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What is Palladium:

A super AI system that uses a super advanced security system:

I found this at the site:

Microsoft Palladium

@ Articles -> Security Oct 17 2002 - 23:42 ESTdiogo86 writes: Palladium: A system based on hardware and software that will increase the security of your computer, disabling the functioning of virus, trojans and worms - besides hindering the illegal musics and film's copy and creating safe files.

The Palladium is the Microsoft's version under the rules and implementation of TCPA (Trusted Computing Platform Alliance) for the development of a secure operational system. The TCPA is a organization founded in 1999 by Compaq, HP, IBM, Intel, AMD and Microsoft and currently it has got more than 170 companies partners - like 3COM, Adobe, Dell, Gateway, Hitachi, Iomega, Motorola, NEC, Novell, nVidia, Philips, Samsung, Siemens, Symantec, Toshiba and a lot more. The main purpose of TCPA is the development of products and services that will allow a bigger security on the use of computer. To do this some rules were made. So the partners can make products that will be homologated by the entity.

So, imagine a system that:

- disables virus, trojans and worms works

- only allows the execution of certified programs, disabling the functioning of unkown programs ou pirate versions

- can creates files that only can be readden one time and after that it will delete itself

- can creates files that only can be readden by a specified person (if this file will be sent by deceit to another one it could not be opened and will be able also to delete itself)

- deny the illegal creation of media files (MP3 / DivX)

That is what a OS-TCPA will do.

Why has it been created?

Because the current computers security (soft and hardware) is low. Using complex criptography systems and protection by hardware and software, a OS (of any maker) based on TCPA will allow a very bigger security, besides it allows to user to control the access and the transfer information that come in and out of his computer by a better way that it's done today.

How will it work?

The mother-boards will come with the Fritz Chip that will allow the OS-TCPA functioning. Besides this the BIOS of all hardware must to agree with the TCPA rules to works with the OS. Other hardwares like notebooks and handhels will have to got a version of the chip too. It's important to say that the user will can disable the SO-TCPA always it was necessary, but some system functions will be disable too.

What's the diference of a OS-TCPA and the current OS like Windows XP ?!?

Job OS-TCPA non OS-TCPA

Programs works Programs with no certification will be some functions disabled Any program can be installed and be ran

Access to created files Only specified users will read the files Any one can read them

Inconoming e-mail with virus The virus will not affect the system The virus will

Can't I install the program I want on the OS-TCPA??

Not all programs can be installed: programs with simple works can, but more hard and complex software only can be used with the certification, and it will be got by the Internet likes the WinXP activation.

If I don't want to use a OS-TCPA...

You will not able to run TCPA sofwares. For example, if the Adobe makes the Photoshop X under TCPA and your OS is not, you can't run it.

So I can't listen to my MP3 and watch my videos?

Only if it was got by a legal way. Softwares like Kazaa you will not use anymore! Say good bye to everything illegal in your PC.

The legitimate

Every attemp to crack, date / time change and another ways to trick the OS-TCPA will be unefficacious 'cos there will are too many protect layers in the OS-TCPA (using SHA-1, HMAC, RNG, RSA 2048bits criptography, 3DES and AES). The OS-TCPA must to be connected on Internet to work with your full capacity: besides the computer's date need to be constantly updated (the OS-TCPA will do it automaticly), new updates and certifications will be got automaticly by internet without no user cares.

Some softwares in OS-TCPA will demand the computer to connect to web while certain periods to continue workin on. Example: A software can leaves of works if on last 7 days you didn't connect on Internet any time (so its certification has expired). So when you connect on internet, this software certification will be updated and it will come back to works for the next 7 days...

What is different on the files made by a OS-TCPA?

You will have more control under you files. Example: you can make a Excel plan that will only be seen by a person on the next 15 day, or you can make a file that will only be readden one time and them it will delete itself (deleted automaticly and will not be possible tu rescue it). The files made by a OS-TCPA will have extra functions for that it can be managed by the OS-TCPA.

The OS-TCPA will allow you to send an e-mail to someone with informations that can't be sent to any one else, so who receives this e-mail will not be able to forward it.

What about the laws??

With the TCPA working, any attemp to trick the system will be analized as a violation of DMCA (Digital Milenium Copyright Act - a law aproved that foresee a fine of US$ 500.000 and 5 years on prison for who tries to trick any protection system) and/or of recent-approved law "Fritz Holling Bill S. 2048" that turns illegal the computers sell (or mother-boards) without the Fritz Chip.

With these laws, a cracker that make a program to trick the TCPA, a computers sailer that don't have the Fritz Chip and a developer that don't use TCPA but makes softwares that can read, modify or save files on a TCPA format will have the same punishment.

With the Fritz Hollings Bill S. 2048 law, the code used by the proctetion system of OS (anyone) must to be open-source, allowing its reads by anyone.

