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Armed Robbery at my Grocery Store

April 30th 2007, 02:19 PM
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VaultDweller
Peasant Male United States
Wanderer of the Wasteland 
Yesterday at work I was the victim of an armed robbery along with all the other employees at the time.

I was working until midnight doing "tag" duty which is the company word for changing the prices you see for an item. There were two groups of employees there one for tags and the stockers who were refilling the shelves. In total about ten of us.

Right before midnight when I was just about to stop I saw a man at the end of the aisle I was working in wearing heavy clothing which is totally out of season. I did see a large firearm, but I was actually more surprised he had such clothing for the season; a ski mask (knit cap pulled over the face with eyes and mouth exposed) a hooded sweater, thick jeans, and boots. He approached me with what I thought was a shotgun pointed at me saying "Get down! Get down on the ground!". I immediately got on my knees and then onto my stomach. At that point I didn't know what to believe and somehow thought it was a joke. The guy came over and I felt him fiddle with my hands behind me maybe tying them. He then left down the back of the aisle and I heard other voices shouting the same both the shotgun guys voice and another voice ordering employees to stay down.

About a minute went by and I heard multiple people going by behind me at the end of the aisle, but I couldn't see anything. I realised that my hands didn't feel restrained and when no one was around I looked at them...they weren't tied in any way. I put my hands back behind my back thinking that he must have just wanted me to think they were tied.

Another minute or so went by without me hearing or seeing anything. I was thinking "everything will be fine just as long as they only want money". I was suspicious of the fact that I didn't hear the other employees, but since I heard no gunshots I figured they were just herded to some room in the back.

Then the same shotgun guy who ordered me down was walking around and I could hear him yelling "I think that's all of them lets' go!". Unfortunately he saw me laying there and got me up. He asked me where the back room was and I told him. Amazingly...he asked me to follow him and for some time he walked to the back of the store in the corner and I had me follow behind him. As I walked he held his weapon in one hand and I got a long clear look at it. The barrel was thick and the hole was wide at the end, the size for a shotgun. However I've been to a shooting range twice and both times fired a rifle and something was wrong. The loading mechanism on his weapon was a bolt action as I now know it's called. One of those sliding plates with a metal ball that's suspended in the air from a bridge of metal. I realise that bolt action couldn't load shotgun shells...or if it did indeed use some rifle ammunition it would be way too small for the barrel. The handle looked like real wood, but there was one more thing. The place the barrel, handle, and bolt connected was covered in multiple layers of thick, black tape. The kind that looks like rubber. My guess is that the weapon was fake. I mean you shouldn't have something held together with tape, but then again if it was indeed a fake why the duck tape at all?

After we got to the corner he started calling for someone named "Bob", I assume a made up name. After that we walked back to the center rear of the store and he asked me where the freezers were. I told him and we went through the double doors to the back area where all the merchandise is kept stored and the freezers are as well. There two other guys, one in a halloween mask with a bag held in both hands, and another felon with a pistol came. The shotgun guy stayed behind me and the two new ones stood in front. The one with the bag just stood there while the one with the pistol started rudely giving me orders. He asked if I had a phone and I told him it was upstairs. He asked if I had money. I told him I did and withdrew my wallet. When I removed my money he threatened me "That better not be fake money!". He took it all the while constantly gesturing with the pistol. I got a good look at it. It was quite a bit smaller and very thin. It was also extremely shiny and looked to be made of silver. I'm no gun expert, but I also think I've seen one of the exact same design in a movie, game, etc. After taking my money the three of them lead me to the back of the hall where he opened the freezer and told me to get in.

