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Posted by Christiaan on 12/05/01 - 11:50:18

I got a question:

Is it okay if you give a review for your own games?

I saw WC and Mimifish do a review for their own games (gnug's attack and the other world)

I want to say VERY carefully that I think SOP is SLIGHTLY better than an 5.75, so I'd like to write a review for it. i won't give myself a high grade, maybe something like an 7 or something...

Is this okay? If someone doesn't like me doing it, please say so. I've had more trouble with things like this so I thought it would be smart to ask it nicely first.

Re: Reviews

Posted by redink1 on 12/05/01 - 13:11:59

: I got a question:

: Is it okay if you give a review for your own games?

: I saw WC and Mimifish do a review for their own games (gnug's attack and the other world)

: I want to say VERY carefully that I think SOP is SLIGHTLY better than an 5.75, so I'd like to write a review for it. i won't give myself a high grade, maybe something like an 7 or something...

: Is this okay? If someone doesn't like me doing it, please say so. I've had more trouble with things like this so I thought it would be smart to ask it nicely first.

No real problem with reviewing your own D-Mod... except in the way you are planning on doing it.

If you think Parizaya is SLIGHTLY better than 5.75, then you damn well better grade it SLIGHTLY better than 5.75. It seems you want to give it a 7 to JUST INCREASE THE AVERAGE TO WHERE YOU WANT IT.

Unethical as hell. It would be like thinking that Gnug's Attack deserves a 5.0 grade so you give it a 8.0 so the average is 5.0 (what you think it is). In reality you should give it a 5.0 so the average is 3.75... not what you think it is, but the real average of what people thought of it.

Re: Reviews

Posted by Christiaan on 12/05/01 - 13:56:09

: : I got a question:

: : Is it okay if you give a review for your own games?

: : I saw WC and Mimifish do a review for their own games (gnug's attack and the other world)

: : I want to say VERY carefully that I think SOP is SLIGHTLY better than an 5.75, so I'd like to write a review for it. i won't give myself a high grade, maybe something like an 7 or something...

: : Is this okay? If someone doesn't like me doing it, please say so. I've had more trouble with things like this so I thought it would be smart to ask it nicely first.

: No real problem with reviewing your own D-Mod... except in the way you are planning on doing it.

: If you think Parizaya is SLIGHTLY better than 5.75, then you damn well better grade it SLIGHTLY better than 5.75. It seems you want to give it a 7 to JUST INCREASE THE AVERAGE TO WHERE YOU WANT IT.

: Unethical as hell. It would be like thinking that Gnug's Attack deserves a 5.0 grade so you give it a 8.0 so the average is 5.0 (what you think it is). In reality you should give it a 5.0 so the average is 3.75... not what you think it is, but the real average of what people thought of it.

No I was just trying to say it CAREFULLY. People might think I want Parizaya to be the best D-Mod (which is, ofcourse, completely redicilous ;)) I'll try to say it a bit less careful. I think Parizaya was a nice first try. So I think it deserves an 7 or something. Then the average would become something like a 6. Is this okay??

Re: Reviews

Posted by redink1 on 12/05/01 - 14:12:35

: : : I got a question:

: : : Is it okay if you give a review for your own games?

: : : I saw WC and Mimifish do a review for their own games (gnug's attack and the other world)

: : : I want to say VERY carefully that I think SOP is SLIGHTLY better than an 5.75, so I'd like to write a review for it. i won't give myself a high grade, maybe something like an 7 or something...

: : : Is this okay? If someone doesn't like me doing it, please say so. I've had more trouble with things like this so I thought it would be smart to ask it nicely first.

: : No real problem with reviewing your own D-Mod... except in the way you are planning on doing it.

: : If you think Parizaya is SLIGHTLY better than 5.75, then you damn well better grade it SLIGHTLY better than 5.75. It seems you want to give it a 7 to JUST INCREASE THE AVERAGE TO WHERE YOU WANT IT.

: : Unethical as hell. It would be like thinking that Gnug's Attack deserves a 5.0 grade so you give it a 8.0 so the average is 5.0 (what you think it is). In reality you should give it a 5.0 so the average is 3.75... not what you think it is, but the real average of what people thought of it.

: No I was just trying to say it CAREFULLY. People might think I want Parizaya to be the best D-Mod (which is, ofcourse, completely redicilous ;)) I'll try to say it a bit less careful. I think Parizaya was a nice first try. So I think it deserves an 7 or something. Then the average would become something like a 6. Is this okay??

I suppose so, sorry for getting a little pi$$ed. But be sure to tell why it deserves a 7.

You seem to be quite harsh on your reviews (stating that Isle of Croth and Quest for Cheese are some of the best D-Mods ever, but only giving them 8 and 8.7 respectively). Comparitively, Mimifish gave them 9.2 and 9.0, whereas Parizaya got a 5.0 from him.

