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DraconicDink. I live video games. I breathe video games. I generally know what I'm talking about. I didn't source some of my statements previously, and now I shall smite your ignorance with facts. Your "I read something in a magazine so it must be true because my memory cannot be faulty"-shtick is getting kind of old.
Firstly my main source was the gaming companies, not magazines. Secondly, because of the the "firstly" if I'm ignorant, then the companies are ignorant about their own products. Somehow, i doubt it. Thirdly, "DraconicDink. I live video games. I breathe video games. I generally know what I'm talking about." is not much of a selling point. I have no way of knowing if your opinion is correct.
False Statement 1) Gamecube discs are more proprietary than PS2 and Xbox discs, and would somehow cost more to manufacture.
Wikipedia: "Contrary to popular belief, Gamecube discs are not physically read any differently from a standard DVD disc, but are encrypted and contain a 'barcode' unreadable by most DVD drives."
Firstly, Wikipedia is not an authoritive source. Anyone can write Wikipedia articles. Therefore there is no way to check the credentials of most of the authors. Unless I can check the credentials of the author, there is no good reason for me to trust the articles. Secondly, as I have already stated (a couple of times now) the companies themselves were the main source of my info. Are you suggesting that the author of that article knows more than Nintendo and the companies whomake the games?
"Later, a special debug mode in the GameCube drive was discovered which allowed the console to read and play from standard mini DVD-Rs."
Random Pirate Forum: "I have a qoob pro modchip in my Gamecube... This chip supports direct booting of dvd-r discs. You can use mini or full size. I'm using full size Ritek G05's in my GC. To fit the whole thing, you need to take the top off."
So... with a mod chip, you could purchase mini DVD-Rs, burn Gamecube games on them, and play them. Just like the PS2 and Xbox games.
So third party products prove me wrong? What a load of crock!
The Playstation 2 uses 12 cm DVD discs with proprietary extensions to prevent piracy.
The Xbox uses 12 cm DVD media discs with proprietary extensions (such as spinning the disc backwards) to prevent piracy.
The Gamecube uses 8 cm DVD media discs with proprietary extensions (such as reading the data backwards) to prevent piracy.
Please tell me how these differ.
Those extensions are software, not anything to do with the disk, according to Sony and MS respectively. Nitendo themsleves said that "The game cubes disks are based on DVDs but are not DVDs, unlike the PS2 disks. This gives an edge in the sense that our games are harder to pirate." That's the difference. Note: that is paraphrased. I cannot remember the exact words.
You didn't read my previous link. Read it. Then if you disagree, please find some logical source besides another news story parroting the same statement with no facts or figures.
You acuse me of not reading your link when you didn't read me comment properly!
It was not a news story! It was what the console manufaturers said! They are a logical source! Their is no source more logical than them! To add to what I said about Sony and NS saying that, Nintendo and seha have both admitted that all of their consoles have lost them money on the sales of the units and that the royalty fees was the source of their profit.
Nintendo Insider: "When the system wars began, Nintendo GameCube was actually making money for each system sold, as Nintendo didn’t bother with all the extra non-gaming functions of its competitors, like DVD movie playback. The system was still making Nintendo money at $150, and it wasn’t until its $99 price tag that it was estimated Nintendo was losing money – but only in the single digits."
Okay, then I'll admit that as an exception, because of it's source, but Sony and MS both said their units lost them money,as did Sega. Nintendo also claimed that the SNES and NES lost them money on the units.
Firstly my main source was the gaming companies, not magazines. Secondly, because of the the "firstly" if I'm ignorant, then the companies are ignorant about their own products. Somehow, i doubt it. Thirdly, "DraconicDink. I live video games. I breathe video games. I generally know what I'm talking about." is not much of a selling point. I have no way of knowing if your opinion is correct.
False Statement 1) Gamecube discs are more proprietary than PS2 and Xbox discs, and would somehow cost more to manufacture.
Wikipedia: "Contrary to popular belief, Gamecube discs are not physically read any differently from a standard DVD disc, but are encrypted and contain a 'barcode' unreadable by most DVD drives."
Firstly, Wikipedia is not an authoritive source. Anyone can write Wikipedia articles. Therefore there is no way to check the credentials of most of the authors. Unless I can check the credentials of the author, there is no good reason for me to trust the articles. Secondly, as I have already stated (a couple of times now) the companies themselves were the main source of my info. Are you suggesting that the author of that article knows more than Nintendo and the companies whomake the games?
"Later, a special debug mode in the GameCube drive was discovered which allowed the console to read and play from standard mini DVD-Rs."
Random Pirate Forum: "I have a qoob pro modchip in my Gamecube... This chip supports direct booting of dvd-r discs. You can use mini or full size. I'm using full size Ritek G05's in my GC. To fit the whole thing, you need to take the top off."
So... with a mod chip, you could purchase mini DVD-Rs, burn Gamecube games on them, and play them. Just like the PS2 and Xbox games.
So third party products prove me wrong? What a load of crock!
The Playstation 2 uses 12 cm DVD discs with proprietary extensions to prevent piracy.
The Xbox uses 12 cm DVD media discs with proprietary extensions (such as spinning the disc backwards) to prevent piracy.
The Gamecube uses 8 cm DVD media discs with proprietary extensions (such as reading the data backwards) to prevent piracy.
Please tell me how these differ.
Those extensions are software, not anything to do with the disk, according to Sony and MS respectively. Nitendo themsleves said that "The game cubes disks are based on DVDs but are not DVDs, unlike the PS2 disks. This gives an edge in the sense that our games are harder to pirate." That's the difference. Note: that is paraphrased. I cannot remember the exact words.
You didn't read my previous link. Read it. Then if you disagree, please find some logical source besides another news story parroting the same statement with no facts or figures.
You acuse me of not reading your link when you didn't read me comment properly!
It was not a news story! It was what the console manufaturers said! They are a logical source! Their is no source more logical than them! To add to what I said about Sony and NS saying that, Nintendo and seha have both admitted that all of their consoles have lost them money on the sales of the units and that the royalty fees was the source of their profit.Nintendo Insider: "When the system wars began, Nintendo GameCube was actually making money for each system sold, as Nintendo didn’t bother with all the extra non-gaming functions of its competitors, like DVD movie playback. The system was still making Nintendo money at $150, and it wasn’t until its $99 price tag that it was estimated Nintendo was losing money – but only in the single digits."
Okay, then I'll admit that as an exception, because of it's source, but Sony and MS both said their units lost them money,as did Sega. Nintendo also claimed that the SNES and NES lost them money on the units.
