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September 4th 2009, 08:34 PM
SkeleTony
A note regarding my above reply to KrisKnox:
I am used to posting at forums that use the BBCode quote tags and in that one reply above I forgot where I was posting long enough to revert to old habits. That is why I used the non-working "[quote]" and "[/quote] stuff.
Sparrowhawk:
Proof is not obvious to most people and being able to prove something does not depend on masses of people recognizing that proof. But unless someone can post a rational argument from premise to conclusion which counters said proof, the proof stands nonetheless. Greek Fellow named Erastothones proved that the world was a globe around 2,500 years ago IIRC. He did so using two sticks. But it was several centuries before anyone outside of ancient Greece caught up with him and.
And the question is NOT "If God knows all(the future as well as the past) how can HUMANS have free will?" When the question gets phrased that way then we end up in a mess because it is much simpler than that. God HIMSELF cannot have to free will to create ANYTHING or do ANYTHING if he is omniscient. And THAT is where theistic religionists run off throwing rocks and threats of Hellfire back at me because there is not way out of that predicament.
And it is not true that we are all on even footing with good arguments on both sides. That is 100% false!. Real "proof" can be ignored and rationalized away by the fearful or non-understanding but it cannot be "answered". This will have little effect on who believes what but my point was that there are many things which CAN be proven(one way or the other) and God's nonexistence is one of them.
The ONLY things which CANNOT be proven to exist are imaginary things so saying that God cannot be proven to exist is no different than saying "God is imaginary".
And finally, if worship were moral then why don't most of us worship everyday people who do impressive things? And when those great people, like the Gahndi's of the world see others seeming to worship them, they reject it outright. The reason being that such conceit is not a trait of a respectable person.
No being worthy of worship would want to be worshiped.
I am used to posting at forums that use the BBCode quote tags and in that one reply above I forgot where I was posting long enough to revert to old habits. That is why I used the non-working "[quote]" and "[/quote] stuff.
Sparrowhawk:
Proof is not obvious to most people and being able to prove something does not depend on masses of people recognizing that proof. But unless someone can post a rational argument from premise to conclusion which counters said proof, the proof stands nonetheless. Greek Fellow named Erastothones proved that the world was a globe around 2,500 years ago IIRC. He did so using two sticks. But it was several centuries before anyone outside of ancient Greece caught up with him and.
And the question is NOT "If God knows all(the future as well as the past) how can HUMANS have free will?" When the question gets phrased that way then we end up in a mess because it is much simpler than that. God HIMSELF cannot have to free will to create ANYTHING or do ANYTHING if he is omniscient. And THAT is where theistic religionists run off throwing rocks and threats of Hellfire back at me because there is not way out of that predicament.
And it is not true that we are all on even footing with good arguments on both sides. That is 100% false!. Real "proof" can be ignored and rationalized away by the fearful or non-understanding but it cannot be "answered". This will have little effect on who believes what but my point was that there are many things which CAN be proven(one way or the other) and God's nonexistence is one of them.
The ONLY things which CANNOT be proven to exist are imaginary things so saying that God cannot be proven to exist is no different than saying "God is imaginary".
And finally, if worship were moral then why don't most of us worship everyday people who do impressive things? And when those great people, like the Gahndi's of the world see others seeming to worship them, they reject it outright. The reason being that such conceit is not a trait of a respectable person.
No being worthy of worship would want to be worshiped.