Thankfully the freezer was occupied by all the other employees. I was actually extremely worried about what had happened to them after I hadn't seen anyone while walking the store with the shotgun guy. The door closed behind me and I looked...everyone was there. No one was hurt save for one stocker who was deaf. Apparently he couldn't hear the "Get down!" order so the shotgun guy clubbed him. He was bleeding somewhat from the head, but otherwise fine. I really didn't say much of anything. and after a minute the alarm went off. I have no idea where the bandits came in at, but they sure must have been stupid to not leave through the same way and not set off the alarm. After a minute one of the stockers went through the freezer door which was surprisingly left unlocked. He came back not much later and we all exited and milled about the store.

I had no idea what to do so I just went back to work while waiting for the cops. I was extremely surprised when they got there in ten minutes since I live in a rural area and it I hear they often take more than twenty minutes to get somewhere. We were all herded to the front while three officers searched the store (one had an automatic rifle) and they came back saying it was clear.

I talked and listened to what the other employees had to say. It seems that some of them had their hands tied with plastic cuffs. Those things made of the same tough plastic you have media productes encased in. Oddly they only cuffed half of us and one of them they cuffed with two sets. Also they had it seemed rounded everyone up after ordering them to get down, then they brought them back to the freezer, took the two managers to open the safe, got the money, put the managers in the freezer then were leaving and found me. I was the only person who had their money taken!

Overall it seems the bandits knew the store and may have worked there previously. The came in just before midnight. Thing is before eleven we have security, but after when they leave the doors are locked since the store is so empty and without security that's the best theft deterrent. However there are a few daytime workers who stay until midnight and have to unlock then lock the doors. The bandits came through the door right as the doors were unlocked for the cash office supervisor to leave. The came at the right time.

Yet they were very unprofessional. They didn't have enough plastic cuffs and did one person twice. The one with the "shotgun" most likely had a fake weapon. Most dumb of all is how they forgot about me until they were leaving. Actually I'm still shocked the shotgun guy let me follow behind him...

For over an hour things were calm. Paramedics showed up and gave the guy with blunt trauma some first aid. Then the officers took statements from each of us. I told him everything. The shotgun guy and the pistol guy were both black since I could see the skin around their eyes and mouth even through the ski masks. The pistol guy was a bit taller and belligerent whereas the shotgun guy was a little shorter and never cussed or even used slang. The one in the halloween mask never spoke and I couldn't tell his skin color though I did see he was much shorter than me. All of them were young though the masked one I just assume since he was so small.

A special police investigator showed up along with the store owners. The owners comforted everyone and the investigator asked some finer questions about what happened. Then we all went home.

In retrospect I'm very glad no one panicked and fought or cried. I doubt anyone would have gotten killed. I was actually thinking they weren't even going to hurt anyone until I went in the freezer and saw the stocker with the bleeding head.

I really feel alright. Actually it kinda bothers me. I realise I was threated at gunpoint, but yet no actual damage was inflicted towards me. I lost about $120 which is three days pay or to put it another way three months of "fun" money as I spend about forty dollars a month towards non-necessary things. I'd like to know why they took my money and no one else's. Probably they didn't get enough satisfaction from the safe which had $3,000 in it.

One last thing. When I was following the shotgun guy I considered resisting. Me and him were alone. He had a fake gun that could essentially be used as a club, but there were things on the shelf that I could have used just as well or better than that to fight with. I did have him from behind, but I doubt I could have incapacitated him before his two accomplices would come back and they'd surely kill me. It's all useless though seeing as I couldn't kill anyone unless I was certain I was going to be killed and that would only be true if I had already been shot and hence already dead.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
April 30th 2007, 02:35 PM
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wow... what a story... perhaps these bandits just robbed a toystore to get the firearms

i think they did not want to shoot anybody with the guns so they'd better have some fakes in case of an accident
April 30th 2007, 02:53 PM
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Yeah, there's no reason to try to be a hero in that situation. You did the right thing.
April 30th 2007, 04:22 PM
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Tunafish
Ghost
 
