US war crimes(with link)
July 29th 2011, 10:52 AM

Predator


http://www.opinion-maker.org/2011/01/us-war-crimes-evidence-piling-up/
f#ck you americans why are yo so cruel
f#ck you americans why are yo so cruel
July 29th 2011, 10:55 AM

Predator


Military documents obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) after a lengthy lawsuit under the Freedom of Information Act provide important new evidence of American war crimes. The documents include autopsy reports and investigative reports on the deaths of 190 prisoners held by the US military at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba and in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The more than 2,600 pages of documents were turned over to the ACLU on January 14 and made public on the organization’s web site five days later.
An ACLU statement said that 25 to 30 cases were “unjustified homicides.” US military investigators themselves identified many of the deaths as homicides, although there were very few trials or convictions of the soldiers involved.
The ACLU issued a statement declaring: “So far, the documents released by the government raise more questions than they answer, but they do confirm one troubling fact: that no senior officials have been held to account for the widespread abuse of detainees. Without real accountability for these abuses, we risk inviting more abuse in the future.”
Some of the deaths are well known cases of atrocities committed by American soldiers, such as the killing of four prisoners who were shot and then thrown into a Baghdad canal in 2007. Others are previously unknown or not widely reported.
The autopsy reports make for gruesome reading. One document details the beating death in 2003 of Abid Mowhosh, a prisoner at Abu Ghraib, the infamous prison outside Baghdad that was the site of the largest number of deaths.
The autopsy report concludes: “This 56-year-old Iraqi detainee died of asphyxia and chest compression. Significant findings of the autopsy included rib fractures and numerous contusions (bruises), some of which were patterned due to impacts with a blunt object…”
Another autopsy report describes the killing of Farhad Mohamed following a military raid in 2004 in Mosul: “This approximately 27-year-old male civilian, presumed Iraqi national, died in US custody approximately 72 hours after being apprehended. By report, physical force was required during his initial apprehension during a raid. During his confinement, he was hooded, sleep deprived and subjected to hot and cold environmental conditions, including the use of cold water on his body and hood.”
The young man is described as a “well-developed, well-nourished male,” who was six feet tall and 190 pounds. He died after three days of torture. The techniques described—hooding, sleep deprivation, and some form of waterboarding—are prohibited under the Geneva Conventions. Those who are responsible for his death are guilty of a war crime.
The ACLU highlighted one case in which a sergeant walked into a room where the prisoner was lying wounded “and assaulted him… then shot him twice, thus killing him.” The sergeant then told other soldiers present to lie about the murder. Another soldier, a corporal, subsequently shot the corpse in the head.
According to a summary of the documents carried by CNN, US soldiers were suspects in 43 of the deaths, with the rest due to natural causes, outside attacks on US prisons, or fighting among prisoners. In 13 cases, probable cause for a murder prosecution was found and a total of 19 Americans were convicted of some offense.
The ACLU noted that more than one-quarter of all the deaths were attributed to cardiac problems, although most of the prisoners appeared healthy when first detained. In restrained language, the organization said, “This could potentially raise serious questions about the conditions of confinement or interrogation of the detainees.”
Lt. Col. Tanya Bradsher, a Pentagon spokeswoman, told the press, “The fact that so many autopsies and investigative reports exist indicates the seriousness with which the Department takes its responsibilities regarding detainee treatment and accountability.” By this remarkable logic, the 190 deaths in custody are proof, not of the savagery of American imperialism, but of its humanitarian concern.
Equally remarkable is the response of the American media. As of Sunday afternoon, only six mentions of the ACLU report were logged in a Google News search, of which three were by the Iranian English-language Press TV. There was no mention of the material in the New York Times, the Washington Post or any other television network besides CNN.
The ACLU released the documents one day after a federal appeals court upheld a lower-court ruling that the Obama administration can continue to suppress transcripts in which former prisoners of the CIA now held at Guantanamo Bay describe torture and abuse they suffered while in CIA custody.
These prisoners are being denied their own statements, made to Combatant Status Review Tribunals, the hearings held at Guantanamo to determine whether prisoners are “enemy combatants.” The courts have refused to enforce requests for full transcripts of these hearings, filed under the Freedom of Information Act, the same law used by the ACLU to obtain the prisoner autopsy records.
The documents made public by the ACLU are a devastating exposure of the bloody role of American imperialism in Afghanistan, Iraq and throughout the world. They deserve further study and careful analysis. Along with the hundreds of thousands of documents made public by WikiLeaks, they form the factual basis for a war crimes indictment of the leaders of the American government.
