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Posted by SimonK on 06/06/02 - 16:03:06

Hey DethLord,

The graphics pack for SOB is in bmp format. The original release of SOB the graphics were ff'd so therefore not available as individual files.

That is why I released the graphics pack.

Pretty simple, huh?

And to anticipate your review of SOB desert tiles. I have redone these in two formats, one a direct copy of the tiles from SOB and one in which in which they are put together as 3 new tiles to replace existing ones.

I'm Sorry will you forgive me! ;)

Posted by DethLord on 06/07/02 - 11:54:20

Simon K.

Lately I've been really harsh on reviews. People said I should be a little bit more harsh and less on the lenient side. Then I just went overboard. This has nothing to do with you giving me low score on my files. I've rewritten your Stone of Balance Desert Tiles Review, Stone of Balance Source, and Stone of Balance Graphics file. All of them I looked through again and I gave you B (8.5 / 10) :) for the Stone of Balance Desert tiles, Stone of Balance Source I gave it a B+ (8.9 / 10) :), and I gave Stone of Balance Graphics file a B+ (8.9 / 10) :) I am terribly sorry that I've been a bit harsh on your files. I think I should review in the middle which is not too harsh or too lenient. The Isle of Croth review stands because due to the bug at that one part of the game which resulted me in starting over and still occured at that point. Also it was too difficult towards the end after the underground town, but the boss was easy though. ;) The Stone of Balance review stands also because the review score are the average of the 7 stories. Without Story 2 and 4, it was indeed a great epic dmod. I personally did not like story 2 and 4 and may be one of the few, but that is my opinion. ;)

Again I'm terribly sorry that I was extremely harsh on your files. Will you forgive me. :) We are not perfect like a robot and we all make mistakes like the scandal between Sabretrout vs Jamie, the whole theprophet issue, etc. Each issue has been resolved peacefully, well sort of. ;) If you don't want me here (that goes for people who are reading this message), I'll leave Dink for good.

- DethLord

Yes

Posted by SimonK on 06/07/02 - 19:02:06

All is forgiven. All I want is consistancy. And I apologise as well, normally I don't behave in such an immature way. Time to correct those reviews of mine.

And time to go back to playing/authoring DMODs

:p

Re: I'm Sorry will you forgive me! ;) NO!

Posted by joshriot on 06/07/02 - 15:18:51

not being a robot is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE. you are not forgiven. failure calls for DEATH! i dont want to hear from you again, "dethlord," or i will personally dispose of you myself. master shreader does not sympathize with your kind. so the answer (will you forgive me!;)) is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! YOU WILL BE BEATEN LIKE A SAVAGE FOR YOUR TRANSGRESSIONS. DINK IS NOT PLAYTIME. THIS IS NO GAME, GENTLEMEN... YOU ARE IN FOR IT!!! DINK = POWER!

Re: I'm Sorry will you forgive me! ;) NO!

Posted by theprophet on 06/07/02 - 16:19:01

: not being a robot is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE. you are not forgiven. failure calls for DEATH! i dont want to hear from you again, "dethlord," or i will personally dispose of you myself. master shreader does not sympathize with your kind. so the answer (will you forgive me!;)) is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! YOU WILL BE BEATEN LIKE A SAVAGE FOR YOUR TRANSGRESSIONS. DINK IS NOT PLAYTIME. THIS IS NO GAME, GENTLEMEN... YOU ARE IN FOR IT!!! DINK = POWER!

:

yeah, a new idea, Ill post a screenshot or picture of dethlord in my dmod with this text above: Shooting practice: head = 10 points eyes = 20 points hands/legs = 5 points, uhm ( secret word ) = 1000 points.

Re: I'm Sorry will you forgive me! ;) NO!

Posted by SabreTrout on 06/08/02 - 01:19:21

: yeah, a new idea, Ill post a screenshot or picture of dethlord in my dmod with this text above: Shooting practice: head = 10 points eyes = 20 points hands/legs = 5 points, uhm ( secret word ) = 1000 points.

Or maybe I could just get a picture of Dethlord, put it away in a drawer so t does not get hurt, and club you to death with my keyboard. Just a suggestion...

Re: I'm Sorry will you forgive me! ;) NO!

Posted by theprophet on 06/08/02 - 02:10:57

: : yeah, a new idea, Ill post a screenshot or picture of dethlord in my dmod with this text above: Shooting practice: head = 10 points eyes = 20 points hands/legs = 5 points, uhm ( secret word ) = 1000 points.