Yeah, smart of you not to panic.
April 30th 2007, 04:35 PM
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Chrispy
Peasant Male Canada
I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to.I guess. 
So did your employers offer to reimburse you your money?
April 30th 2007, 04:40 PM
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rabidwolf9
Peasant Male United States steam
twitch.tv/rabidwolf9 
I couldn't imagine going through that, glad to hear you made it out okay and nobody was hurt too bad
April 30th 2007, 05:16 PM
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Hasai
Peasant Male Finland
I want to have your abortion 
You should've bolted - you wouldn't have gotten shot and you'd be $120 bucks "richer."
April 30th 2007, 05:21 PM
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VaultDweller
Peasant Male United States
Wanderer of the Wasteland 
So far my employers haven't offered to reimburse me. However it only happened a few days ago and since then I've only been at college since I work weekends. I'll have to wait and see.

Also I think if I ran no one would have noticed, but I wasn't risking anything unless I was certain.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
April 30th 2007, 07:13 PM
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DaVince
Peasant Male Netherlands steam
Olde Time Dinkere 
It takes effort to stay calm in such a situation already, and a whole lot of guts to actually take such risks, even if the guy had a fake gun. I'm glad the 'adventure' ended well.

Do you know if they ever got caught?
April 30th 2007, 08:42 PM
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VaultDweller
Peasant Male United States
Wanderer of the Wasteland 
No, but I'm sure I'll hear about it from the police.

Strangely the incident wasn't in todays newspaper or on the TV news...

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
May 1st 2007, 01:20 AM
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dinkme
Peasant Male India
 
A strange sort of robbery. Those men had fake firearms, wearing winter clothings in summers and practically taking no money at all. Well anyways, its good that everybody came through unharmed.
May 1st 2007, 03:18 AM
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Chrispy
Peasant Male Canada
I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to.I guess. 
Well, it's not really *that* strange. Odds are, they didn't really prepare, they didn't even have real weapons. That means that they probably are doing it as they go along, so if anything goes awry, they will mess up, as in that sort of situation, one doesn't think straight.
May 1st 2007, 05:37 AM
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carrie2004
Peasant Female Canada
*chomp* 
I'm just glad you're okay and you definitely did the right
thing by cooperating.No amount of money or job is worth dying
for.
May 1st 2007, 11:23 AM
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Hasai
Peasant Male Finland
I want to have your abortion 
Cooperation...these dickmunchers require people to play nice so they can do whatever the hell they want. They aren't playing nice, and neither should you. I hate bringing this up, but don't you think the 9/11 hijackers counted on and required people to cooperate with them?

The truth of the matter is, not that I really fault him for not doing it, but he could've ran, and he would've been fine. He had an opportunity and thought the guns were fake. Even if they were real, even if they had the opportunity to take a shot, they wouldn't have taken it or they'd have missed. They'd be far too scared to shoot since it'd be calling attention to themselves, and get them charged with assault/manslaughter.

Besides, if you were lucky enough to get shot, you'd have a nifty scar to show to all the babes at your local brothel - maybe get a discount.

(btw, I'm leaving for Alaska today, so I may be unable to respond to any foolish rebuttals. In fact, by disagreeing with me while I'm away, you are a terrorist and a coward - and you hate freedom.)
May 1st 2007, 11:55 AM
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SabreTrout
Noble Male United Kingdom
Tigertigertiger. 
Is it possible to headbutt somebody through the internet?

You did the wise thing, Vaultdweller. Even if the guns were fake, it doesn't mean they wouldn't have put you in hospital.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and to make this perfectly clear - I do hate freedom.
May 1st 2007, 12:51 PM
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Striker
Noble United States steam
Daniel, there are clowns. 
Yeah man, what's wrong with you, why didn't you invest your time in totally awesome Ninja combat skills?? I mean, honestly... you could have saved the store and everyone in it with your action hero powers.
May 1st 2007, 12:52 PM
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SabreTrout
Noble Male United Kingdom
Tigertigertiger. 
Maybe he did and he's just being modest?
May 1st 2007, 02:39 PM
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The people on the 9/11 plane to Camp David didn't cooperate but it didn't help THEM much, did it?