So I expect some pretty convincing arguments on why you're going to give Parizaya a 7 (especially because you're the author and all).

Re: Reviews

Posted by Christiaan on 12/05/01 - 16:00:22

: : : : I got a question:

: : : : Is it okay if you give a review for your own games?

: : : : I saw WC and Mimifish do a review for their own games (gnug's attack and the other world)

: : : : I want to say VERY carefully that I think SOP is SLIGHTLY better than an 5.75, so I'd like to write a review for it. i won't give myself a high grade, maybe something like an 7 or something...

: : : : Is this okay? If someone doesn't like me doing it, please say so. I've had more trouble with things like this so I thought it would be smart to ask it nicely first.

: : : No real problem with reviewing your own D-Mod... except in the way you are planning on doing it.

: : : If you think Parizaya is SLIGHTLY better than 5.75, then you damn well better grade it SLIGHTLY better than 5.75. It seems you want to give it a 7 to JUST INCREASE THE AVERAGE TO WHERE YOU WANT IT.

: : : Unethical as hell. It would be like thinking that Gnug's Attack deserves a 5.0 grade so you give it a 8.0 so the average is 5.0 (what you think it is). In reality you should give it a 5.0 so the average is 3.75... not what you think it is, but the real average of what people thought of it.

: : No I was just trying to say it CAREFULLY. People might think I want Parizaya to be the best D-Mod (which is, ofcourse, completely redicilous ;)) I'll try to say it a bit less careful. I think Parizaya was a nice first try. So I think it deserves an 7 or something. Then the average would become something like a 6. Is this okay??

: I suppose so, sorry for getting a little pi$$ed. But be sure to tell why it deserves a 7.

: You seem to be quite harsh on your reviews (stating that Isle of Croth and Quest for Cheese are some of the best D-Mods ever, but only giving them 8 and 8.7 respectively). Comparitively, Mimifish gave them 9.2 and 9.0, whereas Parizaya got a 5.0 from him.

: So I expect some pretty convincing arguments on why you're going to give Parizaya a 7 (especially because you're the author and all).

I hope my review for SOP is good enough.

BTW I know I gave IOC a too low grade, it has been changed, just like Gems of Life. I hope everyone is satisfied now :)

Re: Reviews

Posted by Jveenhof on 12/05/01 - 15:06:47

Dont take this wrong Christiaan but youre revieuws are kinda bad. Lets look at this one you did(on 9gems of life 1, yeah 1 of mine)

Nice D-Mod, but could've been a lot better

GRAPHICS 7,6: A NEW DINK! Looks real neat. Nice details, but sometimes you see tiles not connecting.

SOUND 7: Very descent, though nothing special.

GAMEPLAY 6,5: The gems collecting is fun, but I HATE it when I complete a game without completing the storyline, (so there will be a part 2 for sure).

LASTING APPEAL 6: Kinda short, not many secrets.

TOTAL: 6.7

This review sucks..it looks like you didn't even play the game...there are a lot of secrets for example..even a entire menu systym for it...en there is part 2...

en the total number is wrong to... 6 + 6.5 + 7 + 7.6=6.775 which should make it a 6.7...and besides that...compared to the old grade of the Network its really low..

so please please please take a better look at DMODS you review ok?

Re: Reviews

Posted by mimifish on 12/05/01 - 15:39:07

Hmmm, it's been quite a while since I posted last time.

Sorry, Christiaan, for giving SOP only a 5. But I think that's the whole idea about reviewed by fellow dinkers. If anyone disagrees, he or she can submit his/her own review. You are entitled to give my trailer a 1 or whatever you want. But be sure you do see and play thru the dmod you gave or will give a review.

If you submit a lot of reviews, then others will know if your words are consistant or not. I don't know if I can get a good reputation or not, but I'm going to try my best.

I did have some hard time to try to give reviews to the dmods I played long time ago. (Not as long as redink1 first played POA(beta). :p But I do try to establish my own standard for all dmods.

For me, a standard for a demo is definitely different from an epic huge dmod.

As a side note, I played too much FQ games and hardly spent any time in developing my dmod. So it is going to be very hard to release Dink Vacation before the end of this year.

Re: Reviews

Posted by Christiaan on 12/05/01 - 15:58:47

: Hmmm, it's been quite a while since I posted last time.

: Sorry, Christiaan, for giving SOP only a 5. But I think that's the whole idea about reviewed by fellow dinkers. If anyone disagrees, he or she can submit his/her own review. You are entitled to give my trailer a 1 or whatever you want. But be sure you do see and play thru the dmod you gave or will give a review.

: If you submit a lot of reviews, then others will know if your words are consistant or not. I don't know if I can get a good reputation or not, but I'm going to try my best.

