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I won't continue this discussion beyond this reply, because you never listen to me anyway, but like I said, you're mixing the two terms, because you're using the distorted and "wrong" meaning of the word "ease of use" to describe things.
So first of all, ease of figuring out is different from ease of learning. Figuring out vi is extremely difficult. But learning how to use vi (by reading the manual and tutorials) isn't necessarily hard. Vi, once you've learnt it, has a much better ease of use than Word. To get that same functionality in Word as in vi, you would either have to program some macros yourself (ease of use, eh?) or be lucky and have had someone else do that for you already.
Wrong. Cut and paste is the easiest way to do this in all of the quoted word processors/text editors (at least I assume cut and paste can be done in vi, otherwise it is useless).
What those lines describe is cut and paste. You didn't know that? And if you compare the two, you have to agree that if you know both the methods, the vi one is easier. It's a matter of a few keystrokes, versus Word's method with a whole dozen Ctrl-commands.
Why use the keyboard when you cun just use the mouse to do Cut and paste tasks (or use the keyboard shortcuts and the mouse).
Uh... the mouse isn't a tool of ease of use in text editing. If you know a proper editor, you don't ever touch the mouse. It's always the slower and less easy option. That's why. As far as I know, vi doesn't even support mouse use.
For if you don't know/understand what "d5d" means (which I didn't until you explained it) it's harder to use, thus also proving my point of 'subjective ease of use".
See? You're missing the point. Because until you've learnt how to use it, you're not allowed to talk about how easy or not it is. Since you don't know vi, you're not really qualified to tell me whether or not it's harder to use than Word. And unless you're bothered to learn vi properly, you never will be qualified to tell me.
So in other words you are the one that should be getting your facts straight not me, since you ignored part of what i said, despite it being an important and clarifying part of it.
No. I did not ignore anything. Besides, your post is now not the same as the one I replied to, so I will never be able to really check.
A part of it that actually agreed with you. In missing that you were arguing with only part of my staement, a part of it that could not be left out if you wanted to be arguing with it and getting your facts straight.
No. You said sometimes ease of use is connected to ease of figuring out. To which I replied "Yeah, but in the rarest of cases".
You keep talking like ease of use is ease of figuring out, because one of your major points always is that since figuring something out quickly means knowing how to do something correct quicker means ease of use. No. Something that is made to be very simple to use once you know it means ease of use, even if it takes longer to learn than the program that was made easy to figure out, (and get that part, you gotta learn something before you can say whether or not it's easy to use) but not necessarily created with ease of use in mind.
So first of all, ease of figuring out is different from ease of learning. Figuring out vi is extremely difficult. But learning how to use vi (by reading the manual and tutorials) isn't necessarily hard. Vi, once you've learnt it, has a much better ease of use than Word. To get that same functionality in Word as in vi, you would either have to program some macros yourself (ease of use, eh?) or be lucky and have had someone else do that for you already.
Wrong. Cut and paste is the easiest way to do this in all of the quoted word processors/text editors (at least I assume cut and paste can be done in vi, otherwise it is useless).
What those lines describe is cut and paste. You didn't know that? And if you compare the two, you have to agree that if you know both the methods, the vi one is easier. It's a matter of a few keystrokes, versus Word's method with a whole dozen Ctrl-commands.
Why use the keyboard when you cun just use the mouse to do Cut and paste tasks (or use the keyboard shortcuts and the mouse).
Uh... the mouse isn't a tool of ease of use in text editing. If you know a proper editor, you don't ever touch the mouse. It's always the slower and less easy option. That's why. As far as I know, vi doesn't even support mouse use.
For if you don't know/understand what "d5d" means (which I didn't until you explained it) it's harder to use, thus also proving my point of 'subjective ease of use".
See? You're missing the point. Because until you've learnt how to use it, you're not allowed to talk about how easy or not it is. Since you don't know vi, you're not really qualified to tell me whether or not it's harder to use than Word. And unless you're bothered to learn vi properly, you never will be qualified to tell me.
So in other words you are the one that should be getting your facts straight not me, since you ignored part of what i said, despite it being an important and clarifying part of it.
No. I did not ignore anything. Besides, your post is now not the same as the one I replied to, so I will never be able to really check.
A part of it that actually agreed with you. In missing that you were arguing with only part of my staement, a part of it that could not be left out if you wanted to be arguing with it and getting your facts straight.
No. You said sometimes ease of use is connected to ease of figuring out. To which I replied "Yeah, but in the rarest of cases".
You keep talking like ease of use is ease of figuring out, because one of your major points always is that since figuring something out quickly means knowing how to do something correct quicker means ease of use. No. Something that is made to be very simple to use once you know it means ease of use, even if it takes longer to learn than the program that was made easy to figure out, (and get that part, you gotta learn something before you can say whether or not it's easy to use) but not necessarily created with ease of use in mind.
