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Originally posted by Schnapper:
Makes me numb, the ignorance of these atheists. Muslims have been some of the biggest contributors to science, especially in the fields of medicine and maths.
The problems with atheism include: atheists seem to be driving for a sterile, 1984/mirror's edge-styled world where everything is based on solid knowledge and fact. If you have a fantasy that you want to believe true, well surprise - there'll always be an atheist to burn you dreams.
Have you ever wondered why atheists are historically under-achievers? Is it because of religious repression? No - atheists believe our existence is coincidental, evolutionary, that no-one really cares for you as an individual made in a divine image. No, you must try to celebrate your' inner god although you're already an outdated specimen by atheist standards. This is why humanists often turn nihilist - atheism is a nihilistic ideology. There's no innate desire for self-betterment as nature will improve on you anyway.
The least biased/most neutral individuals would be agnostics, but indecision makes it hard for one to accomplish anything.
Some serious stereotyping going on here. I don't believe in God and I do believe in evolution, but that doesn't mean I want that sort of world you described. A "1984/mirror's edge-styled world where everything is based on solid knowledge and fact" sounds very dreary to me. A world where God existed would be much more interesting, and I wish He did. But when I examine all the evidence (that I've seen), I simply can't. I can't believe something that, when I think rationally, is ridiculous. I won't believe something just because I want to. If you want to do so, go ahead - but if an argument is happening, I will argue.
Science examines the evidence and finds an explanation, whereas religion has an explanation that it forces the facts into. If God was real I don't think that would be necessary. The facts would just fit.
Just because I don't believe I was made in someone's divine image doesn't mean I think I don't matter, or that I'm not important. Everyone matters - everyone is important. Everything is important. I don't need to be singled out as being more important than anything else to feel happy and secure.
Originally posted by Schnapper:
Also, enchilado - you may not be intellectually stimulated by this here debate, but every time we have one of these, it really gets my thinking gears grinding. Today I'll go into my local bookstore and buy some books on the origins of man that I might study this more closely - perhaps Steven Jay Gould and Richard Dawkins... suggestions?
I don't know much about Stephen Jay Gould. Richard Dawkins... well, he can be a little harsh toward religion, but his books are good if you don't find that off-putting. The important thing is, I think, that you try to read with an open mind. Imagine, just while you're reading, that everything he says is true. Do your best to believe it - just while you're reading.
And to those who questioned how "something" could come from "nothing" in regards to life beginning, I suggest you begin by reading this article.
EDIT: Mrgantoe made a post while I was writing this that I just thought I would respond to...
Originally posted by Mrgantoe:
I [...] knew there were four Indian,Atlantic,pacific,artic.
What about the Southern Ocean?
Originally posted by Schnapper:
Makes me numb, the ignorance of these atheists. Muslims have been some of the biggest contributors to science, especially in the fields of medicine and maths.
The problems with atheism include: atheists seem to be driving for a sterile, 1984/mirror's edge-styled world where everything is based on solid knowledge and fact. If you have a fantasy that you want to believe true, well surprise - there'll always be an atheist to burn you dreams.
Have you ever wondered why atheists are historically under-achievers? Is it because of religious repression? No - atheists believe our existence is coincidental, evolutionary, that no-one really cares for you as an individual made in a divine image. No, you must try to celebrate your' inner god although you're already an outdated specimen by atheist standards. This is why humanists often turn nihilist - atheism is a nihilistic ideology. There's no innate desire for self-betterment as nature will improve on you anyway.
The least biased/most neutral individuals would be agnostics, but indecision makes it hard for one to accomplish anything.
Some serious stereotyping going on here. I don't believe in God and I do believe in evolution, but that doesn't mean I want that sort of world you described. A "1984/mirror's edge-styled world where everything is based on solid knowledge and fact" sounds very dreary to me. A world where God existed would be much more interesting, and I wish He did. But when I examine all the evidence (that I've seen), I simply can't. I can't believe something that, when I think rationally, is ridiculous. I won't believe something just because I want to. If you want to do so, go ahead - but if an argument is happening, I will argue.
Science examines the evidence and finds an explanation, whereas religion has an explanation that it forces the facts into. If God was real I don't think that would be necessary. The facts would just fit.
Just because I don't believe I was made in someone's divine image doesn't mean I think I don't matter, or that I'm not important. Everyone matters - everyone is important. Everything is important. I don't need to be singled out as being more important than anything else to feel happy and secure.
Originally posted by Schnapper:
Also, enchilado - you may not be intellectually stimulated by this here debate, but every time we have one of these, it really gets my thinking gears grinding. Today I'll go into my local bookstore and buy some books on the origins of man that I might study this more closely - perhaps Steven Jay Gould and Richard Dawkins... suggestions?
I don't know much about Stephen Jay Gould. Richard Dawkins... well, he can be a little harsh toward religion, but his books are good if you don't find that off-putting. The important thing is, I think, that you try to read with an open mind. Imagine, just while you're reading, that everything he says is true. Do your best to believe it - just while you're reading.
And to those who questioned how "something" could come from "nothing" in regards to life beginning, I suggest you begin by reading this article.
EDIT: Mrgantoe made a post while I was writing this that I just thought I would respond to...
Originally posted by Mrgantoe:
I [...] knew there were four Indian,Atlantic,pacific,artic.
What about the Southern Ocean?