Think about the other people in the shop as well, what if the robbers decided to take revenge on them for one escaping? I agree it's not very likely as there is a huge difference between armed robbery and manslaughter or murder. But still, is it worth a risk to anyone for a couple of hundred dollars?

You're not away yet... I see you lurking!
May 1st 2007, 03:00 PM
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Hasai
Peasant Male Finland
I want to have your abortion 
No, I'm not away yet, my ride is coming a lot later than I thought - 3-4 pm. I'm making sure I have all the files I need for this crappy laptop I'm going to be using for 5-6 months.

As for the 9/11 plane to camp david, they did cooperate, at least until they realized they were going to be crashed, only then did they decide to do something - when it was too late. At least they stopped themselves from being used as a human missile and killing way more people - its too bad the people on the other planes didn't do something too.

People get way too worried about "big things," most people are incompetent and selfish - including criminals, believe it or not. They aren't going to kill people for revenge, that would be super retarded. Hell, the women in my family are worried that I'm riding with a total stranger up to Portland, they are afraid he may be a psycho killer or something. People watch too much tv - there isn't a mugging or rape around every corner. Besides, I have a prescription, so my hind-sight is 20/20.
May 1st 2007, 03:13 PM
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There is a huge, huge difference between the 9/11 hijackings and a store hold up. If I'm working at a store, *I don't care* if they lose a few thousand dollars, as long as it's not a regular thing. On the other hand, I do care about not getting shot/beaten. Who would he save by being a cowboy?
May 1st 2007, 03:35 PM
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Hasai
Peasant Male Finland
I want to have your abortion 
Everyone hijacked on 9/11 thought the same thing Milo. "Oh, we'll just get released later, like every other plane has." What I'm saying is, he had the chance to run, he should've taken it, more-so since he thought the guns were fake.

It could've played out far differently than it did, if the police had shown up and surrounded the place, would you want to be in there with a bunch of desperate criminals? Who would he save? Himself. Take charge of your destiny rather than being cattle and calling it wisdom. Cattle get slaughtered.
May 2nd 2007, 12:03 AM
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Striker
Noble United States steam
Daniel, there are clowns. 
Yeah, man... they could have flown the store into like... the gas station.

The point is, everything worked out not too badly.
May 2nd 2007, 09:44 AM
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dinkme
Peasant Male India
 
Vault Dweller did the right thing. Why are you comparing the robbery at the grocery store with the 9/11 incident. That was a well planned assault as in this case, the robbers hadn't planned their course of action at all. Carrie is spot on. There isn't anything precious than life and one shouldn't act the *HERO* if he hasn't been trained or does not have the wit and skill to handle such a situation. There is a difference between movies and real life.
May 2nd 2007, 01:20 PM
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Well, since you've already left, I'm not going to try to debate this. Suffice it to say, I agree with you in principle; I think one must always contemplate all the options including flight, resistance, etc., but I don't agree with you in this case.
May 3rd 2007, 05:58 PM
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VaultDweller
Peasant Male United States
Wanderer of the Wasteland 
I had probably the worst experience of my life today or one of them and it is related to what happened that Saturday evening/ Sunday night.

Today I got a phone call from the police asking me when I could come in to talk to them. I told them today in between my first and second college classes since I have five hour break between. I drove an hour to get there.

The same investigator that was at the scene was there to talk to me. He went over all the information I gave him before and asked me to write a statement. I did write a statement saying everything that happened to me in it.

Then he broke some very unhappy news to me. He told me that under the circumstances of the crime they believe that the three robbers had an "inside man" who helped them. Since I was treated so oddly both by being allowed to follow behind one of the robbers and also being the the last to be put into the freezer as well as being the only one who had their money taken the police thought I was the "inside man". They said it's the only thing that made sense. Since I was allowed to follow the one robber around from behind they obviously trusted me. Since I was left behind at first they obviously didn't feel I was a threat. Worst of all he said to me that after viewing the tape all the other workers were practically dragged or treated roughly through the whole affair except me. I hadn't known that. I knew the one stockworker was bleeding where he got hit in the head, but I didn't know anyone else was treated that way. I just figured they left them alone just like me.

