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Dink Solutions madness: updates/mirror/health
Dukie's Dink Solutions website is now correctly reachable at:

http://solutions.dinksmallwood.net - it seems Tiscali eventually fixed his webservers.



Because Dukie did not replied yet to my e-mails, I uploaded an updated version at:

http://www.dinkfr.ovh.org/walks/en/

The End of Time v2 walkthrough is at last available :)

I also uploaded Tyrsis' As Good As Eternity walkthrough as she nicely noticed me about it.





For those interested:

- a dutch version by Simeon at http://www.dinkfr.ovh.org/walks/nl/

- a french version at http://www.dinkfr.ovh.org/soluces/





Since nor Dukie nor me (as a walkthroughs author) was asked before the walkthroughs were 'mirrored' (not after, in fact), I have to point out that I at least do *not* want my new walkthrough to be mirrored.

Fair enough, I guess.
My site is only for English version not French or Dutch
: Dukie's Dink Solutions website is now correctly reachable at:

: http://solutions.dinksmallwood.net - it seems Tiscali eventually fixed his webservers.

: Because Dukie did not replied yet to my e-mails, I uploaded an updated version at:

: http://www.dinkfr.ovh.org/walks/en/

: The End of Time v2 walkthrough is at last available :)

: I also uploaded Tyrsis' As Good As Eternity walkthrough as she nicely noticed me about it.

: For those interested:

: - a dutch version by Simeon at http://www.dinkfr.ovh.org/walks/nl/

: - a french version at http://www.dinkfr.ovh.org/soluces/

: Since nor Dukie nor me (as a walkthroughs author) was asked before the walkthroughs were 'mirrored' (not after, in fact), I have to point out that I at least do *not* want my new walkthrough to be mirrored.

: Fair enough, I guess.



Beuc,



How about you take care of the walkthroughs for the French and Dutch version while I take care of the walkthroughs for the English version. Sounds fair. :) That way there is no conflict between the two.



- DethLord





Long Reply
: How about you take care of the walkthroughs for the French and Dutch version while I take care

: of the walkthroughs for the English version. Sounds fair.  That way there is no conflict

: between the two.

----- I reply here because the other topic is at the very bottom of the page :)

: : I think when anybody makes a website and places there some collection

: : must know that it will be downloaded and may be displayed elsewhere.

: : Duplicating information is not a crime.

:

: My site is only as a backup site to begin with. Just incase if Dink

: Solutions goes down the other source is up.

:

: : Some rules apply here: you must mention the source and preferably

: : make some credits message (thanks to authors, collectors, etc.)

:

: If you look at my walkthrough page, I did give credit to the

: walkthrough authors. Every walkthrough up there has been credited

: including Dink Smallwood hints by Dukie. I ALWAYS cite my sources.

: If you don't believe me see for yourself. I am not going to give up

: in the walkthrough battle. No matter how negative Beuc says about

: my site, I'm still keeping it up. I'm not doing anything wrong.

: I'm just helping out the community!





Just stop trying to appropriate the Dink Solutions!

If you want to have more visitors to your website, just make something original.

No mirror is needed (and is easy enough to make in 2 hours), nor to duplicate any existing website (The Dink Woods, The Dink World... all more or less copies of the Dink Network, and none survived). To help the community, rather concentrate on a DMod - that's the main goal.

That what I would like to do instead of writing all like >(



Besides, the sources are cited, but nobody was asked, which is wrong.





Dukie may only be in exams for several weeks, and his website can be replaced meanwhile?

Incredible! As far as I'm concerned, I eventually finish my exams and update my version and do the mirror as well.

I though websites were more respected here...







Also, you did not reply to my question:



: Tell me, DethLord, did Dukie and you had a talk about the fact you took all the walkthroughs from his website?



: OK, I will ask the question more precisely:

: Did you had a talk with Dukie about mirroring all the walkthroughs, or not?

: I can't contact it at the moment, and he did not told me about that.



I suggest that no, nobody was asked. In any case, I wasn't asked for my 8 walkthroughs, nor Dukie for his webpages. I just wanted to make sure. I am now.





