Reply to Re: We actually do evolve from apes(for religous people)
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Well, I'll tell you right now that the atheist' claim that christian taught the world to be flat and the center of the universe is bull-turd. Here is a coin from about 400 AD - I won't blame you if you doubt that thing he's holding is a symbol of a round earth.
Let's skip forward 300 years to 700 AD, a period of history referred to as the "Early Middle Age". Holy crab-cakes, WTF is that? That's right, the king is holding a globe with a cross mounted on top.
"B-b-but", you say, "That's a flat globe! that just means they believed in a Terry Pratchett-styled disc world!" Wrong again. If we skip forward a few years - 656 to be precise - to 1356 AD, right in the middle of the "Later Medieval Period", we find an example of the Globus Cruciger that is, as its name suggests, obviously spherical.
The reality is that Judeo-Christian religions always knew the earth was round: "Do you not know? Do you not hear? Has it not been told you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?
"It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in." Isaiah 40:21-22
Of course, Augustine of Hippo argued a flat earth, but we must remember that Augustine was also a man who did little travel and who taught that God literally wanted a kingdom established on earth, directly contradicting Christ's own statements.
In spite of this frivolity, The Venerable Bede wrote that Earth was "not merely circular like a shield [or] spread out like a wheel, but resembl[ing] more a ball"
Regarding a geocentric system, well, it may be that this was the predominant theory held by early religious groups, but I'll personal guarantee that medieval atheists thought that too. In the end it was a Christian who, the year after the telescope was invented, postulated that Copernicus' heliocentric system was, in fact credible.
Let's skip forward 300 years to 700 AD, a period of history referred to as the "Early Middle Age". Holy crab-cakes, WTF is that? That's right, the king is holding a globe with a cross mounted on top.
"B-b-but", you say, "That's a flat globe! that just means they believed in a Terry Pratchett-styled disc world!" Wrong again. If we skip forward a few years - 656 to be precise - to 1356 AD, right in the middle of the "Later Medieval Period", we find an example of the Globus Cruciger that is, as its name suggests, obviously spherical.
The reality is that Judeo-Christian religions always knew the earth was round: "Do you not know? Do you not hear? Has it not been told you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?
"It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in." Isaiah 40:21-22
Of course, Augustine of Hippo argued a flat earth, but we must remember that Augustine was also a man who did little travel and who taught that God literally wanted a kingdom established on earth, directly contradicting Christ's own statements.
In spite of this frivolity, The Venerable Bede wrote that Earth was "not merely circular like a shield [or] spread out like a wheel, but resembl[ing] more a ball"
Regarding a geocentric system, well, it may be that this was the predominant theory held by early religious groups, but I'll personal guarantee that medieval atheists thought that too. In the end it was a Christian who, the year after the telescope was invented, postulated that Copernicus' heliocentric system was, in fact credible.