: I did have some hard time to try to give reviews to the dmods I played long time ago. (Not as long as redink1 first played POA(beta). :p But I do try to establish my own standard for all dmods.

: For me, a standard for a demo is definitely different from an epic huge dmod.

: As a side note, I played too much FQ games and hardly spent any time in developing my dmod. So it is going to be very hard to release Dink Vacation before the end of this year.

I'm not blaming you for anything. If you give SOP an 5, than that's your opinion, no-one can argue with that. I'm not going to give your mod a 1. I never give 1's BTW. Only 2-9. well, maybe a 9,5 but not higher i think.

And i only review games i played and finished.

Keep on dinking and reviewing everybody!

:)

Re: Reviews

Posted by Tal on 12/05/01 - 16:14:14

: I'm not blaming you for anything. If you give SOP an 5, than that's your opinion, no-one can argue with that. I'm not going to give your mod a 1. I never give 1's BTW. Only 2-9. well, maybe a 9,5 but not higher i think.

: And i only review games i played and finished.

: Keep on dinking and reviewing everybody!

: :)

So if I release the absolute worst d-mod ever, you're gonna think it deserves a zero, but since your scale is 2-9.5 you're going to give me at least a 2? And if I release what you think is the best d-mod ever then I can only get a 9.5 at max from you?

Your system is a bit screwy my friend. I think 0.1-10 should be used by all reviewers.

Re: Reviews

Posted by redink1 on 12/05/01 - 16:43:02

: Your system is a bit screwy my friend. I think 0.1-10 should be used by all reviewers.

Or... 0.0 - 9.9 :) You can't rank somethings as 10 at The Dink Network.

But Christiaan's imposed idea of 2-9 is stupid, to say the least. Whatever options you are given should be the limits. If you think a D-Mod is the best it ever could be, it should get a 9.9. Otherwise it throws the whole system out of whack.

Re: Reviews

Posted by Jveenhof on 12/06/01 - 06:41:04

Hey Redink1 if you want you still have the interviews..it seems that handy to use with the new review systeem.

Re: Reviews

Posted by Kyle on 12/06/01 - 12:01:10

: Hey Redink1 if you want you still have the interviews..it seems that handy to use with the new review systeem.

It seems everyone is agitated by the reviews they get. First of all you shouldn't be able to give a d-mod a 0.0 because the auther did manage to create one, so he should at least get a 0.1 for trying. And giving something a 9.9 when you can't get any higher is very dangerous as well, because if the d-mod you rated 9.9 is for example the first d-mod you played after a really sucky d-mod then you'll think it's superb! But... What if you play another one the next week and decide it's even better? Sure, you can change the score but that doesn't take away that others have already read your opinion and are therefore misguided. Ok, I'm rabling on, probably because it's been a while since I posted anything. Just one more thing I'd like to point out. I think you should at least write 5-6 lines about the d-mod and what it's about and such before you start grading different elements. I always try to write a review like a real reviewer does. That includes a large portion of text and the final grades for those who want a quick look at what's good and what's not. I do this because I might think a d-mod sucks because I don't like a certain feature (or it doesn't like me...) but to others that feature may seem like the most original feature EVER. So you should mention such things in a small text.

I hope I've persuaded some to change their way of reviewing. I can't honestly say I've read a lot of reviews yet, but when I looked at Christiaan's review of 9 Gems I must agree with JVeenhof when he says it seems like he's never played it (not because of the rating but because of the lack of explanation).

Aw, my fingers hurt, I'm going to stop typing now!

Re: Reviews

Posted by redink1 on 12/06/01 - 12:09:54

: : Hey Redink1 if you want you still have the interviews..it seems that handy to use with the new review systeem.

: It seems everyone is agitated by the reviews they get. First of all you shouldn't be able to give a d-mod a 0.0 because the auther did manage to create one, so he should at least get a 0.1 for trying. And giving something a 9.9 when you can't get any higher is very dangerous as well, because if the d-mod you rated 9.9 is for example the first d-mod you played after a really sucky d-mod then you'll think it's superb! But... What if you play another one the next week and decide it's even better? Sure, you can change the score but that doesn't take away that others have already read your opinion and are therefore misguided. Ok, I'm rabling on, probably because it's been a while since I posted anything. Just one more thing I'd like to point out. I think you should at least write 5-6 lines about the d-mod and what it's about and such before you start grading different elements. I always try to write a review like a real reviewer does. That includes a large portion of text and the final grades for those who want a quick look at what's good and what's not. I do this because I might think a d-mod sucks because I don't like a certain feature (or it doesn't like me...) but to others that feature may seem like the most original feature EVER. So you should mention such things in a small text.

: I hope I've persuaded some to change their way of reviewing. I can't honestly say I've read a lot of reviews yet, but when I looked at Christiaan's review of 9 Gems I must agree with JVeenhof when he says it seems like he's never played it (not because of the rating but because of the lack of explanation).

