Are humans monogamous or polygamous?
What do you think.
I believe we are monogamous by nature.
I believe we are monogamous by nature.
No. Polygamous. Monogamy is a social creation. There is nothing in nature that tells us to stay with one partner for the rest of our life. There are very few monogamous animals and the majority of them are birds. This is usually due to facultative(Male chooses to stay with female because he has no other opportunities) or obligate(When both parents are needed to ensure the survival of the kids).
I don't know of any reason why humans would be monogamous by nature. It's all based on nurture.
I don't know of any reason why humans would be monogamous by nature. It's all based on nurture.
I think it can go either way, it depends on the person's mind. I think you should stick with the waifu you get though 
It's actually better evolution-wise to be polygamous. It diversifies the genes which helps to create better resistance to diseases and the like.
No leprechaun that's not true.
Monogamy has more of a survival advantage even in nature let's say a mammoth or a sabre tooth tiger is around a woman is alone with a child if there is another parent to protect the child the chances of survival are greater.
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Monogamy has more of a survival advantage even in nature let's say a mammoth or a sabre tooth tiger is around a woman is alone with a child if there is another parent to protect the child the chances of survival are greater.
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That is an obligate reason and that is created socially.
Also what does the mammoth and sabre tooth example prove for humans? What you're describing is how monogamy helps protect the young when a species is being threatened by a predator. But humans -being at the top of the food chain- have no predators and that makes the point you're trying to get across irrelevant to the discussion.
And the articles you posted don't disprove my point that obligate monogamy is created by social factors. They simply cover the point that animals do form monogamous relationships in order to protect their kin. I'm not disputing that. I'm simply saying that when animals feel the necessity to do that it is because of social reasons. Not because of genetic factors.
When you said humans are monogamous by nature, you're saying that it is in our genetic structure that we mate for life. Which is wrong.
And the articles you posted don't disprove my point that obligate monogamy is created by social factors. They simply cover the point that animals do form monogamous relationships in order to protect their kin. I'm not disputing that. I'm simply saying that when animals feel the necessity to do that it is because of social reasons. Not because of genetic factors.
When you said humans are monogamous by nature, you're saying that it is in our genetic structure that we mate for life. Which is wrong.
Also what does the mammoth and sabre tooth example prove for humans? What you're describing is how monogamy helps protect the young when a species is being threatened by a predator. But humans -being at the top of the food chain- have no predators and that makes the point you're trying to get across irrelevant to the discussion.
Pologamy has only become efficient during the last couple of thousands of years.
Before that Monogamy was simply a more effient way of living.
A bit like Humans are naturally omnivorous but living in vegetarian diet is viable option due to modern conveniences.
Hey im not saying you yourself leprechaun cant be Pologamus(that's up to your misses do decide)
Well Socializing is apart of human nature you just proved my point.
You want more evidence?
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Pologamy has only become efficient during the last couple of thousands of years.
Before that Monogamy was simply a more effient way of living.
A bit like Humans are naturally omnivorous but living in vegetarian diet is viable option due to modern conveniences.
Hey im not saying you yourself leprechaun cant be Pologamus(that's up to your misses do decide)
Well Socializing is apart of human nature you just proved my point.
You want more evidence?
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Pologamy has only become efficient during the last couple of thousands of years.
Before that Monogamy was simply a more effient way of living.
Where did you get that information?
A bit like Humans are naturally omnivorous but living in vegetarian diet is viable option due to modern conveniences.
This is a social creation.
Well Socializing is apart of human nature you just proved my point.
Do you understand what nature versus nurture is?
Before that Monogamy was simply a more effient way of living.
Where did you get that information?
A bit like Humans are naturally omnivorous but living in vegetarian diet is viable option due to modern conveniences.
This is a social creation.
Well Socializing is apart of human nature you just proved my point.
Do you understand what nature versus nurture is?
Click on the links that ive gave you.
I did. They don't disprove the point that monogamy comes from nurture. Which is all I'm arguing but you don't seem to understand that.
