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In the american's point of view the arab's are the terrorist's,vice versa for the other.Who are the terrorist's in you're oppinion?.This is a non provocative thread on Pred's favourite subject.Please be civil

Human nature and corrupt capitalism. Both sides are guilty.

There's an itchy feeling in everyone, that rubs you going "Hey, go commit some terror!" It pokes you constantly, and it's hungry. Always hungry. It can't feed until you blow something up, give nightmares to kids, stab something to death, ect. It's name is terror, and it wants you to fill in it's shoes.

Terror, is the real terrorist.

@Leprechaun
That was creepy.........
*quiver's*

Muslim extremism and western intervention in Muslim regions have a very different character. Terrorism is meant purely to make people afraid and make them do concessions that way. What western nations do in many Muslim countries is trying to prevent terrorism. The massive difference in wealth between these countries then causes human lives to be valued totally differently. (In western countries, who cares about another dead Iraqi?)

You might thoroughly disagree with the way western countries behave in much of the middle east, but it does not have the sole intention of terrifying people. That's what terrorism does, and that is not what western nations do. You can disagree all you want, but attacks such as the ones in 2001 in New York, 2004 in Madrid and 2008 in India are genuine terrorist attacks specifically to scare a nation. That's not what western nations are doing in the middle east.

Having said that. I disagree on the notion that Arabs are terrorists. That seems to suggest that many Arabs agree with these attacks, while in fact Muslim nations often are the victims of terrorism themselves.

I guess "terrorism" is a label cooked up by USA bigwigs to terrify the general populace into justifying a pointless war. In the good ol' days "terrorism" was called by its' right name: "act of aggression" or "an attack on the country." I don't think Muslim extremists want to scare yanks. They want to exterminate them. So, "terrorism" is a redundant word with as much weight as "heretic" or "warlock".

OK, first of all, I tried to make this as unbiased as possible, based on books I read:
Sadly enough, since terrorism mostly occurs in undeveloped or developing Muslim nations where most people are illiterate, some people a) want to spread fear to halt development and force the country's budget to focus on defense only b) suffer and want to commit suicide AND make other people (i.e people who's family members get killed) suffer c) because they have wrongly interpreted their religion and in their efforts to become a martyr think if they can knock off a couple of hundred people they did the right thing. (By the way, you CANNOT find this teaching in Islam, killing your own people is a straight one-way ticket to Hell, and a martyr is someone who dies in a war.)
Now, that's for the most part. However, a terrorist(Yes, this unbiased no matter how biased it seems) can be someone who some countries (again, I am not pointing fingers so as not to spread hate) get to bomb some place so they can claim to be 'anti-terrorists' and stuff their troops into that country. This has happened in Iraq especially. Yes, now the country I'm talking about is obvious.
No general group is the terrorist. What MsDink said: Blame the Muslims for what the Muslims do. Blame the Americans for what the Americans do -- that's a fairer comment than most, but I still don't wholly agree with it. Blame the individual for what the individual does. If an Israeli military man kills a Palestinian, or a 'Muslim' terrorist kills an American, or if, as Ramon Davis did, an American kills a Pakistani, it's not some Israeli, Pakistani or American child's fault, or any other person who didn't do or support it, for that matter.

What americans are currently doing over in Middle East is practicing and causing terrorism against those people. I don't see much difference by acts of terrorism caused by radical muslims against western countries any more than what's still happening in Iraq or Afganistan daily (deaths of so many innocents caused either directly or indirectly by the presence of our armies there).

Also, September 2001 was not an unprovoked attack, never was, we have much to shame in ourselves for letting it happen. Americans have been waging wars and dropping bombs on Middle East for atleast two centuries before that event, it was not unexpected they'd retaliate sooner or later.

So, I'm not happy us western countries, we aren't really taking as much blame for the current situation as we should. We're not the heroes. And for all the talk about "preventing the rise of terrorism and spreading democracy" we've even foundered so low as to give our support to Israel, a prime example of a terrorist state if there ever was one in the Middle East!

Indeed. Oh, hi Synbi. Haven't seen you is some time.

Duckhater, why are you posting this? Pred just posted something where he wished that Al Qaeda would attack America.

/me 's sus level goes up

Technically this is a different subject.

Let me windily explain my view:

Terrorism, as the name implies, is the use of fear to cause a political reaction among a populous. It is an integral part of guerrilla warfare and is meant to demoralise an enemy into backing down by making them too afraid to fight for fear of repercussions. It is, however, solely useful as a RESPONSE. It has no use what so ever on a first strike bases.