The police investigator was nice about it. He explained in was just a suspicion and they wanted more information. He asked me a lot more questions basically wanting to know why I would be treated so exceptionally well. My answers were basically either "I have no idea" or "In other ways they obviously didn't have a plan so my treatment wasn't sensical either". The investigator told me to wait and he left for some minutes then another man returned. I don't know what his position was, but he was obviously an officer. This guy asked me many more questions, but I got the impression he wanted me to admit to something I didn't do. He told me "I've seen much on that camera that verifies with my experience that you were involved.". He went on to say how as I walked alongside the one robber I was conversing with him. How everyone was mistreated except me. Most of all he said that on the video he did not see at any point any of the robbers take my money. I said I felt terrible that everyone was treated roughly and that I was only being blindly obedient as I followed the robber around. As for the money...I explained to him exactly where and how it happened and that I can only explain that it didn't end up on tape maybe, because the area I was in at the time was in a corner with a camera directly above (with the camera aiming down the hallway and not straight below it). This questioning went on for quite awhile and he did make statements like "I see how nervous you're getting.", "You can get off a lot easier with only a few words.", and "Maybe they approached you beforehand asking you to help and you were afraid.". Eventually he left and after some more minutes I was told I was no longer a suspect and that I could go.

The expression on the investigators face made me think that he's still suspicious, but that he couldn't find any evidence. What's really sad is that I totally agree with him. The entire time since the incident it won't leave my mind even though I've never tried to think about what happened. The main thing that keeps bothering me is what if I had resisted and would I have lived? This eventually led to me questioning why that dumbass let me walk behind him while he was by himself and holding his weapon in one hand. Of course the officer was suspicous. It makes totally no sense that anyone could be that dumb. I was most shocked not by what I already knew, but by the fact that the officer told me everyone was treated roughly except me. I knew the one stockworker got hurt, but I figured everyone else was treated as well as me since no one else was hurt. This makes me want to believe I was a part of it just to explain things that make no sense. I mean I know the guy put me in last, because when he found me he was yelling "No one else is here let's go!" so when he told me to get up I figured he must have forgotten me and found me while leaving.

I've been scared before, but not like this. Growing up I would get blamed for things other kids did, because I was too quiet to speak up and I hated often getting punished for things I didn't do. I always thought it was the worst thing in the world...one person being punished for doing nothing wrong while another evil person was left totally free. Of course back then it was never anything of significance. This time though, I could have went to prison and been as good as dead. No friends, family, education, or fun and all for something I didn't do. I've never felt so bad.

I'm not sure I'll be able to sleep tonight without heavy doses of medicine and I hate using any form of drug. I have finals in a few days and my classes are either barely above a C or barely above a D and the difference in my grades could be pass or fail easily. Really most of the stuff on them will be from the past and I should know that by heart so it probably won't matter.

Hell the investigator was probably suspicous of the fact I didn't take a week off from work or college. I really feel bad for him. I would suspect the exact same thing in his position and he was just doing his job, very well I might add. I just have the grandly horrendous luck of not only being robbed at gunpoint, but then becoming a prime suspect do to mere coincidence brought on by the stupidity of such felons. I'm now hoping they catch the guys not to get the money back they stole from the store as well as to prevent them from hurting anyone in the future, but more so I can get an answer as to why they acted the way they did.