: Or maybe I could just get a picture of Dethlord, put it away in a drawer so t does not get hurt, and club you to death with my keyboard. Just a suggestion...

:o

Re: I'm Sorry will you forgive me! ;)

Posted by SabreTrout on 06/07/02 - 13:03:10

: Mistakes like the scandal between Sabretrout vs Jamie

That was NO mistake!!! Everything that was done (His e-mailing people about me, and my uhhh....what did I do again?) was completely on purpose!! If there was a mistake it would surely have been a misunderstood comment, but I don't see where that could have happened.

And don't think I'm just dragging up the argument again, but I REALLY do want to know what Jamies has against me, as I don't think I have done anything to him.

(sign...)

Posted by mimifish on 06/07/02 - 12:42:39

This is a unavoidable problem: when a reviewer is an author, too. That's why you cannot be a player and a referee at the same game.

It is very hard for reviewers to do the right thing when their own files were involved. I believed DethLord's low scores for SOB packs were probably due to the release of SOB's desert tiles right after his release of desert tiles. To be honesty, they are better than Dethlord's file, and DethLord might know it, too. He probably felt offended so that he decided to change some of his reviews toward SimonK's files...

I don't know if authors should be prevented from reviewing their own files, but maybe authors' reviews should be separated from others. Or Redink1 should implode anthoer feature to take away the highest and lowest scores for the average if a file was reviewed more than 3 times.

As for Dethlord, I don't think anyone wants you to leave, not even SimonK I assume. ;) SimonK did some bad (retaliation) reviews for Dethlord's files, too. I thought SimonK was too old to act like this. ;)

Re: DethLord

Posted by ehasl on 06/06/02 - 22:47:17

: Hey DethLord,

: The graphics pack for SOB is in bmp format. The original release of SOB the graphics were ff'd so therefore not available as individual files.

: That is why I released the graphics pack.

: Pretty simple, huh?

The full source should have been included in the D-Mod!

Why?

Posted by SimonK on 06/07/02 - 01:05:13

: The full source should have been included in the D-Mod!

An author is under no obligation to release any part of his work if he/she chooses not to. As this work is done for nothing, without any return coming from the players who benefit from it, then it is the author's choice to make original graphics available or not.

The same can be said for source code (although there are various decoding programs that can read .d files).

I prefer not to release original graphics or source code until a couple of months after the original DMOD is released. That is my right and choice, if you can't respect that, well....

playsound(66, 22050, 0, 0, 0);

:p

Re: Why?

Posted by SabreTrout on 06/07/02 - 01:47:18

I may be your choice, but I think it's the wrong one. I think everybody should always release source with a d-mod, as it makes it simpler for the player to check how you did something quickly, and thus improving their scripting skills. This will lead to more and better d-mods.

That's why! (and even if you don't agree with what I just said, and I'm not sure I do, you still should release source with the original file):o

Re: Why?

Posted by PureEvil on 06/07/02 - 05:56:14

I am squarly with Simon on this. Authors choice. He isn't the only one that releases the code after the DMOD. Silly petty reviews that put down the graphics in SOB are completely without merit. The particicular member that reviewed the SOB graphic pack as an F is throwing away any credibility he had in my opinion. SOB was loaded with new and inivative graphics that deserve better than a petty review from someone that prides himself on being a fair reviewer. If the reviewer in question doesn't change or modify his review for the SOB graphics pack, than he has lost all credibilty with me.

Re: Why?

Posted by ehasl on 06/07/02 - 06:16:02

: I am squarly with Simon on this. Authors choice. He isn't the only one that releases the code after the DMOD. Silly petty reviews that put down the graphics in SOB are completely without merit. The particicular member that reviewed the SOB graphic pack as an F is throwing away any credibility he had in my opinion. SOB was loaded with new and inivative graphics that deserve better than a petty review from someone that prides himself on being a fair reviewer. If the reviewer in question doesn't change or modify his review for the SOB graphics pack, than he has lost all credibilty with me.

Releasing source files separately is only an easy way to get more points! As long as I, and DethLord, want the source files together with the D-Mods, I will not help other authors get points they have already got! HAH! ;)

This is about points?!