As for "negative comments", I would like to quote:

> One final note, I wondered if anybody is going to rewrite a Friends Beyond 1

> walkthrough since the one at the Dink Solutions doesn't correspond with the

> most recent version of the game.



If no walkthrough is here yet, the best is to submit one to Dukie.

I remember, my first walkthrough was for the End of the World, because I saw that no one was done yet for it.

If the Dink Solutions do not have a walkthrough, then make it and submit it instead :)



> The main reason why I had walkthroughs up at my site is just incase

> if Dink Solutions does go down, then my site is the backup site for

> walkthroughs.



You flame your own site by yourself, you repeat that it is a mirror.

But meanwhile you want to override the other website and have exclusive walkthroughs.

Something is wrong, isn't it.



> Also half the time I go to Dink Solutions it says forbidden or page not found.



The Dink Solution website has been online for years, and because the host is bought by another company, there are problems for a month. And now it is down "half of the time".

Here, you exaggerate.



> One more thing my site now has 7 walkthroughs not found at Dink Solutions.

Not exactly,

- Tyrsis also offered me to put her nice walkthrough online,

- Simeon already sent his 3 walkthrough to Dukie,

- You made 3 small new walkthroughs for 'ABCDE(...)', 'Baywatch' and 'Kill the Hippies'.





: Dink Solutions == Microsoft

Microsoft is not liked by lots of people. This comparison is quite nasty, I'd say ;(



> Don't worry this is not corrupted as the one at Dink Solutions. :)

[from your website]

I told Dukie about that. What about you?

And I uploaded a non-corrupted version in my versions :)



> Beuc,

When you reply to one of my posts, you obviously talk to me.

No need to take that ceremonious behavior ;)

You do not have to put a signature either, btw.



> with better reliablility from the servers

See above.

I would add that our websites do not have ads, which is better ( Geocities really do not care for its users :( ).







Now let's see my negative remarks:



: And also, why making another walkthrough website when another one is already existing for long (and even translated in French )?



: Anyway, I don't like the idea to separate several websites with the same goal. You have better : chance to make a good website if everybody works for a website, than if several people work on : different websites.



You have to admit that duplicating something to make it independant is a useless effort here, and do not help the community.

Usually, duplicating often happen because the new creator forgot to search if something already existed for his project. Last time it happended, another people was translating Dink. Now, he regurlarly seldom it his translation, I mirror his translation on my website, where he can also post news. We plan to merge our website (when I'll have time to remake my website quite from scratch).





: Since nor Dukie nor me (as a walkthroughs author) was asked before the walkthroughs were : 'mirrored' (not after, in fact), I have to point out that I at least do *not* want my new : walkthrough to be mirrored.



I really do not like, since my very childhood, that somebody take my works.

And even more when I am not asked. I think this is natural, isn't it.





If you want a real negative comment, I'd say that this:

> (C) 2002 by DethLord

is a pity for a website whose main page is a rip of Dukie's (eg and mainly, "If you are looking for walkthroughs then this is the place to be" [from your website] is our motto), with just some word changed and your e-mail added for submission - and with everything copied without asking.









And as for translating a website, it seems you just cannot understood what it is.

Not a fully independant website, to begin.

I do not maintain the Dutch version, Simeon does. I just made the html pages (he sent everything in plain text).





My suggestion is that if you like writing walkthroughs, then contribute to existing collections!

If you want to bring visitors to your website, make something of your own and original.

If you want to have a real conversation, do not omit to reply to some things I wrote.

And if you want to help the community, make something that is needed and was not done yet, such as a DMod :) You sure have the skills for it.

Re: Long Reply
Beuc, I have never talked to you before and am quite good friends with Dethlord, but putting that aside...You are being very pathetic!



Does it REALLY matter that he has mirrored the walthroughs? You can cry about it saying he has "stolen" them all you want, but it is actually very useful. If one site goes down, you can use the other. Makes sense, no?



It is very useful, and as far as I was concerned, even though I have never used a walkthrough, that the Dink Solutions and Dethlords site were pretty much the same. Now, I have looked at the Dink Solutions, and must say that Dethlords site is more user-friendly, better presented, and overall has a nicer feel.