I've been thinking about it so much that I can only come up with one good thing from this and I meant to mention it earlier. So often I've wondered what would happen if I resisted. The gun may or may not have been real. Regardless I may or may not have been able to wrestle it from him. I exercise quite a bit and I do think I'm stronger than most people, but there's no telling the robbers strength with all that heavy clothing. Even if I had subdued and maybe even incapacitated him I didn't know how many other guys there were or if they were armed at that point. However under the circumstances I would rather die fighting a felon and think myself a hero than die in prison especially for something I didn't do. My Uncle is a fervent gun collector and supporter and he has a license to carry and is always armed with a pistol. Once my semester is over and I go to the regular family visits I normally go to when I'm not busy seven days a week I'll ask him to immediately enroll me in some firearm training courses and get me a license. Also I want to check the legality of carrying a knife. I realise most people carry knives usually, because there so handy and you never know when you'll need to cut something, but I have no idea if it's ok or not.

I feel bad for the cops just as much as for myself. They were only doing what was obvious and proper and so was I.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller

*EDIT*

Oh I forgot to mention that when I thought about being armed before todays interview I decided against it due to the fact that I'd never kill anyone except in blind uncontrollable anger which I'd no doubt regret. I have sinced changed my mind.
May 3rd 2007, 07:11 PM
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Chrispy
Peasant Male Canada
I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to.I guess. 
Er... I'm not sure, but don't you have the right to an appointed lawyer while being questioned? I know I sure as all heck wouldn't want to face an investigator by myself.
May 3rd 2007, 08:44 PM
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Well, it would seem kind of suspicious if he asked for a lawyer when he hasn't been charged with anything :/

VD, keep in mind, if you had killed the guy, you would almost certainly be spending several years in jail. Or you'd get hit with a wrongful death lawsuit or something, and have to give a large chunk of your income to some the his family for the rest of your life. There was a famous case where a guy who was being mugged shot his attackers and ended up losing a $10 million dollar lawsuit.
May 3rd 2007, 09:00 PM
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rabidwolf9
Peasant Male United States steam
twitch.tv/rabidwolf9 
Maybe shooting someone would be a little over the top, but having a taser, mace or something the along those lines would probably be good. It wouldn't do any permanent damage, and should certainly give you the means to be in control of the situation.
May 3rd 2007, 10:24 PM
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Chrispy
Peasant Male Canada
I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to.I guess. 
He's already past the suspicion point methinks. And if it *was* an inside job, well, it almost looks like he's being set up, no? And calling for a lawyer doesn't make you suspicious, it lets you avoid questions that contain logical fallacies. After a hour or more of questioning, a person can slip up, most people don't get trained to resist psychological intimidation.
May 4th 2007, 12:13 AM
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Yeah, that's a good point.
May 4th 2007, 05:34 PM
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VaultDweller
Peasant Male United States
Wanderer of the Wasteland 
Thanks guys. I'm feeling ok today. In fact it's the first day since the incident I woke up without first thinking about what happened.

I'm very glad since this whole week I've had severe problems concentrating. It seems I spend half of my time doing anything with my mind just going over everything that happened even though I have no intention of trying to remember.

It actual makes me feel good since I need to study for finals and also to make up for any time I missed this past week not, because I missed any college, but since I had trouble paying attention.

That's very troubling Milobones. Had I a gun I certainly should have shot him while that one guy had his back to me. With him turned around and not even pointing a weapon at me that would have most likely been considered murder and not self-defense.

Of course that begs the question of "What is self-defense?". I guess it's the problem I mentioned I think in my first post that the only way to know you'll be hurt is if it already happened and then it'll be too late.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
May 4th 2007, 08:29 PM
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DinkDude95
Peasant Male Australia steam
The guy with the cute D-Mod. 
My meaning of self-defense is when someone attacks you and you either break a bone or two in their body. By the way, school is the best way to get your mind of things that has happened to you. Or you could jump off a cliff. That would work to.

Just kidding. It's just horrible what happened to you Vault! That's terrible! I hope my little joke didn't offend you.
May 4th 2007, 10:35 PM
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VaultDweller
Peasant Male United States
Wanderer of the Wasteland 
No I'm not offended.

