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@Skurn:
since I still don't have a clue where you are
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Balkan, ex Yugoslavia
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fatass suits with loaded wallets decide where this country goes
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This is true. The world functions like that. People with money usually have da power (mind that being rich, and being powerful is not the same thing, but it's mixed in most cases). This is how
it always was, and how it should be. Think about it. The whole world revolves around the rich and powerful. Doesn't
matter how they earned their fortune. The downside is, that it also revolves around people who inherited the cash. But you can't blame them for it.
This alone is actually a really interesting subject. My friend blown away my moral values and slapped some sense in me one night when we disscused this. If you want to hear more, type "$$$, power, moar". It would be a really long post though. Im not sure if I would be willing to write it... oh well
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losing a battle for basic rights means the system is broken
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We have fabulous bars. Been there, seen that. Most of us don't want that on the street (public makeout). They can do whatever they want in fabulous bar. But, please, off the streets. We don't want it. It's kinda like opinion towards nudists. Nothing wrong with it, but keep it on the nudist beach. Which brings me to theory that clothes are a lie, especialy so in a crowded public transportation.
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The system is same everywhere, only the circumstances are different. Im not saying
fabulouss here suffer from some serious discrimination, you can get beaten up for various dumb reasons. As I said above, we see LGBT as nudists. You wanna parade? Ok, but it doesn't need to be in center of a city. We don't really care, and it's not that important, and no one normal will fire you, or beat you because you're fabulous.
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what's that saying? that lying over and over again doesn't make the lie true or whatever?
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Most people are ducking dumb, and will believe anything. I have my own opinions, but I don't force it on others. I can show a path to Neo, but Neo has to walk the path himself . Joking aside, this is true. Man can like, or dislike. Forcing him to believe or do something is a really bad thing, BUT (and here comes out my dark side) manipulating him to believe or do something is perfectly okay. I know this manipulation sounds bad, but no one can make decidions for you, instead of you, and if you're a victim of manipulation, it's entirely your fault.
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so you're alright with other, harmful, values being all over the world just because its their values
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I am actually. Try removing cast system from India. It sounds dumb here, but for them, it's a way of life. Who am I to judge, and say Im right? When they collectively decide to change, they will. If you're on of those in minority to oppose it, than prepare to face the consequences. So, fight or take a flight. In africa, people walk naked freely. In my country you would be jailed for a night and fined. In Saudi arabia, you would probably be stoned (im not talking about cannabis here ).
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"people are not equal because fear, money, greed, and propaganda. what you're saying is that people are inherently not equal from the moment they exist. and while true, it's because of the above, not just simply because of that different trait. if those above things i listed were fixed, those traits wouldn't matter/matter nearly as much."
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Uhm, retype the statement above while picturing Sigmund Freud dressed as a hula dancer and playing Toccata and Fugue on ukulele.
(seriously, please explain this => 'what you're saying is that people are inherently not equal from the moment they exist')
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I'm reading Shevek's posts now. I can't menage both
since I still don't have a clue where you are
>
Balkan, ex Yugoslavia
__________________
fatass suits with loaded wallets decide where this country goes
>
This is true. The world functions like that. People with money usually have da power (mind that being rich, and being powerful is not the same thing, but it's mixed in most cases). This is how
it always was, and how it should be. Think about it. The whole world revolves around the rich and powerful. Doesn't
matter how they earned their fortune. The downside is, that it also revolves around people who inherited the cash. But you can't blame them for it.
This alone is actually a really interesting subject. My friend blown away my moral values and slapped some sense in me one night when we disscused this. If you want to hear more, type "$$$, power, moar". It would be a really long post though. Im not sure if I would be willing to write it... oh well
__________________
losing a battle for basic rights means the system is broken
>
1.
We have fabulous bars. Been there, seen that. Most of us don't want that on the street (public makeout). They can do whatever they want in fabulous bar. But, please, off the streets. We don't want it. It's kinda like opinion towards nudists. Nothing wrong with it, but keep it on the nudist beach. Which brings me to theory that clothes are a lie, especialy so in a crowded public transportation.
2.
The system is same everywhere, only the circumstances are different. Im not saying
fabulouss here suffer from some serious discrimination, you can get beaten up for various dumb reasons. As I said above, we see LGBT as nudists. You wanna parade? Ok, but it doesn't need to be in center of a city. We don't really care, and it's not that important, and no one normal will fire you, or beat you because you're fabulous.
_________________
what's that saying? that lying over and over again doesn't make the lie true or whatever?
>
Most people are ducking dumb, and will believe anything. I have my own opinions, but I don't force it on others. I can show a path to Neo, but Neo has to walk the path himself
. Joking aside, this is true. Man can like, or dislike. Forcing him to believe or do something is a really bad thing, BUT (and here comes out my dark side) manipulating him to believe or do something is perfectly okay. I know this manipulation sounds bad, but no one can make decidions for you, instead of you, and if you're a victim of manipulation, it's entirely your fault._________________
so you're alright with other, harmful, values being all over the world just because its their values
>
I am actually. Try removing cast system from India. It sounds dumb here, but for them, it's a way of life. Who am I to judge, and say Im right? When they collectively decide to change, they will. If you're on of those in minority to oppose it, than prepare to face the consequences. So, fight or take a flight. In africa, people walk naked freely. In my country you would be jailed for a night and fined. In Saudi arabia, you would probably be stoned (im not talking about cannabis here
).________________
"people are not equal because fear, money, greed, and propaganda. what you're saying is that people are inherently not equal from the moment they exist. and while true, it's because of the above, not just simply because of that different trait. if those above things i listed were fixed, those traits wouldn't matter/matter nearly as much."
>
Uhm, retype the statement above while picturing Sigmund Freud dressed as a hula dancer and playing Toccata and Fugue on ukulele.
(seriously, please explain this => 'what you're saying is that people are inherently not equal from the moment they exist')
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I'm reading Shevek's posts now. I can't menage both
