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Starting from Skyrim. Valve gets 75% of profit while you get only 25%.

Don't agree with it and you post it at Steam.

You will get a 1 week ban

Even now some modders started to leave the modding community.

Where is your "Lord and Savior" Gaben now?

If you seen one of my past threads, you may notice how I said things like: "I hate Steam" and "Steam is full of sh1t". So.. I'm with you, brother!!

This Why I try to stay away from steam.

Pay for mods.
It's bad enough there DLC now there simple mods that cost money.

That's not why you stay away from Steam you ducking moron. This is a brand new thing. Did you see the future or something?

Not trying to defend Steam or anything. Valve sucks ass. They really do. And this new system of theirs is the worst thing they've pulled and the worst thing to happen in the industry since Microsoft started making consoles.

That's not why you stay away from Steam you ducking moron.

Do not call me a moron you rude little sh!t.

This is a brand new thing. Did you see the future or something?


No but I predicted it Knowing from Valves past actions like removing to ability to lend,borrow and trade in games.
This is why I was against Redink1 a linking our DN accounts to steam, What'a next pay for D-mods?

Gabe Newell is just bad news straight up.

You didn't predict anything. Your hate for Steam has always been very vague. Looks like to me you're just using this to pretend you knew all along.

This isn't something I don't think people saw coming. I mean, these are mods. Since Doom, mods have been free and for the community as a fun project. Who would've ever thought you could make money from it (not that you can get any decent pay from Steam)?

There's no way you predicted it from the ability to lend, borrow, and trade games. First of all, you could never lend or borrow a game from another user. The trade ban is only for certain regions like Russia who are having a financial weird-duck, so it was put in place to prevent Russians from buying up a huge stock easily and trading them around. Not really an issue. It will probably be lifted or changed somewhat whenever Russia's currency isn't worth a million planets.

But aside from that, yes. Pay for mods is very bad. A very prominent modder, Chesko, has bought into this scam and the more prominent a user, the more successful this will be for Valve. Hopefully Chesko will see how bad this is along with whoever else is stupid enough to fall for this trick.

GABE IS A FATASS WHO KNOWS HOW TO DO BUSINESS! The power is in the wrong hands!!

Gabe certainly doesn't know how to do business if this crap was allowed to slide.

This has only been negative for the community aside from a few people who are somehow ignorant enough to play the "how dare they make money"-type cards.

But can you imagine the copyright troubles this will incur? Especially since the US is obsessed with copyright and smashing anyone who uses even a tiny piece of copyrighted material?

But can you imagine the copyright troubles this will incur? Especially since the US is obsessed with copyright and smashing anyone who uses even a tiny piece of copyrighted material?

First of all, if you're a modder, you're just a little shit for Gaben, and no matter what you do, he will ALWAYS win the case.

Second of all, Gaben swims in money, so he doesn;t give one single drop of sh1t if you sue him.

No, no. I mean other companies against Valve and the modders.

There's already plenty of copyrighted stuff in mods and paid mods such as weapons from other games (which could easily have just literally been ripped from the source game).

On top of that, people are already putting other people's mods up on Steam for a price without permission which may not lead to lawsuits like my previous point, but there will be complaints. Lots of them.

Well...more. There's already lots. Gaben and plenty of users will give a shit if some shitbag company sees their stuff in a mod and aims to destroy Steam. But then again, looks like Valve's ultimate goal is to destroy PC gaming. I can't imagine what else except massive greed, but they had to have considered these things unless their greed is truly so blind.

You make such a good point, I think Steam is ACTUALLY eating their own sh1t!

Nice shitpile. I don't see anything wrong with the idea of paid mods, but 75% profit for the corporate machine, 25% for the modders? Oh, the nerve of those duckers! It's the ultimatum game, except the second person did 90% of the work to earn the money.

That Chesko guy's acted like an asshole, too. If you suddenly decide to do something unprecedented such as charging for a mod, and the mod happens to depend on other, free mods to run properly, the absolute least you should do would be to ask the other authors for permission.

I saw another one where some douche used assets from another modder and the mod was priced. The guy whose assets were stolen and commercialized responded. Some fishing thing or something.

Simply put, nothing good can come out of this system and it needs to go.

More simply put, the only problem is the fact the Steam is making money off mods of other people.
If the modder got 100% of the profit(as he should get!!) then Gaben wouldn't have any problems.If someone would get sued, it would be the modder and ONLY the modder, and Gaben wouldn't have anything to do with anything. But because steam AND the modder are making money of copyrighted mods, then Gaben is in trouble too.

Looks like Tripwire does not like this idea at all, they have decided to update their EULA for Killing Floor 2. Now if you make a mod for KF2, it MUST be labeled as free.

Looks like Tripwire does not like this idea at all, they have decided to update their EULA for Killing Floor 2. Now if you make a mod for KF2, it MUST be labeled as free.


Well that was unexpected....

As I said before, it's not just the fact that Valve takes a massive chunk of the profit.