What the "community doesn't need" is people being big crybabies over copyright and people "stealing" walkthroughs. It does not damage your site, so go away.

 Thats all I gotta say, but your being very unreasonable with the Lord of Deth on this one!
Re: Long Reply
: Beuc, I have never talked to you before and am quite good friends with Dethlord, but putting that aside...You are being very pathetic!



I have always liked contructive comments.

I put lots of arguments, and then all that I get is "you're pathetic". Pretty easy!





: Does it REALLY matter that he has mirrored the walthroughs? You can cry about it saying he has "stolen" them all you want, but it is actually very useful. If one site goes down, you can use the other. Makes sense, no?



The problem is that it is _not_ a mirror but an attempt to replace the old website and easily gain its traffic and contents.



I made a mirror.

I like when people ask before to take something.

I loathe people who ignore what I say.





: It is very useful, and as far as I was concerned, even though I have never used a walkthrough, that the Dink Solutions and Dethlords site were pretty much the same. Now, I have looked at the Dink Solutions, and must say that Dethlords site is more user-friendly, better presented, and overall has a nicer feel.



That is right, the Dink Solutions begins to be an old site a a good lifting would be nice :)





: What the "community doesn't need" is people being big crybabies over copyright and people "stealing" walkthroughs. It does not damage your site, so go away.



You are right, copying a website and then attempt to make people update the new one does not damage the ripped website.

It simply destroys it.





: Thats all I gotta say, but your being very unreasonable with the Lord of Deth on this one!



There is no need to emphasize DethLord nickname - btw, I always wondered: what is Deth?

I don't think I was less reasonable than he was.

Re: Long Reply
O.k then Beuc, lets have a think about it.

: I have always liked contructive comments.

: I put lots of arguments, and then all that I get is "you're pathetic". Pretty easy!

That is because the whole principle of your argument is pathetic, i don't need to go into little details because your whole point is just silly.



: The problem is that it is _not_ a mirror but an attempt to replace the old website and easily gain its traffic and contents.

: I made a mirror.

: I like when people ask before to take something.

: I loathe people who ignore what I say.

The point is it IS NOT an attempt to replace the Solutions. It is an alternative, people can use both and see which they prefer. As for ignoring what you have got to say, nobody has ignored you. They just think your wrong.



: That is right, the Dink Solutions begins to be an old site a a good lifting would be nice :)

Well give it a face-lift and make it as good as Dethlords site if you are so worried about him taking your people away.



: : What the "community doesn't need" is people being big crybabies over copyright and people "stealing" walkthroughs. It does not damage your site, so go away.

: You are right, copying a website and then attempt to make people update the new one does not damage the ripped website.

: It simply destroys it.

No it doesn't! Even if it was a rival (which you seem to see it as), then that competition would cause both webmasters to make their sites better and better, leading to improved sites for the community. As it DOES mirror the solutions, this is fine as long as Dethlord mentions where these walkthroughs came from, which as far as I know, he does.



: : Thats all I gotta say, but your being very unreasonable with the Lord of Deth on this one!

: There is no need to emphasize DethLord nickname - btw, I always wondered: what is Deth?

: I don't think I was less reasonable than he was.

There was no need for you to complain about Dethlord, but you did. And I think you criticising my use of Dethlords name in a different manner is the most petty thing I have ever seen! What is Deth you ask? It's not rocket science you know!! If you can't figure it out then God help you.
Re: Long Reply
*splashes water on Buec, DethLord, and Sabretrout* listen if you boys can get along, I might have to introduce corpral punishment and start kicking some butt. Keep it down, flame each others e-mail, QUIT THIS CRAP I'M SICK OF IT :)



(phew, I finally got that out)





--WC
Re: Long Reply
: *splashes water on WC* then *runs like hell* heheheheeheh.........:)

Re: Long Reply
: *splashes water on Buec, DethLord, and Sabretrout* listen if you boys can get along, I might have to introduce corpral punishment and start kicking some butt. Keep it down, flame each others e-mail, QUIT THIS CRAP I'M SICK OF IT :)

: (phew, I finally got that out)

: --WC

Yuo big bully! Sorry, I DID get carried away, but I was just sticking up for Dethlord, who has done nothing wrong.