: Aw, my fingers hurt, I'm going to stop typing now!

Eh... at least one of the reviews should have the 5-6 lines of information about the D-Mod (but really this should be covered by the description, if D-Mod authors actually put fricken descriptions with their D-Mods).

When are you going to submit your reviews? :)

Re: Reviews

Posted by Kyle on 12/06/01 - 14:05:18

: : : Hey Redink1 if you want you still have the interviews..it seems that handy to use with the new review systeem.

: : It seems everyone is agitated by the reviews they get. First of all you shouldn't be able to give a d-mod a 0.0 because the auther did manage to create one, so he should at least get a 0.1 for trying. And giving something a 9.9 when you can't get any higher is very dangerous as well, because if the d-mod you rated 9.9 is for example the first d-mod you played after a really sucky d-mod then you'll think it's superb! But... What if you play another one the next week and decide it's even better? Sure, you can change the score but that doesn't take away that others have already read your opinion and are therefore misguided. Ok, I'm rabling on, probably because it's been a while since I posted anything. Just one more thing I'd like to point out. I think you should at least write 5-6 lines about the d-mod and what it's about and such before you start grading different elements. I always try to write a review like a real reviewer does. That includes a large portion of text and the final grades for those who want a quick look at what's good and what's not. I do this because I might think a d-mod sucks because I don't like a certain feature (or it doesn't like me...) but to others that feature may seem like the most original feature EVER. So you should mention such things in a small text.

: : I hope I've persuaded some to change their way of reviewing. I can't honestly say I've read a lot of reviews yet, but when I looked at Christiaan's review of 9 Gems I must agree with JVeenhof when he says it seems like he's never played it (not because of the rating but because of the lack of explanation).

: : Aw, my fingers hurt, I'm going to stop typing now!

: Eh... at least one of the reviews should have the 5-6 lines of information about the D-Mod (but really this should be covered by the description, if D-Mod authors actually put fricken descriptions with their D-Mods).

: When are you going to submit your reviews? :)

It seems you don't check everything out a lot :P I have posted my reviews of Revenge of the Duck 1 & 2 already and Legend of the Duck, SoB and Zink will follow when I've corrected them and adjusted them a little.

Re: Reviews

Posted by Christiaan on 12/06/01 - 12:30:22

: : : Hey Redink1 if you want you still have the interviews..it seems that handy to use with the new review systeem.

: : It seems everyone is agitated by the reviews they get. First of all you shouldn't be able to give a d-mod a 0.0 because the auther did manage to create one, so he should at least get a 0.1 for trying. And giving something a 9.9 when you can't get any higher is very dangerous as well, because if the d-mod you rated 9.9 is for example the first d-mod you played after a really sucky d-mod then you'll think it's superb! But... What if you play another one the next week and decide it's even better? Sure, you can change the score but that doesn't take away that others have already read your opinion and are therefore misguided. Ok, I'm rabling on, probably because it's been a while since I posted anything. Just one more thing I'd like to point out. I think you should at least write 5-6 lines about the d-mod and what it's about and such before you start grading different elements. I always try to write a review like a real reviewer does. That includes a large portion of text and the final grades for those who want a quick look at what's good and what's not. I do this because I might think a d-mod sucks because I don't like a certain feature (or it doesn't like me...) but to others that feature may seem like the most original feature EVER. So you should mention such things in a small text.

: : I hope I've persuaded some to change their way of reviewing. I can't honestly say I've read a lot of reviews yet, but when I looked at Christiaan's review of 9 Gems I must agree with JVeenhof when he says it seems like he's never played it (not because of the rating but because of the lack of explanation).

: : Aw, my fingers hurt, I'm going to stop typing now!

: Eh... at least one of the reviews should have the 5-6 lines of information about the D-Mod (but really this should be covered by the description, if D-Mod authors actually put fricken descriptions with their D-Mods).

: When are you going to submit your reviews? :)

I don't think you can say it's DUMB to give grades from 2 - 9.5

Okay, maybe I'll give SOB (as soon as i finish it) an 9,7 or 9,8. But I think a 10 is NOT possible. and an 0.1 is ridiculous. Can you get 0.1's at school? I don't think so. Maybe, if a game is REALLY bad, it'll get an 1.1 but I don't think that's gonna happen (at least I don't hope so ;))

I think I made my point clear when I gave an 2 for Doomsday. Wheter you give a 1 or a 2, it sucks.

I'll keep my review system... HAH! :P

Re: Reviews

Posted by Tal on 12/07/01 - 16:39:50

: I'll keep my review system... HAH! :P

If you insist...nuthatch :P

Re: Reviews

Posted by MiloBones on 12/07/01 - 16:51:07

Christian... you can keep your review system, but remember that people don't like making relative judgments.

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