Did watch you watch the video
Did you see the brain scan?
How about the part where the dads testosterone levels drop when being a parent a bit like when birds testosterone drops when becoming a parent thats natures way of ensuring greater survival hood for the child
Abit like humans are bipedal by nature yet when have either disabled people or lazy people using wheelchairs.
Did you see the brain scan?
How about the part where the dads testosterone levels drop when being a parent a bit like when birds testosterone drops when becoming a parent thats natures way of ensuring greater survival hood for the child
Abit like humans are bipedal by nature yet when have either disabled people or lazy people using wheelchairs.
Genes don't create behaviors. Genes did not create monogamy.
Becoming the parent is the factor there. The reaction is not about the father's relationship with the mother. It's simply about becoming a father. The father could go out and have another kid with someone else and his genes would react the same way.
Becoming the parent is the factor there. The reaction is not about the father's relationship with the mother. It's simply about becoming a father. The father could go out and have another kid with someone else and his genes would react the same way.
Becoming the parent is the factor there. The reaction is not about the father's relationship with the mother. It's simply about becoming a father. The father could go out and have another kid with someone else and his genes would react the same way.
And what happens the kid if the father isnt there to protect him from animals like mammoths and sabre tooth cats.
Whats next your going tell me that women arent meant to bear children by nature its just a social construct HUH?
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Are these links good enough to you to understand?
And what happens the kid if the father isnt there to protect him from animals like mammoths and sabre tooth cats.
Whats next your going tell me that women arent meant to bear children by nature its just a social construct HUH?
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Are these links good enough to you to understand?
Polygamous, without a doubt. If you want proof, all you really need to do is look at all the divorces/break-ups that happen.
While those are certainly interesting, the findings haven't actually been confirmed yet. Try again when they are.
It's still not clear how the vasopressin gene affects bonding in humans. When voles interact, the gene activates reward and reinforcement areas of the brain that are also involved in addiction, Young said. In humans, the brain chemical primarily regulates water retention in the body. Recently vasopressin has been linked to aggression and blood pressure.
It's still not clear how the vasopressin gene affects bonding in humans. When voles interact, the gene activates reward and reinforcement areas of the brain that are also involved in addiction, Young said. In humans, the brain chemical primarily regulates water retention in the body. Recently vasopressin has been linked to aggression and blood pressure.
Polygamous. Monogamy is a social structure created by society for some reason. For instance, I was raised with the notion of man and wife and nothing else, yet I see people attempting polygamous or 'non-standard' relationships that defy what I was taught. They likely were taught the man and wife dynamic I was, yet they defy it out of love or lust.
Now, in the aspect of love, that is a person being attracted to multiple people all at once and sharing with them themselves.
In the aspect of lust, that's a person having sex with other people in desire for the act itself.
Now, these people tend to be shunned because everyone around them has been raised with the man and woman dynamic, and often they fail because their chosen mates were raised with the same dynamic.
In the case of non-standard relationships, such as homosexual relationships, it is shunned due to it defying the man and wife dynamic, in spite of most of them following a monogamous dynamic (due to monogamy being the societal norm), simply because they do not follow the man and wife dynamic.
Now, in the aspect of love, that is a person being attracted to multiple people all at once and sharing with them themselves.
In the aspect of lust, that's a person having sex with other people in desire for the act itself.
Now, these people tend to be shunned because everyone around them has been raised with the man and woman dynamic, and often they fail because their chosen mates were raised with the same dynamic.
In the case of non-standard relationships, such as homosexual relationships, it is shunned due to it defying the man and wife dynamic, in spite of most of them following a monogamous dynamic (due to monogamy being the societal norm), simply because they do not follow the man and wife dynamic.
Saying something is natural by genetics is always a bit sketchy, because it requires an in-depth knowledge of exactly how the genes work. We can't just do studies on how people react because the environment is ALWAYS a factor.