Bush, Cheney & Co., along with their successors Obama and Biden, and all the top military and foreign policy officials who served in both administrations, are guilty of the most serious crimes against humanity. All these officials deserve to face an international war crimes tribunal.
The more than 2,600 pages of documents were turned over to the ACLU on January 14 and made public on the organization’s web site five days later.
An ACLU statement said that 25 to 30 cases were “unjustified homicides.” US military investigators themselves identified many of the deaths as homicides, although there were very few trials or convictions of the soldiers involved.
The ACLU issued a statement declaring: “So far, the documents released by the government raise more questions than they answer, but they do confirm one troubling fact: that no senior officials have been held to account for the widespread abuse of detainees. Without real accountability for these abuses, we risk inviting more abuse in the future.”
Some of the deaths are well known cases of atrocities committed by American soldiers, such as the killing of four prisoners who were shot and then thrown into a Baghdad canal in 2007. Others are previously unknown or not widely reported.
The autopsy reports make for gruesome reading. One document details the beating death in 2003 of Abid Mowhosh, a prisoner at Abu Ghraib, the infamous prison outside Baghdad that was the site of the largest number of deaths.
The autopsy report concludes: “This 56-year-old Iraqi detainee died of asphyxia and chest compression. Significant findings of the autopsy included rib fractures and numerous contusions (bruises), some of which were patterned due to impacts with a blunt object…”
Another autopsy report describes the killing of Farhad Mohamed following a military raid in 2004 in Mosul: “This approximately 27-year-old male civilian, presumed Iraqi national, died in US custody approximately 72 hours after being apprehended. By report, physical force was required during his initial apprehension during a raid. During his confinement, he was hooded, sleep deprived and subjected to hot and cold environmental conditions, including the use of cold water on his body and hood.”
The young man is described as a “well-developed, well-nourished male,” who was six feet tall and 190 pounds. He died after three days of torture. The techniques described—hooding, sleep deprivation, and some form of waterboarding—are prohibited under the Geneva Conventions. Those who are responsible for his death are guilty of a war crime.
The ACLU highlighted one case in which a sergeant walked into a room where the prisoner was lying wounded “and assaulted him… then shot him twice, thus killing him.” The sergeant then told other soldiers present to lie about the murder. Another soldier, a corporal, subsequently shot the corpse in the head.
According to a summary of the documents carried by CNN, US soldiers were suspects in 43 of the deaths, with the rest due to natural causes, outside attacks on US prisons, or fighting among prisoners. In 13 cases, probable cause for a murder prosecution was found and a total of 19 Americans were convicted of some offense.
The ACLU noted that more than one-quarter of all the deaths were attributed to cardiac problems, although most of the prisoners appeared healthy when first detained. In restrained language, the organization said, “This could potentially raise serious questions about the conditions of confinement or interrogation of the detainees.”
Lt. Col. Tanya Bradsher, a Pentagon spokeswoman, told the press, “The fact that so many autopsies and investigative reports exist indicates the seriousness with which the Department takes its responsibilities regarding detainee treatment and accountability.” By this remarkable logic, the 190 deaths in custody are proof, not of the savagery of American imperialism, but of its humanitarian concern.
Equally remarkable is the response of the American media. As of Sunday afternoon, only six mentions of the ACLU report were logged in a Google News search, of which three were by the Iranian English-language Press TV. There was no mention of the material in the New York Times, the Washington Post or any other television network besides CNN.
The ACLU released the documents one day after a federal appeals court upheld a lower-court ruling that the Obama administration can continue to suppress transcripts in which former prisoners of the CIA now held at Guantanamo Bay describe torture and abuse they suffered while in CIA custody.
These prisoners are being denied their own statements, made to Combatant Status Review Tribunals, the hearings held at Guantanamo to determine whether prisoners are “enemy combatants.” The courts have refused to enforce requests for full transcripts of these hearings, filed under the Freedom of Information Act, the same law used by the ACLU to obtain the prisoner autopsy records.
The documents made public by the ACLU are a devastating exposure of the bloody role of American imperialism in Afghanistan, Iraq and throughout the world. They deserve further study and careful analysis. Along with the hundreds of thousands of documents made public by WikiLeaks, they form the factual basis for a war crimes indictment of the leaders of the American government.
Bush, Cheney & Co., along with their successors Obama and Biden, and all the top military and foreign policy officials who served in both administrations, are guilty of the most serious crimes against humanity. All these officials deserve to face an international war crimes tribunal.
July 29th 2011, 10:59 AM