Posted by PureEvil on 06/07/02 - 07:01:14

Sorry, but i disagree ehasl. I'm quite sure that Simon's release of the graphics has nothing to do with points. Hell, he released SOB in Dec of 2000; there was certainly no point system in effect then that I remember. So he wasn't holding out back than in anticipation that some lucky day there would be a point system that could award him a few more points. I think even redink releases the source after everyone has had a good long time to play the DMOD. This is all kind of off subject though. Read the reviews I mentioned and tell me they are not way out of line. In fact, I'm sure you could take the silly points away from Simon for the graphics and he wouldn't care. He released them to benifit the community, not to score points.

Holding out on source code is a good topic, and one well covered in one of Kyle's discusions. Look at the discusion again from the archives, and you'll see everyone had an opinion.

But the reviewer in question completly low-balled his scores on awesome graphics for unknown and unimaginable reasons. The reviewer said the score was low because the graphics were already in the DMOD. If this was his reasoning than why did he give the source from Mystery Island and the original Dink Smallwood an 8.5 and a 9.0 respectively? And if he has no bias against Simon (who the hell could)than why is Simon's Isle of Croth rated lower then some unfinished DMOD's he has reviewed?

It's okay for a reviewer to have 'high standards', but shouldn't he be consistant too?

Re: This is about points?!

Posted by ehasl on 06/07/02 - 07:36:30

: Sorry, but i disagree ehasl. I'm quite sure that Simon's release of the graphics has nothing to do with points. Hell, he released SOB in Dec of 2000; there was certainly no point system in effect then that I remember. So he wasn't holding out back than in anticipation that some lucky day there would be a point system that could award him a few more points. I think even redink releases the source after everyone has had a good long time to play the DMOD. This is all kind of off subject though. Read the reviews I mentioned and tell me they are not way out of line. In fact, I'm sure you could take the silly points away from Simon for the graphics and he wouldn't care. He released them to benifit the community, not to score points.

That doesn't matter, because he will still get the points he hasn't actually deserved.

: Holding out on source code is a good topic, and one well covered in one of Kyle's discusions. Look at the discusion again from the archives, and you'll see everyone had an opinion.

: But the reviewer in question completly low-balled his scores on awesome graphics for unknown and unimaginable reasons. The reviewer said the score was low because the graphics were already in the DMOD. If this was his reasoning than why did he give the source from Mystery Island and the original Dink Smallwood an 8.5 and a 9.0 respectively? And if he has no bias against Simon (who the hell could)than why is Simon's Isle of Croth rated lower then some unfinished DMOD's he has reviewed?

: It's okay for a reviewer to have 'high standards', but shouldn't he be consistant too?

I agree here. Good, epic D-Mods should get higher scores than quests too, even if the quests are better in average. this is because the rankings page has a top file list, only based on the average review score. I think "the reviewer" (DethLord :p) should give a bit higher scores for the source files, because not everybody wants to download SOB, if they only want the graphics, for example. The fact that the source of SOB isn't included with the D-Mod, though, should not change the scores.

Re: Why?

Posted by redink1 on 06/07/02 - 06:53:16

: : I am squarly with Simon on this. Authors choice. He isn't the only one that releases the code after the DMOD. Silly petty reviews that put down the graphics in SOB are completely without merit. The particicular member that reviewed the SOB graphic pack as an F is throwing away any credibility he had in my opinion. SOB was loaded with new and inivative graphics that deserve better than a petty review from someone that prides himself on being a fair reviewer. If the reviewer in question doesn't change or modify his review for the SOB graphics pack, than he has lost all credibilty with me.

: Releasing source files separately is only an easy way to get more points! As long as I, and DethLord, want the source files together with the D-Mods, I will not help other authors get points they have already got! HAH! ;)

Funny, releasing source code gets you the least points using the Magic Formula. Well... reviews will usually be lower, but on the scale of files it is the lowest. And Graphics Packs and the like are second-lowest.

And I agree with Simon, releasing the source a month or more after a D-Mod makes more sense (duh, I did that with FIAT).

Re: Why?

Posted by SabreTrout on 06/07/02 - 10:32:03

: And I agree with Simon, releasing the source a month or more after a D-Mod makes more sense (duh, I did that with FIAT).

I must disagree with you there! Dethlord has been harsh on SimonK in my opinion, as you can tell by my review of the desert tiles being exactly 10 times the score of Dethlords!

However, on the topic of source code, I do think it should be released with the d-mod. When I see something that is cool in a d-mod, and if i was wondering how it was achieved, I usually go and check in the source code.