Let's build a scenario. Say the Ultima Weapon from whatever Final Fantasy game is ripped straight from the original game's assets and made compatible with Skyrim. (it's most likely been done in that exact way, but let's keep going).

Now, the mod was put up on Nexus for free. No problems there. A simple, fun weapon to swing around. As it should be.

Now, someone comes along and downloads that mod. They then proceed to upload it to the Steam Workshop and slap a 99 cent fee to it under the delusion that they will earn money.

Now we've got a weapon being sold, Square probably doesn't know about it, and the original guy who made the free mod doesn't either. Now someone points the free mod maker to the shit that was pulled on Steam. He can't really get that thing off of there now. He can post and post all he wants, but picture a scenario where the paid mod uploader deletes all his comments or even blocks him. Now that's just wonderful.

What if Square gets notice of it? They may not give a shit too much until that mod becomes somewhat popular. Now, oh shit. Valve's just made a couple hundred dollars off a sword they didn't made and neither did the guy selling it.

Let's make it more ducked up. The mod requires Skyrim Script Extender so it follows the original game's system of dealing more damage the higher the character's HP is. If you don't like that, you can go into the weapon's own menu and turn it off.

But wait, now the guys who made the Script Extender are having their code monetized without their permission.

It just opens up a web of duck! Even if Valve doesn't take a cut, someone's going to take a profit off of things like this.

Or put up 99 dollar Horse dick mods which is a joke, but what if someone buys it?

Even if a mod is 100% original assets and nothing was taken from anyone else, how will you know? Is Valve going to download every mod in existence and compare the files? Will they design a system to compare the content like YouTube's Content ID? Paid mods just shouldn't exist. DLC shouldn't either - that stuff should be available to begin with if you bought the ducking game - but at least all that stuff is made by the original company, so there's no issue like I described above.

^Skurn knows the sh1t.

Gaben on Reddit

I understand it is all good intentions from Valve, but they are doing it in a greedy, incorrect way. If modders got more profit, then I'd support it some more. Even if Valve does a great job hosting the content, 75% is loco. Let's hope this does hurt the modding community and modding in general so Valve will reconsider and drop the project before it reaches other games. Mods should be free, add a donation button instead of this farse. Sub-par customer support, Greenlight and now this, is what Valve should fix with Steam right now.

I can only imagine the terror, people ripping off other mod authors creations and putting them up for sale. Sign up here.

From the discussions:

"Gabe, what is Valve doing to address the issues of people ripping mods from places like Nexus and putting them up on the Steam Workshop, even though they didn't make the mod?"

Gabe: "This is a straight-forward problem. Between ours and the community's policing, I'm confident that the authors will have control over their creations, not someone trying to rip them off." It's heavily downvoted.

I encourage everyone here to never buy anything from the mod store as it is now.

Gaben on Reddit

From what I read, it's something like: Sorry I shot you in the head, here's a soda.

GABEN IS GETTING OLD!

Gabe: "This is a straight-forward problem. Between ours and the community's policing, I'm confident that the authors will have control over their creations, not someone trying to rip them off." It's heavily downvoted.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Gaben is way the duck out of touch with reality. It's not as simple as that. "Have control over their creations."

WHAT!?

He's full of shit too:

Some guy: "Isn't the 75% cut seen as a bit high?"

Dirtbag: The pay-outs are set by the owner of the game that is being modded.

Another guy: "Is 25% profit a normal amount for content creators in comparable situations? I see a lot of people complaining about the cut Valve and Bethesda receive."

Dirtbag: Each game sets its own share.

WRONG! Apparently the truth is that Valve takes a 30% cut of the profit, which is huge by itself, and the game developer takes another cut on top of that. The content creator gets the scraps. Nice attempt at shifting all the blame on Bethesda.

And his Batman-like 'Just flash me the light, I'll fix your problem right now!' attitude in that thread? It's just such an obvious, dishonest PR stunt at damage control. If he really was like that Steam wouldn't have been having problems for years.

Makes me wonder how big of an asshole Batman would be in real life.

Here's some gold I find from Gabe.

You cannot be serious. This ducker claims that it's costing them a million dollars to respond to emails and that the profit from mods isn't enough.

Ok, so what's the problem? Exactly. The mods. He's a horrible businessman and a terrible liar.

Someone later even pointed out that they can't be responding to these emails to the point where it's costing them a million ducking dollars because their customer service is on par with Comcast. And well...let's be real here. That's probably true.

Then he ends it with "you need a better Valve is evil hypothesis.

Well there you go right there. That very sentence and the fact that Gabe's contradicting himself where he feels it might be convenient for his argument is enough hypothesis. It feels stupid to call them evil since evil really doesn't exist and morals and actions are subjective in how you look at them, but for duck's sake. This is such blatant greed.

Plus, 10,000 in profits? Are people really this ducking stupid? They're actually falling for this which is a very bad sign. At least Gabe's comment may prove that this little stunt of theirs is losing them much more cash than they're gaining so maybe they'll see how stupid they're being and pull out of the whole operation.