I do throw myself into work when I'm stressed. At least this way I can feel worried, but also feel accomplished.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
May 4th 2007, 10:47 PM
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DinkDude95
Peasant Male Australia steam
The guy with the cute D-Mod. 
Phew, you're not offended!

Yeah, it's better to feel worried or accomplished isn't it.
May 5th 2007, 12:22 AM
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Striker
Noble United States steam
Daniel, there are clowns. 
Of course that begs the question of "What is self-defense?"

It all depends on what state and/or country you're in. You might have been okay in someplace like Texas, but not in New York. I was actually rather surprised at what I couldn't legally do to an attacker when I was in New York. In Indiana... you could beat them till they were "incapacitated".
May 5th 2007, 12:41 AM
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Chrispy
Peasant Male Canada
I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to.I guess. 
Here in Canada you can't do pretty much anything if they are running away. Even if they have everything you own. I understand the ideology behind it, and sorta agree with it, but there's always going to be debate about a set of laws that are more situated to something within a town (Don't chase them down and shoot at them, you can hurt a bystander) as opposed to the countryside (They've still got another couple klicks before they are off your land)
May 5th 2007, 04:28 AM
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DinkDude95
Peasant Male Australia steam
The guy with the cute D-Mod. 
I live in Australia and over here we don't have as many gansters and punks as you guys in the USA.

We can walk the streets and hang out with our friends knowing that the chances of some freak jumping out with an AK-47 and shooting us to death then pulling out a knife and chopping off our arms and legs and ripping out our organs is pretty slim. But it does happen. Well, actually that doesn't happen much.

But there are still robberies over here in Australia. They're getting worse and worse. I can't believe what the world's coming to these days! People don't like being robbed right? Then why do they rob other people? A year or two ago some friends of mine got robbed. Fortunately their insurance paid for most of it. But they lost a ton of stuff.

That same year my grandparents got robbed. They now have a state of the art security system that not even me with my extremmely high IQ of 9837, (Well maybe it's not that high) could figure out how to use.

So all I'm trying to say is that, too many people are becoming idiots these days and doing crazy stuff and I think something should be done.

If only there was some way to educate these crazy phsycos from an early age so they don't grow up to be maniacs...
May 5th 2007, 09:59 AM
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SabreTrout
Noble Male United Kingdom
Tigertigertiger. 
People don't like being robbed right? Then why do they rob other people?

To get free stuff?
May 5th 2007, 12:00 PM
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Chrispy
Peasant Male Canada
I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to.I guess. 
Because to get caught is extremely rare?
May 7th 2007, 12:54 AM
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DinkDude95
Peasant Male Australia steam
The guy with the cute D-Mod. 
To get free stuff?

So! They don't like being robbed. They don't like free stuff being taken from them. So why do they take free stuff from others!?

Because to get caught is extremely rare?

Not true. Well not true over here in Australia anyway. Well not where I live. The two gangs that robbed my grandparents and our friends (Two different gangs had no association with each other. Didn't know who the other gang was. Two different suburbs/towns) Both those gangs got caught. They're still in jail.

*mumble* Oh if I ever get my hands on them...
May 7th 2007, 05:15 AM
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SabreTrout
Noble Male United Kingdom
Tigertigertiger. 
So! They don't like being robbed. They don't like free stuff being taken from them. So why do they take free stuff from others!?

What kind of logic is that? Most murderers don't like being murdered, but it doesn't stop them murdering people, does it?

And yes, getting caught is extremely rare, Just 'cos you have two cases where people got arrested, that doesn't mean it's the norm.

Finally, if you ever managed to get your hands on those gangs, it's pretty likely you'd get the crap beaten out of you.
May 11th 2007, 02:43 AM
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DinkDude95
Peasant Male Australia steam
The guy with the cute D-Mod. 
Yeah yeah, whatever. But I must say, I haven't heard of too many cases over here in Australia where people haven't got caught.