When Palladium will be launched?

The tests will start at 2003.

MORE INFORMATION ABOUT TCPA / PALLADIUM:

The software's archtectury with TCPA will be different of what is used today.

You will can install any OS you want on your computer with the Fritz Chip (though the OS that don't follow the TCPA especifications won't utilize the advantages of security).

There will be three access level to TCPA: Priviled Access (only softwares developed by members of TCPA will have this), Normal Access (the computer's user will have this), Minimun Access (for aplications that don't follow the TCPA rules).

Software's developers will must to get certifications for their programs to this works correctly on OS-TCPA (though it will only need to certificate their softwares if they use determined system functions). Applets and Drivers won't need be certificated by TCPA 'cos it won't have permission to do something that can damage the OS.

CPU will have extentions (like 3DNow! of AMD) and new instructions in order to OS-TCPA works correctly.

At a OS-TCPA, the information that be transfered by the keyboard to the computer and by the VGA to the monitor will can be criptgraphied to higher the security.

The OS-TCPA will allow a document can't be opened in another machine ou in another OS.

The OS-TCPA will allow the criation of a new kind of e-commerce: the rent of software. The user would pay to use a software for a period. After that it will unninstall automaticly.

The Microsoft has patented the idea of a operational system that control the copyright of audio and video.

LINKS:

- Intel (flash animation about Trusted Computing using TCPA)

- TCPA

- Fritz Hollings Bill Law S. 2048 type S.2048 at the Bill Number field)

- Microsoft Palladium FAQ

- Microsoft explanation about the Palladium works

The Palladium is a high complex system and we have no much information about this.

With more info I will write a new one.

by diogo86 ;set. diogo86@icqmail.com

i would be scared, except that every previous attempt of microsoft's to do something like this has never worked before.

there will allways be ways to create illegal programs, and what's more, what happens when people run linux or another OS on these new pieces of hardware?

unless microsoft tread VERY carefully on this one, they will soon be facing another court suit, because as i read it, this is yet another manopolising strategy. or am i taking it too far? what do you think?

I think all the companies in it are affraid

of the growing number of free programs like

Blender, Zsnes, Mame, Winamp, and the MP3, DivX.

In the future, all products, like

Dink Smallwood, will be released free after

some years. This is the correct way.

Well, untill some hackers, hack it so it works.

--WC

: Well, untill some hackers, hack it so it works.

: -WC

aha ahahah ha, good point WC, people will just slowly hack their way into anything that microsoft gives them, them slowly making it very easy to get the fixes to stop the intense security, then everything will be like it was before all of this. i completely agree that this should never see the light of day

Hacking doesnt work:

there will are too many protect layers in the OS-TCPA (using SHA-1, HMAC, RNG, RSA 2048bits criptography, 3DES and AES).

Note: 2048bits RSA protection, the current bits used for passwords everywhere are 64bits or sometimes 128bits

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/tcpa-faq.html

: Hacking doesnt work:

: there will are too many protect layers in the OS-TCPA (using SHA-1, HMAC, RNG, RSA 2048bits criptography, 3DES and AES).

: Note: 2048bits RSA protection, the current bits used for passwords everywhere are 64bits or sometimes 128bits

i still don't think this will eventuate. I mean, i can't see microsoft issuing licences to linux, unix, freebsd, not to mention freeware programs. I also do think that this will (IF it happens) be hacked. basically because of microsofts apalling coding standards. I mean, look at the number of bugs in windows 9x, if they keep this level of workmanship up, i doubt this will work as well as it is being advertised.

also, what incentive is thee for the hardware manufacturers? cash? i doubt it. i think, if i were a motherboard manufacturer dude, I'd rather have the sales of the open source community than a payout from mcrosoft. (then again, maybe I'm just biased)

anyway, what a crok of s**t.

: : Hacking doesnt work:

: : there will are too many protect layers in the OS-TCPA (using SHA-1, HMAC, RNG, RSA 2048bits criptography, 3DES and AES).

: : Note: 2048bits RSA protection, the current bits used for passwords everywhere are 64bits or sometimes 128bits

: i still don't think this will eventuate. I mean, i can't see microsoft issuing licences to linux, unix, freebsd, not to mention freeware programs. I also do think that this will (IF it happens) be hacked. basically because of microsofts apalling coding standards. I mean, look at the number of bugs in windows 9x, if they keep this level of workmanship up, i doubt this will work as well as it is being advertised.

: also, what incentive is thee for the hardware manufacturers? cash? i doubt it. i think, if i were a motherboard manufacturer dude, I'd rather have the sales of the open source community than a payout from mcrosoft. (then again, maybe I'm just biased)

: anyway, what a crok of s**t.

If this starts working, and I mean, working, as that I can't use any software without buying it ( ), then I'll change to some open source OS with free software and stuff instead... hopefully I won't have to.. cause I have started to like Windows, ever since XP came.

mmm...