Or maybe he's full of shit and pretending that people are truly responding. Hopefully, they're losing money on this. They're certainly losing reputation which should be worse to them since they were once known as the "hero of the PC master race" or some bullshit and that's going to lose them more money in the long run to lose reputation but holy hell.

Reputation is harder to earn than money for sure, especially for shitty corporate abominations like this.

EDIT: There was another comment from Gabe where he called himself the Sand King or something. I don't remember the comment he was responding to, but I looked it up. It's a character from Dota 2 that injects his enemies in poison and blows them up causing area of effect damage. What a perfect analogy to what Gabe's doing to games right now, the market, and economy in general. The more bullshit Valve pulls, the closer we get to the next crash which is unlikely considering you don't need Steam or Gog or Gamestop to sell your games as you can just sell them straight from your own sight or set up a little shop somewhere if you want, but that's still going to be damaging if it happens.

Wow, $10K already, in the middle of the outrage? From a game released in 2011? If true, that's sadly not a sign of failure, that's the sign of a goldmine. Gabe would know this better than anyone, he's just a stupidly greedy liar.

At the end of the day, though, what pisses me the most about this are the public, not the corporate flaying people for everything they can. The people who buy the bullshit and make it a success, and the spineless modders that accept the 25% cut. It's still money, it's more than I would have made otherwise! Yes, no shit. It's totally worth it, as long as you have absolutely no dignity. Also if you don't mind setting a precedent. Take it in the ass today, you'll be taking it in the ass tomorrow, too.

Team up, boycott the store and demand a higher cut; those guys at Valve are businessmen, and they'll still be making a good profit even if the percentages were reversed 75/25 in the modders' favour.

The idea of paying for really good content, I don't mind that. Imagine if great modders could actually make a living by doing that? It would be a huge incentive to make even bigger and better content, possibly taking the whole modding scene to a higher level. Donations don't work well enough for that, because most people aren't very generous.

The only way I think it could work fairly, though, would be with really heavy moderation. Employees making sure that stuff released is original content, having to approve mods before they can be put for sale, and high standards. No low effort crap for $10, like new weapon skins.

But of course, just accepting anything and throwing up your hands 'We don't want to force a mod developer to do "x."!' (Gabe's words) is without a doubt more profitable in the short term, generating more content and requiring no effort on their part.

A lot of comments are about Valve's motivations and intentions. The only way to credibly demonstrate those are through long-run actions towards the community. There is no shortcut to not being evil.

Amen.

Even if it were a good idea (which it isn't at all, not even for Valve), it's still splitting up the community.

If I'm going to pay a modder, it will be by choice and through a donation link. I will not risk paying for a mod and having it screw up somewhere along the road. Even if a mod works, an update could destroy it. It's just not worth it.

It's definitely community-splitting to do it NOW, on a game that's had only free mods for many years and that's nearing the end of its life, as far as actively developing mods for it goes. I guess it's primarily a trial run, to gauge the profitability and public reception of paid mods. Okay, only the profitability, and public reception insofar as it affects the profits. But if/once they do it for Fallout 4, it'll be a different playing field from the start.

If I'm going to pay a modder, it will be by choice and through a donation link. I will not risk paying for a mod and having it screw up somewhere along the road. Even if a mod works, an update could destroy it. It's just not worth it.

If paid mods become a common thing, I imagine I'll be pirating most of them rather than paying. Even with rampant mod piracy, though, I'm certain paid mods will make more profit for the authors than what free mods which you can donate to make.

The pay-what-you-want model could work, maybe, with the minimum prize set to zero? That's kind of like donations, but it's more effective at guilting buyers into giving some money to the developer, rather than paying nothing.

It would be the same if they did this when Skyrim was new.

It's not just the fact Skyrim's mods have been free all this time, it's that mods in general have been free for several years.

The pay-what-you-want model could work, maybe, with the minimum prize set to zero? That's kind of like donations, but it's more effective at guilting buyers into giving some money to the developer, rather than paying nothing.


If paid mods have the option of paying nothing, I'll just do that and urge everyone else to do the same. Neither Valve nor Bethesda deserve money for mods. And this was Bethesda's idea from the start. I already wasn't going to get the next Elder Scrolls since Skyrim was so utterly godawful, but now I'm fully against the company. So against it, in fact, that I must also urge everyone here to never pay them a cent again.

They release unfinished games and let the community do the rest. Now they're making money off of nearly free labor (although it might as well be free since the modder barely gets paid).

Well then.

Good move, Valve. I applaud you.

Well, that was fast.

Glad they killed that. Also, don't talk shit about Total Skyrim. Best of the ES series.

EDIT: Huh, didn't see that link Skurn posted (or was it added later?) Oh well.

Noooo?

Also, Skyrim is wood.

EDIT: Le me rephrase that now that I am in the proper mood.

SKYRIM. IS. SHIIIIIIIIIIT!!