Take the following scenario as an example:

In a hypothetical guerrilla war, a single guerrilla solder is hung for his rebellion by the ruling government. The guerrilla leader responds by hanging an entire village of loyals -- men, women, and children. This pattern continues: for every hung guerrilla, a village is devastated. The desired outcome is that the ruling government will have to stop hanging guerrillas for fear of the terrible repercussions.

Although it has rarely actually worked throughout history, this is the essential pattern necessary to terrorism. Terrorism is literally political control by fear.

Using this as a criteria, we can come to a simple conclusion: NEITHER side are terrorists. The name has been misused from the beginning. The names I would use for each side would be as follows:

Islamics = Religious extremists

Western Nations = Pirates

The first is an obvious choice and makes perfect sense in light of there actions, but why should I call us pirates? It is simple: We are there for the oil. If that were not the case, we would be attacking Iran now -- they have made threats even more extreme than those of Saddam and Bin Ladin. We do not attack them because that would result in the immediate loss of oil flow from that part of the world. Now: what does this have to do with pirates? Well its a simple equation:

Oil = Money
Those who kill for money = pirates
Those who kill for oil = Western Nations
Therefore:
Wester Nations = pirates.

Note: Yes, I am an American, but I don't agree with what we are doing in the middle east.

Americans have been waging wars and dropping bombs on Middle East for atleast two centuries before that event,

That'd be two decades, right?

Hitler. 'Nuff said.

Just throwing in my opinion. In my point of view, the only "real terrorists" are every single one of those human beings, that deliberately and/or voluntarily take a part in any war.

I believe you might be over simplifying Skull. If you new for sure there was an army marching towards you country with the intent to kill or enslave every man, woman, and child, wouldn't you volunteer to take part in the war against said army?

(This has nothing to do with the gulf war, I speak only as a generality.)

Hmm... terrorism. What America is doing in the middle east is not terrorism, it's imperialism. I don't believe in Al Qaeda either. Imagine that you lost entire family in war with america. I certainly wouldn't like americans then, but some people raise it to the next level. Terrorism? Hardly. I would call that hate. Terrorism is using fear to 'change' the opinion of other person. This is more battle of interests.

Skull's statement seems logically sound. Humans are normally terrified of death. So, anything likely to cause death is a terrorist.

So.... by that reasoning.... Talporn is a terrorist?

Most definitely.

DinkDoodler = terrorist

you DO know you just paid DD a half-compliment right?

Hey Predator. Hey thanks.
Oh, and yeah. Talporn does cause quite an explosion.
I still prefer to be a resistance fighter in your non existent DMOD.

Darksign, if that was to happen, I would probably try to negotiate first of the possibilities and try to actually prevent the whole thing. However, if that didn't work and they still kept marching on, I would defend my country for certain. But I don't consider that as deliberate and/or voluntare, because I'm doing what I have to, and I'm doing it after I've tried to prevent the war from happening.

I think it's sometimes better to just over simplify things. Usually those big and long theories that use every idea and every ounce of your brains' power aren't very correct, cause you're tying too much to actually come up with an explanation for the subject.

Listen here that wasnt me you retards I DONT POST AS A GHOST ANYMORE!

IT WAS OBVISOULSY DD HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE EVERYONE THINK IT WAS ME.

And my DMOD is now complete but because of you DD i dont feel like i should release it.

Wow, big combo there. That's it boys - it's friday after all.

Oh, imo the real terrorists are maniacs like Behring Breivik and all their brainwashed followers.

Hehe, that's a nice excuse for not releasing a DMOD. But nevermind.
It was godley after all.

@Tooth: I have to disagree. Imperialism implies a desire to stay and rule, but what we're doings is just getting what we can out of the country with every intention of bailing out whenever convenient. As I mentioned before, I think piracy is a good name for what we are doing.

@schnapper: By that definition rattlesnakes, sharks, and volcanoes are terrorists too.

Read my first post for a full definition of the meaning and use of terrorism. I did not make that stuff up: that was exactly how terrorism is explained in the guerrilla warfare book I read. The same book that was used in writing the military manual on the matter.

@everyone: I would like to make it clear that I do not support my country in this war. I do, however, think it is unfair to lay the blame solely on us. We are the biggest, strongest country, so it is natural that we would spearhead any mission for less than perfect reasons. The fact is everyone of the U.N. countries wants that oil. If we had said no, another country would have found an excuse to go in after it. All of our economies would have shut down if that oil had stopped flowing. All western nations are corrupt now. Greed rules ever last one of us. From birth we were all sold into the slavery of the rich. Do you really think you could start a business of your own any more than I could? Your owners just want you to believe they are innocent, so they can extort you more. Don't buy any of it. Americans are not you enemies; The rich are ALL our enemies. We poor Americans are you allies. Down with Oligarchy! Freedom to the people!