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I don't see why there's so many complaints about the DN getting all serious and boring... many people find this interesting believe it or not. And what's wrong with serious anyway? 
SkeleTony:
"And the question is NOT "If God knows all(the future as well as the past) how can HUMANS have free will?" When the question gets phrased that way then we end up in a mess because it is much simpler than that."
I know that's not the question here, just I had heard possible answers to it that way.
"And it is not true that we are all on even footing with good arguments on both sides. That is 100% false!. Real "proof" can be ignored and rationalized away by the fearful or non-understanding but it cannot be "answered". This will have little effect on who believes what but my point was that there are many things which CAN be proven(one way or the other) and God's nonexistence is one of them."
Here you seem to be saying that anyone who actually believes in God must be doing so through blind faith alone, ignoring logic and using some sort of double-think. I'm not sure it's so simple as that, or that all religious people are so naive.
To me this is getting a little like when one of those missionaries comes knocking at the door: they've trained and prepared for discussion so anything you can say they have an answer for, and even though there seems to be holes in their pitch it's hard to pinpoint them. Not that I'm calling you a missionary , just saying I find it hard to argue because you have obviously gone into the subject matter a lot more than I have.
SkeleTony:
"And the question is NOT "If God knows all(the future as well as the past) how can HUMANS have free will?" When the question gets phrased that way then we end up in a mess because it is much simpler than that."
I know that's not the question here, just I had heard possible answers to it that way.
"And it is not true that we are all on even footing with good arguments on both sides. That is 100% false!. Real "proof" can be ignored and rationalized away by the fearful or non-understanding but it cannot be "answered". This will have little effect on who believes what but my point was that there are many things which CAN be proven(one way or the other) and God's nonexistence is one of them."
Here you seem to be saying that anyone who actually believes in God must be doing so through blind faith alone, ignoring logic and using some sort of double-think. I'm not sure it's so simple as that, or that all religious people are so naive.
To me this is getting a little like when one of those missionaries comes knocking at the door: they've trained and prepared for discussion so anything you can say they have an answer for, and even though there seems to be holes in their pitch it's hard to pinpoint them. Not that I'm calling you a missionary
, just saying I find it hard to argue because you have obviously gone into the subject matter a lot more than I have.