Motherboard manufactures are forced to use the Fritz chip, if they dont they need to pay $500,000 for every mobo with the chip.

So 1 thing. You will always have the Fritz chip. You can deactivate the security, but the chip will auto. delete all illegal files. Without warning you.

Removing the chip will be reported to the police when you turn on your pc, the police has a "backdoor" in your pc, they are scanning your pc every 10 minutes, well the fritz chip does that and if you removed it, longhorn xp ( the new os that uses palladium ) will send a message to the police, you cant block the message, because when the message is sent, your pc will shut down in 0.01 seconds.

So you press the power button:

2. message is sent

3. auto shutdown

However, I heard that "Green Hacker" is trying to beat M$ with the law of privacy :S

He hasnt got the money to beat M$.

Programms will be changed so that they can ONLY work with the FRITZ chip enabled. So if you deactivate the security you cannot use those programms and the police will scan your hd faster.

Bill gates thinks he can do everything, but Im sure he will be shot someday ;D

: i would be scared, except that every previous attempt of microsoft's to do something like this has never worked before.

: there will allways be ways to create illegal programs, and what's more, what happens when people run linux or another OS on these new pieces of hardware?

It will be considered as 'non safe' software and therefor banned. Heck, HP already started to modidy Linux to TCPA.

: However, I heard that "Green Hacker" is trying to beat M$ with the law of privacy :S

: He hasnt got the money to beat M$.

Yes, a cryptohacker named Lucky Green made an application for a patent on Palladium. Changes are he will be succesfull with that, since TCPA's bussiness objectives are to prevent use of unlicensend software, DRM: prevent CD ripping and DivX creation & enable information flow control and such, and since MS says that Palladium has nothing to do with DRM, they have only two choices: either confess it was a big PR lie, or pay license fees to Lucky Green.

: Hacking doesnt work:

: there will are too many protect layers in the OS-TCPA (using SHA-1, HMAC, RNG, RSA 2048bits criptography, 3DES and AES).

: Note: 2048bits RSA protection, the current bits used for passwords everywhere are 64bits or sometimes 128bits

Interesting, then it won't be exportable. What does the international version look like?

: mmm...

: Motherboard manufactures are forced to use the Fritz chip, if they dont they need to pay $500,000 for every mobo with the chip.

by whome? i seripously doubt that gigabyte et al are going to take this sitting down...

oh yeah, and changing to open source may not work, because surely this is platform independant? In other words, this may as well be a microsoft attack against the open source world.

: mmm...

: Motherboard manufactures are forced to use the Fritz chip, if they dont they need to pay $500,000 for every mobo with the chip.

: So 1 thing. You will always have the Fritz chip. You can deactivate the security, but the chip will auto. delete all illegal files. Without warning you.

: Removing the chip will be reported to the police when you turn on your pc, the police has a "backdoor" in your pc, they are scanning your pc every 10 minutes, well the fritz chip does that and if you removed it, longhorn xp ( the new os that uses palladium ) will send a message to the police, you cant block the message, because when the message is sent, your pc will shut down in 0.01 seconds.

: So you press the power button:

: 2. message is sent

: 3. auto shutdown

: However, I heard that "Green Hacker" is trying to beat M$ with the law of privacy :S

: He hasnt got the money to beat M$.

: Programms will be changed so that they can ONLY work with the FRITZ chip enabled. So if you deactivate the security you cannot use those programms and the police will scan your hd faster.

: Bill gates thinks he can do everything, but Im sure he will be shot someday ;D

Hmm... this system will only work in the US. I was at that www.stoppalladium.org, and read something about this system breaking the constitution of every European country. So.. it can't possibly work here in Europe, unless they modify it or something.

Then what about just using OLD computers with OLD Linuxes (or Windowses(eseseses... )) and.. ehrmm.. OLD software?

They cannot connect/communicate with other palladium computers. So if the isps are going to use palladium, you cannot connect to them, so no internet for OLD computers. Kazaa/winmx/morphieus and others are "Spam" and are deleted by the fritz chip. You can keep your OLD computers. But it doesnt help a thing. However, I think that some people are gonna organize illegal networks. And when they are traced, $500,000 fine, because they dont use a fritz chip on the motherboard.

I think microsoft is gone too far with the "palladium". And they are thinking of a better chip right now. The tests will start in 2003...

:S

Grrrrr... Maybe even the ISP's would join that stupid project and require NEW computers for internet to work. >

And maybe the most important web servers would require new computers aswell. :-|

Yeah, let's hope Bill Gates gets shot. >

: Yeah, let's hope Bill Gates gets shot. >

How much do you offer ???

>

: : Yeah, let's hope Bill Gates gets shot. >

: How much do you offer ???

: >

I'd kill him for free

woah, the satisfaction...