Anonymous


Sabre, save us.
Go file a complaint in a police station that Predator is posting copyrighted information.
And then get him a prison sentence.
Go file a complaint in a police station that Predator is posting copyrighted information.
And then get him a prison sentence.
Who would read something useless that long?
Who cares?
Please, nobody here cares about war and politics so much. Get over your obsession with Americans, you think only you are the best.
I never thought I'd miss redink1 this much. I miss him, but now I miss him a whole lot, the champion of Justice!
Who cares?
Please, nobody here cares about war and politics so much. Get over your obsession with Americans, you think only you are the best.
I never thought I'd miss redink1 this much. I miss him, but now I miss him a whole lot, the champion of Justice!
These people need to be prosecuted, clearly. It's good that the ACLU is bringing these documents to light, though it's also a good point that the documents exist because the Defense Department takes these actions seriously.
NOOOO! You're falling to the dark side! BAN HIM! BAN PREDATOR! Save dinkulum!
*snore* *snorts and wakes up*
What did I miss? Nevermind.
What did I miss? Nevermind.

All US Military does anyway is attack random countries and eat doughnuts inbetween. Not really many warcrimes they can commit.
I am also joking, obviously. I guess I'll just say that in every post now to not cause havoc?
I am also joking, obviously. I guess I'll just say that in every post now to not cause havoc?

July 29th 2011, 11:15 AM

Predator


Hey i have an idea how about i go to Russia and steal a couple nuclear war heads and launch them on those american scumbags.

Hmph. As if.
This was to preddy, for those who don't know.

This was to preddy, for those who don't know.
I am also joking, obviously. I guess I'll just say that in every post now to not cause havoc?
It helps

It helps

"nobody here cares about war and politics so much."
As a twelve year old I don't think you should answer for all of us.
I myself am really interested in politics.
As a twelve year old I don't think you should answer for all of us.
I myself am really interested in politics.
I meant, you wouldn't spill it all over the forum. It makes it look ugly. And quit mocking my age or I might bite you
But really, this idiot actually think he can steal warheads? He's overdosed on the spy movies.

Bloodlust and hatred, it runs in the genetic pattern of all Americans. You finally got me to fess up, Predator. We're all intolerant of the rest of the world and secretly wish we could nuke every other country, or at least buy them out.
Just take the "We're all" out of it and it's pretty accurate.

Yes, indeed. Although some other words will have to be edited too.

What happened to all be fair in lovest wareth?
July 29th 2011, 06:30 PM

Predator


@DD It was a F#CKING joke i would get myself killed if i did that.
youre such an idiot
youre such an idiot
July 29th 2011, 06:38 PM

Predator


I saw picture of US soldier holding a naked prison and the soldier had a leash tied around its neck and the SOLDIER GAVE A THUMBS UP AND THE PRSIONNERS HAD SORES ALL AROUNDS ITS BODY
YOU AMERICANS ARE EXSTREMELY SICKNING PEOPLE!!
YOU AMERICANS ARE EXSTREMELY SICKNING PEOPLE!!

July 29th 2011, 06:49 PM

Tooth


Well, did you know that UK had slaves up until 1990 in the republic of South africa, (officially)? I don't like Americans either, but I doubt that people on this forum ( who are americans) have anything to do with american foreign politic. So stop bothering about that in here.
July 29th 2011, 06:56 PM

Predator


Well yaeh im not deneing that but americans are always in denial so stupid so dumb so ignorant so inhumane
what country are your from tooth?
what country are your from tooth?
July 29th 2011, 07:02 PM

Tooth


Won't tell you. All I will say is that my country was also bombed (and I remember it too good to forget), not just by American bombs, but with Uk's too. Not to mention about your actions in other countries now.
July 29th 2011, 07:05 PM

Tooth


Like what? Dude, you've got to be kidding me. What do you hear about Lybia on the news?
July 29th 2011, 07:07 PM

Predator


Of course im kidding i was acting like a american just then yeah i know whats happing in lybia.
Lybia and predator the UK senslessly killed Muslims wait am I being hypocritical by saying that
.

