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I meant that after they have been proved they are useless.
No they aren't. Other people might want to think about why people thought that it was true, while it was false, which is also part of trying to evaluate the nature of reality/existence.
The part "not my brain gone wrong" indicates that you think I thought that.
I never said I didn't think you thought that. I just said I never said it.
Okay, that one was poor, and not to be taken seriously.
While you might not have directly said, nor meant to say, nor ever thought about the whole idea of ever saying, nor ever thought about the whole idea of thinking about my brain going wrong, it made that impact on me. You say complex numbers aren't rational (your def), I think there is a perfectly valid reason for them to exist. That's almost (not entirely) like saying I'm not rational, while I have yet to see any proof that they cannot exist. Of course there are no real numbers (math def) that, when squared, are -1. That's the whole point of complex numbers anyway: providing a facility we hadn't had yet. But saying I'm not rational is like saying my brain doesn't think rational. And imho (in my humble opinion), my brain is going wrong when it doesn't think rational.
And complex numbers are logical, just not in the system you've been taught. You nead to broaden your mind away from only accepting elementary algebra to be able to see the logic. Of course, only if you want. See my comment on your tutor somewhere else, which we have already discussed about.
As long as you accept that complex numbers can be logical in a logical system that you haven't been taught, I'm happy, as it's already better than a blunt "they're not logical" approach.
LATE ADDITION: I've already done a step towards you by accepting that in the math you've been taught complex numbers aren't logical. "math you've been taught" not meant as a negative term, although it might sound like one. It has helped me to see things from your point of view. I'm deep into advanced math everyday, so I sometimes lose track of that non-math people might not have heard of things like complex numbers. Or have heard of them, but don't know how to use them. Or in general don't use them how I do. I find it great that you know of complex numbers already, and that you know one of their uses (Solving x^2 + 1 = 0). I just forgot that most people don't see any way to fit this into real life, and put them aside as 'some freaky mathematical concept of which I don't see any way to fit it into real life'
I hope you accept my views as much as I accept your views. With your information and mathematical knowledge of the matter, your view is correct. With my information and mathematical knowledge of the matter, my view is correct.
No they aren't. Other people might want to think about why people thought that it was true, while it was false, which is also part of trying to evaluate the nature of reality/existence.
The part "not my brain gone wrong" indicates that you think I thought that.
I never said I didn't think you thought that. I just said I never said it.
Okay, that one was poor, and not to be taken seriously.
While you might not have directly said, nor meant to say, nor ever thought about the whole idea of ever saying, nor ever thought about the whole idea of thinking about my brain going wrong, it made that impact on me. You say complex numbers aren't rational (your def), I think there is a perfectly valid reason for them to exist. That's almost (not entirely) like saying I'm not rational, while I have yet to see any proof that they cannot exist. Of course there are no real numbers (math def) that, when squared, are -1. That's the whole point of complex numbers anyway: providing a facility we hadn't had yet. But saying I'm not rational is like saying my brain doesn't think rational. And imho (in my humble opinion), my brain is going wrong when it doesn't think rational.
And complex numbers are logical, just not in the system you've been taught. You nead to broaden your mind away from only accepting elementary algebra to be able to see the logic. Of course, only if you want. See my comment on your tutor somewhere else, which we have already discussed about.
As long as you accept that complex numbers can be logical in a logical system that you haven't been taught, I'm happy, as it's already better than a blunt "they're not logical" approach.
LATE ADDITION: I've already done a step towards you by accepting that in the math you've been taught complex numbers aren't logical. "math you've been taught" not meant as a negative term, although it might sound like one. It has helped me to see things from your point of view. I'm deep into advanced math everyday, so I sometimes lose track of that non-math people might not have heard of things like complex numbers. Or have heard of them, but don't know how to use them. Or in general don't use them how I do. I find it great that you know of complex numbers already, and that you know one of their uses (Solving x^2 + 1 = 0). I just forgot that most people don't see any way to fit this into real life, and put them aside as 'some freaky mathematical concept of which I don't see any way to fit it into real life'
I hope you accept my views as much as I accept your views. With your information and mathematical knowledge of the matter, your view is correct. With my information and mathematical knowledge of the matter, my view is correct.