As for which stance seems to be more common in the average society, polygamy is probably that. But that doesn't necessarily prove that monogamy is not also just as natural (but just used for different situations). It's true that society is a big influence here and that falls under the "nurture" spectrum. But the genes are partially what allows these different options to exist in the first place, right?
Basically I kind of agree with you guys but there is always the question of "what does it actually mean for something to be natural".
As for which stance seems to be more common in the average society, polygamy is probably that. But that doesn't necessarily prove that monogamy is not also just as natural (but just used for different situations). It's true that society is a big influence here and that falls under the "nurture" spectrum. But the genes are partially what allows these different options to exist in the first place, right?
Basically I kind of agree with you guys but there is always the question of "what does it actually mean for something to be natural".
@KrisKnox
And I guess Birds which are nearly 90% Monogamus is created by a social structure HUH?
And I guess Birds which are nearly 90% Monogamus is created by a social structure HUH?
It's amazing how you can take something and completely ignore what it says. Simply amazing. Or, perhaps, you are contrary simply for the sake of being contrary.
Regardless.
What I had stated was monogamy is a social structure, birds are not a social structure, they are an animal. You cannot create animals from social structures, because social structures are concepts, and birds are organisms.
Regardless.
What I had stated was monogamy is a social structure, birds are not a social structure, they are an animal. You cannot create animals from social structures, because social structures are concepts, and birds are organisms.
Humans begins are organisms too.
Monogamy isnt anymore of a social structure then polygamy.
Monogamy isnt anymore of a social structure then polygamy.
So too is a fear of sex.
So too is a fear of sex.
Yes.
Yes.
I think I can offer the definitive answer here. I am not just a man, I'm The Man, and my bread and butter is swimming in pussies. I'm surrounded by eight pussies as we speak. Oh wait... those are my pets.
I like those fuzzy things.
i have 93 wives.
(also, monogamy seems pretty nature based to me. what the heck are you on about)
(also, monogamy seems pretty nature based to me. what the heck are you on about)
humans are homosapiens not monogamous
As someone who tried briefly in earlier in their life to be monogamous and absolutely hated it, I can assure you that all of humanity is not "naturally" monogamous. I'm far more comfortable in polyamorous arrangements than I ever was in monogamy. I know quite a few other people who are this way, too. I also know quite a number of people that are comfortable in either monogamous or polyamorous relationships.
That said, and as it's already been stated, the premise of the question is flawed. A lot of what we assume to be inherent to "human behavior" simply isn't. Humans have a massive amount of variety in their preferences and traits and I see no reason why a tendency towards mono or poly would be any different.
That said, and as it's already been stated, the premise of the question is flawed. A lot of what we assume to be inherent to "human behavior" simply isn't. Humans have a massive amount of variety in their preferences and traits and I see no reason why a tendency towards mono or poly would be any different.
@Striker:
As someone who tried briefly in earlier in their life to be monogamous and absolutely hated it, I can assure you that all of humanity is not "naturally" monogamous. I'm far more comfortable in polyamorous arrangements than I ever was in monogamy. I know quite a few other people who are this way, too. I also know quite a number of people that are comfortable in either monogamous or polyamorous relationships.
That said, and as it's already been stated, the premise of the question is flawed. A lot of what we assume to be inherent to "human behavior" simply isn't. Humans have a massive amount of variety in their preferences and traits and I see no reason why a tendency towards mono or poly would be any different.
Well said!
As someone who tried briefly in earlier in their life to be monogamous and absolutely hated it, I can assure you that all of humanity is not "naturally" monogamous. I'm far more comfortable in polyamorous arrangements than I ever was in monogamy. I know quite a few other people who are this way, too. I also know quite a number of people that are comfortable in either monogamous or polyamorous relationships.
That said, and as it's already been stated, the premise of the question is flawed. A lot of what we assume to be inherent to "human behavior" simply isn't. Humans have a massive amount of variety in their preferences and traits and I see no reason why a tendency towards mono or poly would be any different.
Well said!