July 29th 2011, 07:11 PM

Tooth


Don't get confused mrgantoe. Nobody ever started a war because of religion. That is just an excuse. Muslims, christians, jews... It's all about land or economic interest. But I'm getting off topic. Don't bother this forum anymore with american war crimes. Especially if you are from UK.
July 29th 2011, 07:18 PM

Predator


What i want to know is why are americans such sickining people.
July 29th 2011, 07:26 PM

Tooth


They are not (can't believe I just wrote that), there are many others. Individuals are responsible for what is happening in the world, and such individuals exist in your country too. Actually, your country has a lot longer reputation for aggression then america. American war for independence from UK, for example. And that's enough about politics. Read history a little more.
July 29th 2011, 07:42 PM

Tooth


I won't argue with you any more. I think I've said enough. You can also watch it this way. They are acting like that, because thay can. Thay have the strongest army. But empires come and go. Egyptians, Mongols, Romans, GB (Great Britain, not gigabyte
), America, and apparently next one will be China or India. And every empire does the same... and I'm going to sleep now...

July 29th 2011, 07:46 PM

Tooth


Oh, and the only right way to write Libya is ليبيا. English is not my mother language (arabic neither), but thanks for correcting me.
July 29th 2011, 07:50 PM

Predator


americans are all evil all counties should unite to take down that lying hypocritical fatass s#ithole nation.
July 29th 2011, 07:52 PM

Tooth


And (for the end), there is no such thing as 'war crime'. War is war, and 'war criminals' are those who lost it.
July 29th 2011, 07:55 PM

Predator


There is such thing as a war crime so stop defeding those american scumbags
July 29th 2011, 09:09 PM

Predator


Look up abu ghraib tortue and prisoner abuse
look up lynndie england
a typical american right there
look up lynndie england
a typical american right there

This should teach you about exepting other peoples cultures beliefs and the such Pred. Contains rasicm bleeped language sexual themes a technical rod but it's on you tube but because of that ima pm a staff it first and if they approve you guys can see it.
Rucka rucka Ali I love minorities it actualy has meaning you see it at the end.
July 29th 2011, 11:12 PM

Predator


Major General Antonio Taguba has stated that there is photographic evidence of rape being carried out at Abu Ghraib.[9] An Iraqi teenage boy was raped by a uniformed man while photos of it were taken by a female US military police officer.[10] The alleged rapist was identified by a witness as an American-Egyptian who worked as a translator, and who is now the subject of a civil court case in the US.[9] Another photo shows an American soldier apparently raping a female prisoner.[9] Other photos show sexual assaults on prisoners with objects including a truncheon, wire and a phosphorescent tube, and a female prisoner having her clothing forcibly removed to expose her breasts.[9] Taguba has supported President Obama's decision not to release the photos, stating, "These pictures show torture, abuse, rape and every indecency."[9]
In other alleged cases, female inmates were said to be raped by soldiers.[11] In one reported case, senior US officials admitted rape had taken place at Abu Ghraib.[12]
US should be kicked out of the united nations for their attrocites
In other alleged cases, female inmates were said to be raped by soldiers.[11] In one reported case, senior US officials admitted rape had taken place at Abu Ghraib.[12]
US should be kicked out of the united nations for their attrocites
Hey i have an idea how about i go to Russia and steal a couple nuclear war heads and launch them on those american scumbags.
Didn't you make a truce a while back saying you WOULD NOT FLAME anymore? I mean, you kind of are flaming the whole united states. Also, you would create an incident where the US would have to retaliate and there would be another war and some racist donkey would eventually blame it on a certain group (Say, sleeper cells in the UK) and anti-terrorist groups would work together to try and flush out the terrorists and then people would waste money and Obama would get another few years as President and America would really go down the shoot-hole. You would inevitably make the world a worse place if you nuked us.
Oh, and heads up. Predator's truce. Now broken.
Didn't you make a truce a while back saying you WOULD NOT FLAME anymore? I mean, you kind of are flaming the whole united states. Also, you would create an incident where the US would have to retaliate and there would be another war and some racist donkey would eventually blame it on a certain group (Say, sleeper cells in the UK) and anti-terrorist groups would work together to try and flush out the terrorists and then people would waste money and Obama would get another few years as President and America would really go down the shoot-hole. You would inevitably make the world a worse place if you nuked us.
Oh, and heads up. Predator's truce. Now broken.
July 30th 2011, 08:57 PM

Predator


I bet your another Bush supporter who waves arround the the US flag and eat mcdonalds 24/4 drives in his "pick up truck" with his shotguns and rifles and says YEEEEHHHAAAA!!
July 30th 2011, 09:23 PM

Yeastman


Dude. Bush is gone, most Americans hated him. He was corrupt, we all know (thanks Michael Moore). The thing is that it's a wealthy, powerful minority who control the goyim - if you understand history, the German people weren't guilty for being Hitler's pawns, they were guilty for not thinking for themselves. Please read George Orwell's "Animal Farm" for more information.
Michael Moore is one of my most hated people.
July 30th 2011, 09:31 PM