It REALLY annoys me if the source is in .d form, and having to go online and get the source is frustrating. It is a much greater service to the community if the source is with the d-mod in the first place.

And on the subject of rivalries, I think me and ehasl should become the "Official Rivalry

Co-ordintors" as we are experts in the ways of arguing. :)

Re: Why?

Posted by dinkaholic on 06/07/02 - 11:40:41

: : And I agree with Simon, releasing the source a month or more after a D-Mod makes more sense (duh, I did that with FIAT).

: I must disagree with you there! Dethlord has been harsh on SimonK in my opinion, as you can tell by my review of the desert tiles being exactly 10 times the score of Dethlords!

: However, on the topic of source code, I do think it should be released with the d-mod. When I see something that is cool in a d-mod, and if i was wondering how it was achieved, I usually go and check in the source code.

: It REALLY annoys me if the source is in .d form, and having to go online and get the source is frustrating. It is a much greater service to the community if the source is with the d-mod in the first place.

: And on the subject of rivalries, I think me and ehasl should become the "Official Rivalry

: Co-ordintors" as we are experts in the ways of arguing. :)

Carefull guys, demanding source code could lead to "you want it, you pay for it." Be content

with what you get.

Re: Why?

Posted by imacrazyguy on 06/07/02 - 10:35:14

And you're going to leave me out of this, eh?;(

Jamie

Re: Why?

Posted by SabreTrout on 06/07/02 - 12:57:06

: And you're going to leave me out of this, eh?;(

: Jamie

Yep

Re: Why?

Posted by Eldron on 06/07/02 - 14:18:42

well, I could easily replicate a thing in a dmod without looking at the source..

Re: Why?

Posted by SabreTrout on 06/08/02 - 01:14:55

: well, I could easily replicate a thing in a dmod without looking at the source..

So could I, usually. But not everything is that easy to figure out.

Re: Why?

Posted by Eldron on 06/08/02 - 02:17:42

: : well, I could easily replicate a thing in a dmod without looking at the source..

: So could I, usually. But not everything is that easy to figure out.

Why the need to figure it out?.. you can always use your own mind to create your own ideas about things..

Re: Why?

Posted by SabreTrout on 06/08/02 - 05:16:23

: : : well, I could easily replicate a thing in a dmod without looking at the source..

: : So could I, usually. But not everything is that easy to figure out.

: Why the need to figure it out?.. you can always use your own mind to create your own ideas about things..

Nowadays I can figure things out (i.e how they did a certain thing in a d-mod) without much trouble. But in my early days of d-mod creation I was mystified by many scripting techniques.

The only way I found to get around this (as I never used a tutorial in my life) was to study a script to see how the creator did something. I just feel that for less experienced scripters that open source is VERY useful indeed.

Re: Why?

Posted by bin on 06/08/02 - 05:51:43

: : : : well, I could easily replicate a thing in a dmod without looking at the source..

: : : So could I, usually. But not everything is that easy to figure out.

: : Why the need to figure it out?.. you can always use your own mind to create your own ideas about things..

: Nowadays I can figure things out (i.e how they did a certain thing in a d-mod) without much trouble. But in my early days of d-mod creation I was mystified by many scripting techniques.

: The only way I found to get around this (as I never used a tutorial in my life) was to study a script to see how the creator did something. I just feel that for less experienced scripters that open source is VERY useful indeed.

I must agree on that one. If it weren't for the open source scripts (in the zipfile from the cd) from the original Dink, I would've had a much tougher time trying to figure everyting out.

Re: Why?

Posted by SabreTrout on 06/08/02 - 07:41:48

: I must agree on that one. If it weren't for the open source scripts (in the zipfile from the cd) from the original Dink, I would've had a much tougher time trying to figure everyting out.

Thanks for backing me up bin!

By the way, have you beat the secret in CC yet?

It's not easy!!!

Re: Why?

Posted by bin on 06/08/02 - 09:10:08

: : I must agree on that one. If it weren't for the open source scripts (in the zipfile from the cd) from the original Dink, I would've had a much tougher time trying to figure everyting out.

: Thanks for backing me up bin!

: By the way, have you beat the secret in CC yet?

: It's not easy!!!

Well... just telling the truth!

Anduh... Dunno yet... Gave the holy man some wine, got his blessing but the totempole won't do anything.:( Decided though to submit the review anyway - since I played the entire game. And I thought it was really, really... ah ah... read review! ;)

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