first breed their pGod to then release it in their own small forest so they and their dogs can go crazy on them. That makes me want to kill them, which wouldn't be hunting, but pure revenge.
But if animals have got a conscience and have feelings and emotions just like humans, it's barbarous to kill them since if they would be exactly the same except for their appearance it would be like killing a human in lion-clothes or whatever animal.
That's really a specious argument. Looks good but smells funny. Let's take a different tack.
On the other hand, if they don't have any of those, it's still up to us to decide wether it's right or wrong to kill an animal. And then you're back to the human conscience
Who's conscience? Yours? Mine? What gives you or me the right to choose for all of mankind? We're not omnipotent. This is something each person should choose with their own moral compass and with their own desires and requirements. And no one else can adamantly say only they themselves are right.
If I could do such a thing, I would probably be against hunting except for conservation purposes or extreme hunger. But I can't.
Hey Binirit, you are a very interesting conversationalist. I admire your convictions. We'll do it again someday no doubt. I had fun and learned some. Rule long and prosper. Work is screaming at me, and next the claws come out.
That's really a specious argument. Looks good but smells funny. Let's take a different tack.
On the other hand, if they don't have any of those, it's still up to us to decide wether it's right or wrong to kill an animal. And then you're back to the human conscience
Who's conscience? Yours? Mine? What gives you or me the right to choose for all of mankind? We're not omnipotent. This is something each person should choose with their own moral compass and with their own desires and requirements. And no one else can adamantly say only they themselves are right.
If I could do such a thing, I would probably be against hunting except for conservation purposes or extreme hunger. But I can't.
Hey Binirit, you are a very interesting conversationalist. I admire your convictions. We'll do it again someday no doubt. I had fun and learned some. Rule long and prosper. Work is screaming at me, and next the claws come out.
HUH? PGod????? I didn't type that...
And yes, I meant prey, lol. I'm gonna check my PC...
And yes, I meant prey, lol. I'm gonna check my PC...
This is something each person should choose with their own moral compass and with their own desires and requirements. And no one else can adamantly say only they themselves are right.
If that would be so, then you would agree on me choosing, with my own moral compass and with my own desire and requirement, to kidnap a 5-year old girl, rape her, torture her, cut her into pieces and eat her - and, o, yeah, sent the eyeballs back to the parents as a nice touch.
Now, since most humans would agree with me that, even if I choose to do so, I am wrong, the same must go for some other issues. We do have something like a moral understanding of what is right and what is wrong. If hunting is such an issue can be debated, but I merely want to state that there is such a thing as a general human conscience that dictates us what is right and what is wrong. So in a way we are omnipotent.
Nice talking to you, see ya later!
If that would be so, then you would agree on me choosing, with my own moral compass and with my own desire and requirement, to kidnap a 5-year old girl, rape her, torture her, cut her into pieces and eat her - and, o, yeah, sent the eyeballs back to the parents as a nice touch.
Now, since most humans would agree with me that, even if I choose to do so, I am wrong, the same must go for some other issues. We do have something like a moral understanding of what is right and what is wrong. If hunting is such an issue can be debated, but I merely want to state that there is such a thing as a general human conscience that dictates us what is right and what is wrong. So in a way we are omnipotent.
Nice talking to you, see ya later!
How did a "What is hunting like in your area" thread turn into an Animal Rights debate?
"If that would be so, then you would agree on me choosing, with my own moral compass and with my own desire and requirement, to kidnap a 5-year old girl, rape her, torture her, cut her into pieces and eat her - and, o, yeah, sent the eyeballs back to the parents as a nice touch."
We are talking about hunting, are we not?
NOT killing and mutilating little girls.
You choose what's right for you and I'll choose what's right for me and never the twain shall meet. What you think of as morally right could be garbage for someone else's moral compass. I'm still talking only about hunting here.
But now I'm done. Have a good evening.
We are talking about hunting, are we not?
NOT killing and mutilating little girls.
You choose what's right for you and I'll choose what's right for me and never the twain shall meet. What you think of as morally right could be garbage for someone else's moral compass. I'm still talking only about hunting here.
But now I'm done. Have a good evening.
I thought you were talking in general and then I would have to disagree - strongly.
As far as hunting goes... If I were starving and I could hunt so I'd survive, I would do it. But I'd probably end up eating plants and turnips!
But hunting for fun... nah. I don't see how you could enjoy killing something if the only reason for the kill is to kill.
As far as hunting goes... If I were starving and I could hunt so I'd survive, I would do it. But I'd probably end up eating plants and turnips!
But hunting for fun... nah. I don't see how you could enjoy killing something if the only reason for the kill is to kill.
How did a "What is hunting like in your area" thread turn into an Animal Rights debate?
O, every once in a while we have that sort of thing. Just open a thread with 'animal' in it, and you'll get this kind of discussions!
We could have a debate about headless ducks too.
O, every once in a while we have that sort of thing. Just open a thread with 'animal' in it, and you'll get this kind of discussions!
We could have a debate about headless ducks too.
yeah lets talk about headless ducks. i dont get y the ducks r even THERE (xcept 4 those mad townsppls worshipping the geese/ducks/w.e they r) i mean, its fun and all just watching them run atound headless but wuts the point of them?
Well, what's the point of the pigs? Or the trees? Just decoration.
I don't think Blackfire actually meant why are ducks, pigs, trees, etc in the game. We all know they are there for filling out the game-look. S/He might have meant: Why even be able to kill them in the first place? They run around spouting blood everywhere. Why did Seth want to put behead-able ducks everywhere in all of the game? What do they contribute to the game? They don't give money, clues, etc so why? Dunno. Maybe a duck pecked him one time. When he's interviewed maybe someone can ask him. I've kind of wondered myself. I just ignored them for the most part.
they made me laugh my ass off the first time I saw it. how's that for purpose?
That'll work. I saw nothing humorous but others might. That's what makes the world go around.
I thought gravity accomplished that.