Predator


I actually read the book and the movie
Famous saying- all people are equal but some people are more equal than others
Famous saying- all people are equal but some people are more equal than others
July 30th 2011, 09:54 PM

Yeastman


@ Pred: Good show =)
@ Sabre: Why, how informative! I am positively enlightened by this clearly-explained, rational opinion!
@ Sabre: Why, how informative! I am positively enlightened by this clearly-explained, rational opinion!
July 30th 2011, 10:07 PM

Predator


<a href="">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File
ead_man_and_child_from_the_My_Lai_massacre.jpg</a The My Lai Massacre (Vietnamese: thảm sát Mỹ Lai [tʰɐ̃ːm ʂɐ̌ːt mǐˀ lɐːj]; English pronunciation: /ˌmiːˈlaɪ/ ( listen), also /ˌmiːˈleɪ, ˌmaɪˈlaɪ/,[1] Vietnamese: [mǐˀlɐːj]) was the mass murder of 347–504 unarmed citizens in South Vietnam on March 16, 1968, conducted by "Charlie" company, 1st battalion, 20th infantry, 11th infantry brigade, of the Americal Division, United States Army. All of the victims were civilians and most were women, children (including babies), and elderly people. Many of the victims were raped, beaten, tortured, and some of the bodies were found mutilated.[2]
The massacre took place in the hamlets of Mỹ Lai and My Khe of Sơn Mỹ village during the Vietnam War.[3][4] While 26 US soldiers were initially charged with criminal offenses for their actions at Mỹ Lai, only 2nd Lt. William Calley, a platoon leader in charlie company, was convicted of killing 22 villagers. Originally given a life sentence, he served three and a half years under house arrest.
there another US war crime

The massacre took place in the hamlets of Mỹ Lai and My Khe of Sơn Mỹ village during the Vietnam War.[3][4] While 26 US soldiers were initially charged with criminal offenses for their actions at Mỹ Lai, only 2nd Lt. William Calley, a platoon leader in charlie company, was convicted of killing 22 villagers. Originally given a life sentence, he served three and a half years under house arrest.
there another US war crime
I bet your another Bush supporter who waves arround the the US flag and eat mcdonalds 24/4 drives in his "pick up truck" with his shotguns and rifles and says YEEEEHHHAAAA!!
Bush was a ducktard who didn't know shoot, as we all know.
Bush was a ducktard who didn't know shoot, as we all know.
Yeastman: I was stating an opinion. Next time I express any opinion - say, the fact that I dislike eating silkworm larvae - I'll be sure to back my opinion up by stating all the reasons why.
In fact, I'd better do it now, in case you smite me with sarcasm once more.
Why I don't like eating silkworm larvae
- It smells bad when it's being cooked.
- It tastes "earthy" and has a predictably bug-like crunch.
- It looks like an insect. I don't like eating insects because we don't eat insects in my culture and it freaks me out a little.
In fact, I'd better do it now, in case you smite me with sarcasm once more.
Why I don't like eating silkworm larvae
- It smells bad when it's being cooked.
- It tastes "earthy" and has a predictably bug-like crunch.
- It looks like an insect. I don't like eating insects because we don't eat insects in my culture and it freaks me out a little.
July 31st 2011, 12:02 AM

Yeastman


You'd better be sure to do that, or I'll smite you a second time.
Eating insects... *shudder* whenever they show that on National Geographic I scream and drop whatever I'm carrying.
Because the Koreans eat that. A lot. In fact, I read all about it in Reader's Digest. Don't you have to cover it in some oil which disables the suction powers?
Nope.
Out the tank, chop chop chop, start eating.
Out the tank, chop chop chop, start eating.
*screams and drops whatever he's carrying*
Well, the tank must have it.
It's not live, it's just wriggling, which is even scarier.
Well, the tank must have it.
It's not live, it's just wriggling, which is even scarier.
No, the tank doesn't have anything like that.
The tentacles suck you a lot when you eat it. Washing it down with some soju helps, as does chewing for a loooong time. NOM!
The tentacles suck you a lot when you eat it. Washing it down with some soju helps, as does chewing for a loooong time. NOM!

Alcohol. It's most similar to vodka in taste.
*screams but hadn't picked anything up yet*
I ... ohh nevermind. Religious discussions never end well here.
I ... ohh nevermind. Religious discussions never end well here.